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Please help. New pc. Same price. Better deal? Gateway vs iBuyPower

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February 5, 2009 8:23:35 PM


I am not in a hurry to buy a computer, but I've been looking at both of these:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

They're both $699, but I don't know enough about all the technical details to know which is better.

basic comparison:
640gb space vs 500gb space
GeForce 9800GT vs GeForce 9600GT
Athlon X2 6000+ Dual core vs Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
4gb ram vs 4gb ram
vista Home Premium 64bit for both (I've never used 64 bit before... :'(  )

and more features at the source, like Tv tuner, and various things I'm not too sure about.

I would like to use the computer for graphic stuff, like Photoshop and 3d programs, as well as being able to do everyday things like surfing the web and watching videos, playing the occasional game, etc.

Which do you recommend and why?

Are they good deals (especially for what I need with a limited budget of $700 or less)? Do you know of better deals?
Thanks! :) 
February 5, 2009 11:30:41 PM

it looks pretty good but - on the surface:
but......

q9300 is crap chip way better with a q6600

find a small builder, local, and buy a good system - its really not bad, you could due better with a faster dual core then slow quad

choose the amd
February 5, 2009 11:38:53 PM

The Gateway refurb has a MUCH faster CPU and a significantly faster graphics card. However, it probably has a short warranty as a refurb, and Gateway does not have the best quality reputation (and may be bankrupt soon). The other is a no-name brand, so who knows if its quality and backing is any better.
Of course, you'll save money by building your own computer, but for a "store-bought" computer these are probably OK deals. Just realize that quality and warranty support will likely be lacking with these specific choices. You might want to check out Best Buy or see what closeout deals Circuit City is offering.

February 5, 2009 11:40:22 PM

ds - check out the apps the OP is planning on using; you might change your recommendation.
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February 6, 2009 3:47:23 AM

Do not listen to dragonsprayer. All he ever does is go on and on about his systems. And he says the idiototic crap like the q6600 is better than the q9300 in this instance. And also says the AMD X26000 dual core is the better choice over a q9300 system for the exact same price. Bunch of nonsense.
February 6, 2009 4:15:18 AM

someguy - i guess xbit is stupid too?

xbit show as i have preached for years that the q6600 at 3.6ghzis the optimal c2d cpu.

xbit shows the q6600 beating the new phenom II -- this does not factor in many things, such as multitasking where the q6600 is even stronger but it does show how little you you know (ya ok amd how right have been over the last 1.5 years)

xbit says:
"For instance, the similarly priced Core 2 Quad Q6600 can hit much higher frequencies than Core 2 Quad Q8300, even though it belongs to the previous generation. So this processor can be on average faster than Phenom II X4 920 working at a higher frequency, too."

read it here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-ii-...

it sucks being right all the time you get no friends!
February 6, 2009 4:21:39 AM

o ya - the dragon stated in aug of 2007 that q6600 was the new 4.1ghz

what that ment was the q6600 was the optimal cpu, i do not expalin eveything since i make living selling the best computes on the planet - do not email me here i do not sell to THG.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244351-28-61ghz-1ghz

quote from dragonsprayer aug 10 2007 (few days after the q6600 go is released):

"My point is the new speed 3.61ghz - the systems run super fast and are super responsive. " <ok fine that is me quoting me!


"as far as amd goes - i can only hope that one of their "real quad cores" will run 3.6ghz????? " < yes it took almost 2 years for amd to reach this point and there lack of cache can still not match intel - as predicted by me all most 2 years ago

as i said in aug of 2007:

"AMD has their work cut out!"

its 2009 and i was dead on!

xbit 2009 as predicted in 2007





February 6, 2009 4:31:51 AM

to get a q9300 to 3.6ghz is very very hard - you can only do it on a few mobos

to get a q6600 to 3.6ghz is very very easy - you can do it almost any low-mid level p35/p45 mobo

again as predicted in 2007


i should have posted i7 already but ...... lets face it eveyone can oc now a days.

Remember to tune your system to its optimal setting, an i7 3.8ghz system has no match just as the q6600 go in aug of 2007! (look for me to quote this in 2011)

have fun!
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February 6, 2009 4:50:56 AM

Yeah, Cause we all know about those great overclocking GATEWAY systems. How about you actually stick to the machines the OP posted for once?

What was that? Did you even look at the links of the systems the OP posted? Or did you just what you always do. Look at the specs and just come in say get a q6600 and overlcock it to 4ghz.

The OP is looking at prebuilt systems. The OP doesnt know much about computers. And like always you come and toss around all your stupid crap.

Nobody cares what you have said.

It proves your ingorance to go on and link to xbit articale. Again with the overclocking. WHICH DOESNT APPLY TO THE OP. The OP is also looking a system with a q9300 not the q8300. Same GHZ but with 6mb of cache instead of 4.

I dont even need to say anything. You already shown your ingorance 3 times in this thread alone.

The only reason not to go the gateway route is the reason Mondoman said. Other than that there is no reason what so ever anybody should pick the AMD system. And yet you say pick the AMD system and that the q9300 is crap, better off with Q6600 when the op is looking at a gateway that doesnt overclock.

You're a tool/troll. Have a nice day
February 6, 2009 5:01:00 AM

your better off with a q6600 oc system(custom build find a local builder), for $700 - tiger price is very cheap

if you have to choose between a q9300 and amd 6000 at stock - the amd system will work better with a low to mid level gpu as is in that system

not sure what a troll is but i have no bridge? (i have seen that - it seems to be a european thing?) <i guess i could google it?

get the amd - for stock system
February 6, 2009 5:55:43 AM

ds, sg was unnecessarily confrontational, but was basically right. The systems you have suggested are not appropriate for the OP's stated uses. Please read the OP's post next time.
February 6, 2009 6:16:40 AM

apps change

opps -- your right me wrong!

i did read it but i did mis it

3d apps quad is the only way to got == sorry nobodies perfect!

does that make me a troll? or a tool?


i repsond to these posts while i am working late at night so - hey i am human! i am not big blue! i am big r!
February 6, 2009 6:23:14 AM

Dragon < hides in cave until tomorrow and i am going to find a fat maiden for snacks! seriously for 3d apps and photo shop the quad is the way to go!

fuk .... messed up again! heck not as bad as too small a psu in $10k system and smoke comes out!

Mondoman said:
ds, sg was unnecessarily confrontational, but was basically right. The systems you have suggested are not appropriate for the OP's stated uses. Please read the OP's post next time.



my bad! someguy7 bend over so i can kiss your tush\



but then again...... here we go..... you do need memory to support those apps - 4gb mins! ok of to the cave to lick my wounds...................ouch!
February 6, 2009 6:47:01 AM

hey thank you dude!
i admit being worng and i you say we all right in a way!

wow! you made my day UNI!

uni your my man!

ps: keep in mind any THG person wether sent here by me or not, i will give free tech support through pm~! I DO NOT SELL SYSTEMS THOUGH THIS SITE DO NOT ASK! please!
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February 6, 2009 4:39:59 PM

I'll leave this alone. But even without the OP doing 3d work the Quad would still the way to go.
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