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November 10, 2008 12:01:49 AM

i am building a gameing system in a couple of weeks and was planning on going with an e8500 cpu, now i an not sure. i understand current games are not using quad core, which is why i chose the e8500, then i read that fsx would run better with quad core, now im confused. thats not the only game i play, i play alot of 1st person shooter. would i be able to play fsx smoothly on high settings with the duel core? if not would 1st person shooter games play smoothly with a quad core? hate to spend the xtra $ on a quad core if i dont need it. heres a list of everything else i have in mind so far hopefully this helps in answering my ? also reusing a 22 '' westinghouse moniter
also should i go with vista home premium 64bit instead of ultimate and save $80.00

GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 813128336.
Model #:GA-X48-DS4
Item #:N82E16813128336
Return Policy:Limited 30-Day Return Policy
In Stock
$224.99


SAPPHIRE 100257L Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 814102797.
Model #:100257L
Item #:N82E16814102797
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
In Stock
Mail-in Rebate
$264.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8500 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115036
Model #:BX80570E8500
Item #:N82E16819115036
Return Policyrocessors (CPUs) Return Policy
In Stock
$189.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136218
Model #:WD6400AAKS
Item #:N82E16822136218
Return Policy:Limited 30-Day Return Policy
In Stock
$74.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005
Model #:CMPSU-650TX
Item #:N82E16817139005
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
In Stock
Mail-in Rebate

$159.99

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119137
Model #:RC-690-KKN1-GP
Item #:N82E16811119137
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
In Stock
$89.99

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820146731
Item=N82E16820146731
$67.99 -$20.00

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116493
Model #:66R-02034
Item #:N82E16832116493
Return Policy:Software Return Policy
In Stock
$179.99


XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233019
Model #:ACK-I7751
Item #:N82E16835233019
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
In Stock
$6.99

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835186020
Model #:MX-2R
Item #:N82E16835186020
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
In Stock
$6.99

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233003
Model #:HDT-S1283
Item #:N82E16835233003
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
In Stock
$36.99

More about : duel core quad core

November 10, 2008 12:11:18 AM

you are going to see more and more games that use multiple cores better.
November 10, 2008 12:16:19 AM

any suggestons on a quad, if i can save $80.00 on ops i can put towards cpu
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November 10, 2008 12:22:35 AM

You should get home premium yes, as a start.

Then there's another thing. Your GPU selection is great for 22" monitor, but you picked a motherboard that is more expensive because it supports crossfire properly. But if you don't plan to add a second GPU in the future, then you should use a P45 chipset motherboard instead of X48, such as the Asus P5Q Pro, it has no difference in single GPUs. On the other hand, if you do plan to use a second GPU in the future for crossfire, then you should consider upgrading your PSU to the 750W from Corsair, so you have enough power for two GPUs so you don't have to replace your current PSU when you buy the second card. Although I can't think of any games that wouldn't play great with maxed out settings using a single HD4870 right now at your resolution.

My choice would be to replace the motherboard with the (much cheaper) Asus P5Q Pro, stick to one GPU, use a 550W Power Supply (Antec and Corsair PSUs are the same, they are all made by Seasonic, and Antec is usually cheaper, also PC Power & Cooling makes equally great PSUs), use Vista home premium instead and use some of the money saved to upgrade to a Q9550, and you will probably even have money left.
November 10, 2008 12:33:29 AM

are there any benefits to cross fire 'ie' a noticable difference in gaming
November 10, 2008 12:33:38 AM

put any left over cash toward a 1 gig version of the 4870. If 512 is enough for ya, save even more and get a 4850 instead.

As far I understand it. the only thing the average user would get out of ultimate vs. premium is moving backgrounds. correct me if I'm wrong here.

ps, save another $10 by doing a combo deal with the OS
November 10, 2008 12:35:52 AM

you probably wont get enough out of crossfire at 22" to make it worth while. most people suggest crossfire/SLI above 22"
November 10, 2008 12:37:43 AM

Crossfire and SLI do not scale very well, so adding a second GPU will not give you double performance, mostly around 30% more, although it does cost twice as much (and even more considering you need a more expensive motherboard and a more powerful PSU for it).

If you think you might upgrade to a 24" monitor in the future (1920x1200 resolution) then Crossfire might give you some worthwhile benefits, otherwise if you stick to your current 22" (1680x1050 resolution) then you will be well above 50 fps even in the most demanding games and too much fps to notice a difference in all other ones.
November 10, 2008 12:41:04 AM

is the asus p5q pro a quality motherboard i havent read any reviews so i dont know, also is it a good board to upgrade for the future?
November 10, 2008 12:43:27 AM

thanks for the advice, you guys are really helping out this is my 1st build
November 10, 2008 12:43:47 AM

It's pretty much the best motherboard for single GPU configurations.
Just as your X48 choice, it will be perfect as long as GPUs are PCIe 2.0 (for a long time) and you use a socket 775 CPU (anything except the new i7) and DDR2 RAM (which, again will be the best choice until forced into DDR3 for i7). They are compatible with the same exact hardware, except X48 supports Crossfire x16 while the P5Q Pro supports Crossfire x8.
November 10, 2008 12:47:48 AM

icyicy,, i will be staying with 22'' moniter, do you suggest duel or quad cpu?
November 10, 2008 12:50:49 AM

Depends on how much you want to spend.
I'd say either an E8500 (dual) or Q9550 (quad), the quad is better but is also more expensive.
There is also the Q6600 at the same price as the E8500 and it performs almost the same, but the E8500 will be better for games.
November 10, 2008 12:55:42 AM

so the e8500 should run fsx on high settings smoothly, the game calls for 3.16ghz cpu as the best for the game and i will probably try to overclock when i get more comfortable this computer stuff
November 10, 2008 1:07:11 AM

well also consider an e8400 and oc it. But I would get a cheap dual core an oc it and then later get a quad once i7 comes out because prices I assume will fall dramtically around christmas. But if you wait get the quad.
November 10, 2008 1:50:53 AM

FSX is well suited for multicore CPUs, if this game is one of your main ones.. seriously consider purchasing a quadcore.
November 10, 2008 2:39:33 AM

I think you should worry more about spelling than cores and computer games.
November 10, 2008 4:02:11 AM

maybe he wants it optimised for fighting games.
November 10, 2008 8:14:13 AM

Regardless of if a quad core will improve performance over a dual core in games; spending the cash difference towards the gpu instead will always give you better performance gain(this could change in the future). Correct me if I'm wrong. However, due to the fact that you're only going to be playing at 1280x1024, go with the quad core. With the release of the i7 recently, s775 cpus will cease to be produced(so if you want an upgrade you'll have to get a new mobo cpu and ram). The i7 is also going to push the market towards multi-core utilizing programs(and games) so investing in a quad core now will pay off in the future.
November 10, 2008 1:51:34 PM

Same price CPUs tend to perform around the same, yes.
So an E8xxx performs around the same as the Q6600 on stock, and the quad tends to gain more advantage of overclocking, but they are still around the same with no noticeable difference.
The thing is, if you need an even better CPU, that's as far as duals go, so you are looking for a quad after that. The E8600 hardly counts since it offers next to no performance increase other than a larger multiplier for overclocking.
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