4850x2 or GTX 280
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I wouldn't recommend the 4850 X2 over the 280 GTX, because the cost doesn't justify the gains, and not only that, but it dishes out the 280 GTX in only SOME games, by very little, while maintaining a lower frame rate.
Your better off shooting for 4870 X2 in my opinion.
My statement stands, as long as the 4850 X2 isn't around 350$ and the 280 GTX 400$. In canada the 4850 X2 is 100$ more exp than the 280 GTX.
Your better off shooting for 4870 X2 in my opinion.
My statement stands, as long as the 4850 X2 isn't around 350$ and the 280 GTX 400$. In canada the 4850 X2 is 100$ more exp than the 280 GTX.
Hey L1qu1d!
I was thinking of either getting a 4850x2, 4870, or 4870x2 but now the GTX285 entered my head. I was thinking of getting a 285 and buying another to go SLI for my i7 build. I want this build to last me a while which is why Im doing a total revamp now.
I was thinking of either getting a 4850x2, 4870, or 4870x2 but now the GTX285 entered my head. I was thinking of getting a 285 and buying another to go SLI for my i7 build. I want this build to last me a while which is why Im doing a total revamp now.
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well we can't predict the gaming market. BUt it should last you a long time.
Out of all of those choices the 4870 X2 is the best bang for the buck. Though Drivers lately haven't reflect ATi's dedication to stable drivers. 9.2 actually lowered frames.
Personally I feel safer running 1 strong GPU than 2 weaker ones. Especially since some games don't scale the way they should, others don't scale at all.
Quad fire and sli are something I avoid ever since my quad 9800 GX2 setup, which lowered my frames in general.
4850 X2 is made only by sapphire, so really I wouldn't touch it personally because drivers wil prob be hard to come across. Especially in quad fire. I would feel safer with quad 4870 X2, than quad 4850 X2.
what resolution do you play at?
I've see 285s for 300-350$, and 4870s 1 gigs as low as 200$. So really you have a lot of good choices
Out of all of those choices the 4870 X2 is the best bang for the buck. Though Drivers lately haven't reflect ATi's dedication to stable drivers. 9.2 actually lowered frames.
Personally I feel safer running 1 strong GPU than 2 weaker ones. Especially since some games don't scale the way they should, others don't scale at all.
Quad fire and sli are something I avoid ever since my quad 9800 GX2 setup, which lowered my frames in general.
4850 X2 is made only by sapphire, so really I wouldn't touch it personally because drivers wil prob be hard to come across. Especially in quad fire. I would feel safer with quad 4870 X2, than quad 4850 X2.
what resolution do you play at?
I've see 285s for 300-350$, and 4870s 1 gigs as low as 200$. So really you have a lot of good choices
Im probably going to go with a 24" LCD monitor. I saw a nice LG 24" LCD monitor that got high ratings.
I was at first looking at the x2's but then yeah, I heard of the scaling issues. I hear the 285 is easy to overclock; I was looking at the SSC or FTW edition. I am more inclined to O/C the i7 than the video card. This is why I am probably going to get the EVGA mobo because of its ease at O/Cing.
I plan to get Sims3 and Jumpgate Evolution but I can't predict what's coming out in the future that I might like. I play City of Heroes but I might jump to the "updated CoH which is not crossing my mind...DC something. Plus, I have FSX
I was at first looking at the x2's but then yeah, I heard of the scaling issues. I hear the 285 is easy to overclock; I was looking at the SSC or FTW edition. I am more inclined to O/C the i7 than the video card. This is why I am probably going to get the EVGA mobo because of its ease at O/Cing.
I plan to get Sims3 and Jumpgate Evolution but I can't predict what's coming out in the future that I might like. I play City of Heroes but I might jump to the "updated CoH which is not crossing my mind...DC something. Plus, I have FSX
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thats wrong, seeing as Crysis itself scales with mostly 3 Video cards from what I read.
Crysis Warhead doesn't scale as well for some reason, might be general CPU bottleneck. But 2 cards will help for either game thats for sure.
I went from from 50 to 80 with a 2nd card....(just an idea, those aren't actually the numbers, but I can't remember
, but the idea is the same).
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4850 X2 performs worse than 2 4850s, and the 4850 X2 exchanges blows with the 285 GTX, which is around the same price now. So really its a no brainer that the 285 GTX is the better choice. Why risk 2 cards when you can a single maybe slightly slower 1, but isn't driver dependant?
