CHARLIE EXPOSES MORE NVIDIA LIES!!!!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] nvidia-bad

Have i beaten rangers et al to posting this article?

Anyway, charlie from the inq. supposedly has evidence that nvida are lying scum.

Have a read, serious responses only :lol:

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Have a read, serious responses only :lol:

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It was actually a semi-interesting read. The OP just does a lousy job of convincing people to actually bother with it.

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I dunno, I clicked expecting a good laugh, but instead got like 20 pages of text (and pictures!). The post did get me to skim it, though.

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It was then secreted to a small lab of mad scientists who do not wish to be named, fearing repercussions from Nvidia and Apple.

LOL Give me a break...

As if they had to purchase the laptop, and then secretly transport it to some hidden laboratory to protect themselves from nVidia thugs or Federal Agents...

It's odd to me they don't volunteer any photos of the laptop, its packaging, the serial number on the unit, etc. You know, stuff to help support their claims that they tested a brand new retail product and found these problems.

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charlie from the inq... supposedly... lying scum

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jerreece wrote :

It's odd to me they don't volunteer any photos of the laptop, its packaging, the serial number on the unit, etc. You know, stuff to help support their claims that they tested a brand new retail product and found these problems.

Past experience on this specific issue leads me to put my trust balance 60% in the InQ and 40% in nV, as for posting pics, they did of the chips in question (which have identifiers on them for batches so nV themselves can confirm/deny, posting a serial number just tells them specifically what person bought it, not anything particularly more helpful to nV or Apple, but definitely giving away the InQ methedology only to those who would want to confound future attempts.

I agree with getting pictures of the unit (although it wouldn't change much), but a serial # is as pointless as if I made one up for you or took a picture of one @ Best Buy. The fact that they went inside and opened it up matters more.

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

Whew! Good thing I don't have (nor ever had) any intentions of getting a Macbook Pro!

Reply to DXRick

Does nVidia REALLY know exactly which of their chips are going into a given model? Apple probably buys 100,000 chips, and puts them in many different models. Why did Charlie ask nVidia? They wouldn't be in the know as to which ones go where.

Disclaimer - I do not own a Mac, and I am not familiar with their product lines. Obviously if these 'problem' chips are the first Mac's to use them, then I am incorrect in my analysis.

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Reply to cyberjock

Looks like nVidia may get really way bumped out over this heheh. So, is Charlie on a mission? or did nVidia do the pooch? Not looking good for nVidia tho

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Reply to jaydeejohn

Cyberjock, well supposedly Apple gets to hand pick them (the batch or min quality requirements), just like their relationship with intel, and they get first and selected crack (no pun intended) at the chips. So it's not unreasonable to think that nV knows which batch they are sending to Apple. And while the number is likely higher than the one you're thinking (I'd say about 500-700+K per year for nV GPUs, and now likely over a million since they're in even the 13" Macbook as standard).

It's tough for them to be hand inspected thoroughly, but they're definitely getting the pick of the litter, so it's not like a generic OEM or something.

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and Charlie is paid by ATI ? LOL

Reply to kenzz0

TheGreatGrapeApe wrote :

Past experience on this specific issue leads me to put my trust balance 60% in the InQ and 40% in nV, as for posting pics, they did of the chips in question (which have identifiers on them for batches so nV themselves can confirm/deny, posting a serial number just tells them specifically what person bought it, not anything particularly more helpful to nV or Apple, but definitely giving away the InQ methedology only to those who would want to confound future attempts.

I agree with getting pictures of the unit (although it wouldn't change much), but a serial # is as pointless as if I made one up for you or took a picture of one @ Best Buy. The fact that they went inside and opened it up matters more.

At the same time, for quality control purposes (which is the heart of this issue I know) any big manufacturer like this has to track their parts as closely as possible. Tracking batches, who they go to, what they are in, makes a big difference down the road.

Otherwise they have no way to go back and determine where the problem was.

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You know, this troll posting is quite fun, you get to use all caps, post a link with a little text and then sit back and not even have to join in.

Still, i would like to see nvidia wriggle out of this one.

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http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] nvidia-bad

Have i beaten rangers et al to posting this article?

Anyway, charlie from the inq. supposedly has evidence that nvida are lying scum.

Have a read, serious responses only :lol:

I could have got there b4 u, but I didn't want anyone to think i was anti nvidia (sarcasm)

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jerreece wrote :

At the same time, for quality control purposes (which is the heart of this issue I know) any big manufacturer like this has to track their parts as closely as possible. Tracking batches, who they go to, what they are in, makes a big difference down the road.

Otherwise they have no way to go back and determine where the problem was.

Oh, they can definitely track the batch within reason, that's what the markings on the die are for, and why I mentioned them.

First the model of course, and then usually a calendar reading (month, week, etc) they were made and then the silicon version they are using. They may add a few things in between. But getting information on a specific wafer in the future, just doesn't happen.

Even to have the final product or serial number wouldn't be more specific for this investigation, just nice for end users (to know if there's one to avoid, and unless we know there are unaffected models you couldn't do even that). You might get a bunch that were week 32 and another batch that were week 36, not that Apple would even care or take note as they went from serial #XX...X07 to XX...X08 , to them it would simply be another GPU socket being loaded into the device that mounts them. Sure that means you don't know precisely which laptops are affected by a part issue for its various parts, but you probably know +/- a few hundred, which is usually good enough to warn people or perform recalls. But in the end, no matter what you do, you have to go back and determine where the problem is, and really it's easier to figure out the problem with a batch of a specific component than with an entire laptop range (which could be the chip, the mobo, the power unit, a bad batch of caps, etc.) via serial #. Serial range would help you determine if this was a model that had a GF9400 or GF9600, but wouldn't be as useful to tell if it's B2 or C1 of the chip.

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

Very nice article. There was obviously a lot of work and research put into it before blabbering a bunch of opinion(s).

Reply to shawnpaul3

yes Charlie can outshine them all with his hate motivated articles. its laughable he is perceived as any kind of source of relevance or integrity. i prefer Thunderman's posts myself. at least they hold entertainment value.

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