Btw,One more point is that when you buy a 576mhz gtx260,if you overclock it to something like my GFX gtx260 black which is 666mhz fresh out of box,you will run into idle temp of 50s,agree?And my point is i can start 666mhz at around 43c-44c,so logically I can oc mine better than those 570mhz ones,I think any one with little computer logics will agree with this.So that's same as getting 666mhz at stock,get what I mean?Dont just flame people cause you read somewhere says 570mhz is the stock speed for 260mhz,that can only apply those those 570mhz models,the much higher OC ability is the things the word "stock" cant fool you,cause when you try to overclock a "570mhz" model to something like 700mhz or above you are more likely to run into heat problem than mine 666mhz one,that's the difference right there,so dont say you can overclock it to 666mhz and get it at a lower price,cause you are folling yourself when you say that.