Is getting a 285 when I start my build (I'm also watching to see what's going on with ATI's new card for April) good then; buy another to go SLI? I want to make sure I will take advantage of the i7. I see the FTW 285 is $414 and the SSC version is $384ish yest ATI is dropping it's prices so much. I remember when the 4870x2 was over $500 and the 4870 was $250. Part of me is eyeing the 4870 or the new card in April (if it's any good). Im torn, do I get the new kid (4870) or go with the 285. LoL what a headache! Im probably going to start my build at the end of this month.
I see the 1GB 4870's are at or lower than $200. There memory clock, core clock speeds, and streaming processors look so much higher than the 285. I can get 2 4870's for the price of one GTX285. Im wondering if my system will suffer with a 285. On paper it looks like the 4870 beats it hands down. I see also that the 4870 is dx10.1 but the 285 is dx10. Also, the 285 has 512 bit GDDR3 vs. 256bit GDDR5.
I see the 1GB 4870's are at or lower than $200. There memory clock, core clock speeds, and streaming processors look so much higher than the 285. I can get 2 4870's for the price of one GTX285. Im wondering if my system will suffer with a 285. On paper it looks like the 4870 beats it hands down. I see also that the 4870 is dx10.1 but the 285 is dx10. Also, the 285 has 512 bit GDDR3 vs. 256bit GDDR5.
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I think the 4850x2 issues a bit overblown. You have to realize much of the negatives rolling around still are from those who had them early on before they were supported by the default CATs.
It is a bit louder than the 285 but generally cheaper and faster, especially of late if you can catch it in stock at Amazon at $250 with a rebate.
It is a bit louder than the 285 but generally cheaper and faster, especially of late if you can catch it in stock at Amazon at $250 with a rebate.
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why would you risk getting something that can perform as low as a 4850 (comparison to the 285 I'm saying).
If both cards are par, or the single GPU is slightly under, I would never go for the 2 weaker cards. It just doesn't flow for me
Remember the 285s can be found for 300$ if your lucky enough, and like you said they run quieter, can OC like a beast, runs very cool, and has the ability to run sli and tri sli, which is alot safer than the 4850s quad Fire.
Both these cards have seen to exchange blows, and for some reason the 4850 doesn't perform as well as 2 4850s from what I've seen.
If both cards are par, or the single GPU is slightly under, I would never go for the 2 weaker cards. It just doesn't flow for me
Remember the 285s can be found for 300$ if your lucky enough, and like you said they run quieter, can OC like a beast, runs very cool, and has the ability to run sli and tri sli, which is alot safer than the 4850s quad Fire.
Both these cards have seen to exchange blows, and for some reason the 4850 doesn't perform as well as 2 4850s from what I've seen.
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that isn't a key selling point for some users. Remember why risk having a raid 0, when the possibility of the 2nd drive dieing or not functioning at the time, when you can pay a little extra and have a concrete foundation.
I would much rather put the 4870 X2 vs the 285 GTX on the line for choices of buying, than the card made only by sapphire and risk the drivers not being supported in the near future.
Remember SLi/Crossfire means that your going to depend on both drivers, and the game to support it.
I don't like those odds. I would much rather have the strong single card, and see what happens when I add a 2nd one I'll have those reallly good frames Plus 80% extra frames (give or take)
I would much rather put the 4870 X2 vs the 285 GTX on the line for choices of buying, than the card made only by sapphire and risk the drivers not being supported in the near future.
Remember SLi/Crossfire means that your going to depend on both drivers, and the game to support it.
I don't like those odds. I would much rather have the strong single card, and see what happens when I add a 2nd one
I'll have those reallly good frames Plus 80% extra frames (give or take)
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No brainer hd4850 X2 is cheaper and performs better than the GTX280.
I am getting it in mail today!
Here are some benchmarks:
http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rid=171602
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/hd4850x2/9.html
I am getting it in mail today!
Here are some benchmarks:
http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rid=171602
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/hd4850x2/9.html
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L1qu1d :
why would you risk getting something that can perform as low as a 4850 (comparison to the 285 I'm saying).
If both cards are par, or the single GPU is slightly under, I would never go for the 2 weaker cards. It just doesn't flow for me
Remember the 285s can be found for 300$ if your lucky enough, and like you said they run quieter, can OC like a beast, runs very cool, and has the ability to run sli and tri sli, which is alot safer than the 4850s quad Fire.
Both these cards have seen to exchange blows, and for some reason the 4850 doesn't perform as well as 2 4850s from what I've seen.
