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Hi. I want to get GTA IV but I'm worried my specs can't handle it:

Athlon 64 X2 @ 2.5GHz
2GB DDR2-800
X1950 Pro 256MB

I can get a used 8800GT 256MB cheap (£60)- I'm pretty sure this is worth the upgrade in general, but will it help GTA IV? Is the 256MB version of the 8800 GT a worthy card? I can't get the 512MB version for anything like as cheap.

Thanks a lot for any help.

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There's a three-tier difference between those two cards on Cleeve's chart, so you will likely see an improvement.
Your CPU will become the bottleneck if you get anything much faster.

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Thanks. Haven't been able to find any comparative benchmarks for GTA IV but I doubt the improvement will be as big in that as it will be in other games. Do you know of any?

Pretty sure I'll see the difference in the other games I'm playing at the moment- Left 4 Dead and Race Driver: GRID.

Reply to ad_ept

dont waste your money
GTA4 wants more video ram
dont replace one 256mb card with another one

Reply to mouse29982

GTA 4 responds best to CPU not GPU.

With your Athlon X2 you could put a GTX280 in there and still not have playable frame rates.

Reply to crusoe74

I wouldn't waste any money on GTA 4. From forum threads I've seen so far, it appears GTA 4 runs poorly on some of the most modern gaming computers.

For example, saw someone complaining that their GTX 260 Core 216 was only seeing like 31 FPS, with a modern Intel processor.

It sounds like GTA 4 has some bugs to be worked out on the PC.

That being said, once the bugs are worked out, you'll need upgrades to run the game well at higher resolutions or higher settings I'm sure. Frankly though, I would not buy another 256MB video card. The higher resolution textures now days really want 512MB of memory on your video card to get you decent performance.

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There's a three-tier difference between those two cards on Cleeve's chart, so you will likely see an improvement.
Your CPU will become the bottleneck if you get anything much faster.



jtt283 is right. If you get any video card faster than that, you'll not see much for performance gains. Your CPU is going to become a limit to gaming performance here pretty quickly. :( I had to upgrade from my Athlon X2 4400+ a while back cause it just wasn't cutting it anymore for me.

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Thanks for all your advice guys. Unfortunately the auction ended before I could get a lot of it, but I doubt I could have resisted anyway- managed to get the 8800 GT for £45 (plus p&p). After I've sold my X1950 Pro the upgrade will have cost me very little. I don't expect much improvement in GTA, but my current card was struggling with GRID so it should help that.

I was planning to buy a 4850, but since its price has been so stable (and has in fact increased marginally) in the last few months over here in the UK, I decided just to make a cheap step up for the time being, since money is tight.

I suppose the next step is to think about overclocking my cpu, since my current one is virgin. Not sure what I can expect out of an X2 4800+ on good air cooling- if anyone has any experience of this cpu I'd be glad to know.

Thanks again.

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Well, you can beat a mule pretty hard, but it will never run like Secretariat.

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Reply to jtt283

Well if you get a better video card you're going to need to turn down some of the more CPU intensive options to get a benefit. I don't know what those options are since I don't plan on getting it myself. As for Grid a better video card would help. It ran fine on my computer when my Athlon 5000 was at it's 2.6GHz stock speed, but of course overclocking my system allows me to raise the detail up a little :). GRID doesn't like my logitec game pad too much though so I had to borrow one from a friend :(. Anyway if you can overclock your CPU it would help some :D. since you have it at 2.5GHz I'm assuming it's a Brisbane core, since Windsor cores suffer a performance hit with uneven multipliers. If you have the G2 stepping you should be able to hit 3.0GHz. I'm still using the stock cooling on mine.

Reply to megamanx00

It will most likely be cheaper to buy an xbox, than the upgrades needed to run it on your pc.

Reply to daskrabbe
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GTA4 is cpu bound so a gpu upgrade wont help much a faster cpu will. I would get a card with 512mb, 256mb isnt cutting it anymore.

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Reply to invisik

I don't think there's much point in putting a 4850 in your system. Your CPU is going to continue to be a limiting factor. To get much more than you have, you may be due for a CPU/Motherboard/Memory upgrade to get you better performance.

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