If both cards are par, or the single GPU is slightly under, I would never go for the 2 weaker cards. It just doesn't flow for me
Remember the 285s can be found for 300$ if your lucky enough, and like you said they run quieter, can OC like a beast, runs very cool, and has the ability to run sli and tri sli, which is alot safer than the 4850s quad Fire.
Both these cards have seen to exchange blows, and for some reason the 4850 doesn't perform as well as 2 4850s from what I've seen.
Wow, I really dont know where you get that information from. Benchmarks say totally opposite from what you stated in your last four posts.
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If the 4850 X2 exchanges blows with the 280 GTX, what about the 285 GTX which is 10-15% (depending on the game) faster than the 280?
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=657
I'm not saying at all that the single GPUs are faster, I'm saying that they exchange blows in Driver heaven's review....or are on par, with the 280 GTX. Now the 285 GTX is atleast 10% faster since it has 10-15% clock ranging from core, to memory and shader.
Remember that the 285 GTX is now 300-375 and the 280 GTX is going down to as low as 250 after MIR, so that they can get rid of them
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=657
I'm not saying at all that the single GPUs are faster, I'm saying that they exchange blows in Driver heaven's review....or are on par, with the 280 GTX. Now the 285 GTX is atleast 10% faster since it has 10-15% clock ranging from core, to memory and shader.
Remember that the 285 GTX is now 300-375
and the 280 GTX is going down to as low as 250 after MIR, so that they can get rid of them
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http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/xfxgtx285xxx/7.html
Look at this, the 285 GTX pretty much doubles the 4850 in these tests. And trust me CrossX of 4850s won't double your frames...and Don't forget that 2 4850s perform better than a 4850 X2.
"For those that are looking for the best bargain in this performance class, right now picking up a pair of HD 4850's is pretty tough to beat (or going with the Sapphire HD 4850), both of which cost roughly $300. On the Nvidia side of things, GTX 280 cards, which offer very similar performance to stock-clocked GTX 285 cards, are also selling for $300."
-neoseeker.
For a bit more you can have a solid foundation
I'm arguing solid foundation for a couple of extra bucks. For futur proofing, thats the smarter choice in this case Thats with 2 4850s, not with 4850 X2 so the performance is higher
Look at this, the 285 GTX pretty much doubles the 4850 in these tests. And trust me CrossX of 4850s won't double your frames...and Don't forget that 2 4850s perform better than a 4850 X2.
"For those that are looking for the best bargain in this performance class, right now picking up a pair of HD 4850's is pretty tough to beat (or going with the Sapphire HD 4850), both of which cost roughly $300. On the Nvidia side of things, GTX 280 cards, which offer very similar performance to stock-clocked GTX 285 cards, are also selling for $300."
-neoseeker.
For a bit more you can have a solid foundation
I'm arguing solid foundation for a couple of extra bucks. For futur proofing, thats the smarter choice in this case
Thats with 2 4850s, not with 4850 X2 so the performance is higher
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That benchmark was done November 3rd 2008.
Try looking up form some benchmarks with the Catalyst 9.1, 9.2 or 8.12 hotfix and you'll see the real results.
AMD/ ATI officially support the hd4850X2 and the HD4870 x2 with the 9.1 drivers, aolthough they implemented a hotfix with the 8.12 dirvers.
Here check this article, it benchmarks the hd4870 x2 but the performance increase is acros the board on all hd4xxx X2 cards:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/catalyst-91.html
I will post some first hand experience once I install and test my hd4850 x2 tonight.
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read the previous post I put
Thursday, February 12th, 2009
And Cat 9.2 actually lower frames.
2 4850s can be found cheaper, and performs better. I'm not saying is a crappy card, I'm just saying I would bite the bullet add a couple extra bucks, and have the solid structure. What pisses me off about the 4850 is that they added 1 gig, yet the bus width is still 256, and the Memory wasn't even upgrade to GDDR4 atleast, or something to make that 1 gig useful. Its like adding 1 gig to a 9800 GTX or 9800 GT, doesn't help much.
Thursday, February 12th, 2009
And Cat 9.2 actually lower frames.
2 4850s can be found cheaper, and performs better. I'm not saying is a crappy card, I'm just saying I would bite the bullet add a couple extra bucks, and have the solid structure. What pisses me off about the 4850 is that they added 1 gig, yet the bus width is still 256, and the Memory wasn't even upgrade to GDDR4 atleast, or something to make that 1 gig useful. Its like adding 1 gig to a 9800 GTX or 9800 GT, doesn't help much.
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