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Anonymous
November 17, 2008 11:34:07 PM

I'm building a gaming computer for Christmas, and aiming for it to be under $1400. I'm looking for some critisism of my components, and please note that I've left out things such as the DVD drive, just because I'm lazy and they aren't a concern of mine. Also, one question that I have is, does Newegg run out of stuff near Christmas, or will they stock enough that I won't have to worry about my plan of ordering it 2 weeks before? So, here it is:

Antec P180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 780i
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 9800GTX+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 620HX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Q6600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 1066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar 640GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows Vista x64 Ultimate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 18, 2008 2:39:53 AM

ok im going to go out on a limb here but if i were going to spend that much on a build right now i would get

Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz -- $320
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202]

MSI X58 Platinum LGA 1366 Intel X58 -- $220
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130216]

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 -- $250
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145220]

SAPPHIRE 100257L Radeon HD 4870 -- $250
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102797]

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit -- $100
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488]

Antec Performance One P180 Silver -- $150
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129154]

Antec NeoPower 650 Blue 650W -- $70 after instant rebate with case
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371010]

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB -- $70
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218&Tpk=WD6400AAKS]


All in all it is about $30 over $1400 i didn't look at mail in rebates but i bet there are some also you could always save money by only getting like 3gigs of ram if you want to over clock then get the zigmatek cooler and bracket, i can't remember the exact part number off hand if not then the stock cooler should be fine
November 18, 2008 2:59:33 AM

WOW! I like your thinking gators1223.
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November 18, 2008 6:42:10 AM

good catch slomo
November 18, 2008 9:54:46 AM

ohh my...core i7 is really catchin up fast....well my idea would be choosing this memoery
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
save 30 bucks and with the 40 bucks saved from changing to SlomoshO option for the case and spend that 70 bucks on this board...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
better than MSI and has triple pcix16 :D  in case u wanna do triple sli/crossfire
Anonymous
November 18, 2008 10:25:13 AM

How will this second build compare to the first in terms of speed and 64 bit driver availability? I heard that nVidia support has been a little spotty. Also, the mobo, processor, and ram don't have any reviews yet, how is it known that they're reliable? Oh, and does anyone know about chrismas shopping on Newegg?
November 18, 2008 10:41:35 AM

well the x58's and i7's were just released for sale this week, and the ram is really only for tri-channel boards. as far as nvidia support... no need to worry if you use the one mentioned above as its ati and the board gkay shows supports tri sli and tri crossfire so your set whether you went with nvidia or ati(i suggest ati)
November 18, 2008 10:51:52 AM

Christmas will have less of an effect on stock availability then people wanting the newest parts hitting the shelves. If you look back to when the first batch of Raedon HD 38XX line came out or Intels Wolfdale E8XXX line. Those were out of stock within days of hitting the shelves. Since the motherboards and ram have been out for a while I would worry most about the availibility of the new Nehalem Core i7 processors. If you plan on going that rout on your build, and if you have the cash, I would pruchase that first. Then, when the time comes, purchase the rest of your components as they will most likely be in stock. I made the mistake of waiting to purchase the Wolfdale E8xxx and it was a bit over a month till I could find one, especially one that was priced reasonably.
November 18, 2008 10:53:49 AM

There should not be that many issues with this platform. It is not a complete change, it is more of like a big "upgrade".
And my 2 cents, I would much rather take my chances with what these people are suggesting, than the board with the nVidia chipset you picked out. Just scour the forums and try to find how many times boards with nvidia chipsets get recommended. Not many.
At very least, if you do not go with i7, get something with a Intel chipset.

2 weeks before, you should be okay, but that is starting to cut it pretty close. I don't think there is going to a huge rush on PC components right now. It's really not the best time to be building. My rig won't be a Christmas present, so I am going to wait until Feb. and see what happens with prices/AMD before I start building. But that is about as long as I am going wait, no matter what I am building then.
November 18, 2008 1:36:08 PM

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How will this second build compare to the first in terms of speed and 64 bit driver availability? I heard that nVidia support has been a little spotty. Also, the mobo, processor, and ram don't have any reviews yet, how is it known that they're reliable? Oh, and does anyone know about chrismas shopping on Newegg?

In terms of speed, it's a no brainer.
The i7 is faster(15-20%?) clock for clock.
The i7 clock is 2.66 vs. 2.4
Turbo mode can kick in another step of 5%
Hiperthreading gives you 8 threads.
You are looking a 6gb of fast triple channel ram vs. 4gb of slower two channel ddr2 ram

Vista-64 drivers have not been an issue for me. It mainly affects those old obsolete devices for which the vendor does not wish to spend time and $ to get driver certification.

Nvidia vga drivers are the only ones you have to use, and they seem to be better than ATI at the moment.

As to the MSI mobo, it's true, that they have not had the number of early reviews. They are a decent company, with decent support. To be safe, look at the Asus P6T for $80 more.

With the current economy, I don't expect a run on products at Christmas. If the i7, particularly the 920 takes off, it could be in short supply with rising prices.
November 18, 2008 2:08:15 PM

and just because it doesnt have user reviews yet doesnt mean the pro's havent tested and abused them, toms had an article along with just about every other major pc hardware website.
Anonymous
November 18, 2008 8:37:09 PM

^^^
Point taken.

The Antec 900 isn't very appealing to me, both because of it's smallish size and it's lighted fans. I would prefer a case that is large so that it is easy to work with on the inside (I'm a first time builder) and has a simple, unlighted exterior. Any suggestions?
November 18, 2008 8:55:10 PM

oh the cosmos is a sweet case + like 10 for that one.
November 18, 2008 8:55:13 PM

I would suggest the Antec 300 case $54.95 with free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It has superb airflow, and no "bling"
It will be much easier to work with than the P180, even though it is classified as a mid-tower.
Bigger is not necessarily better.
Anonymous
November 18, 2008 9:03:16 PM

I'm not sure about the Antec 300, I've looked at it but, although it's a very good price, I'm just wanting more. I feel like even though I might not need all the space, it still gives me a lot of breathing room and space to work.
Anonymous
November 18, 2008 9:30:34 PM

I think that this is getting a little out of hand, or at least outside my realm of possibilities. What I'm looking for is a nice computer that's under $1400 dollars, preferably less, as I only have $900 to spend at the moment. Although I would love an i7, and ddr3 memory, it's just too much of an investment in new tech for too high a price.

Also, what's the deal with ATI vs nVidia? If I can get an EVGA 9800 GTX+ for under $200 with 738MHz core clock and a 2200MHz memory clock, why should I spend over $200 on an ATI with less then that?

I do agree however that the motherboard looks a little iffy, any suggestions that hopefully won't break the bank?
November 18, 2008 9:45:45 PM

What 4850's are you looking at that are over $200? You can get 4850's for less than $140 after rebate. The 4850 outperform the 9800GTX+ in most benchmarks. I don't have a bias toward either company, but ATI offers more bang for the buck at the moment IMO. You can't go off of clock speeds for GPU comparisons since ATI and Nvidia architectures are completely different. I would read up on some GPU comparisons before making a decision. Legionhardware.com has some pretty good reviews.

I don't see where you mentioned what resolution you will be running. That should be a huge deciding factor on what GPU you get.
November 18, 2008 9:51:53 PM

ok i guess my question will be what are you planning to use the computer for, will it be games (if so any in particular) video editing, a little of everything?
Anonymous
November 18, 2008 9:58:12 PM

I guess mostly for gaming, but it will be my PC that I'll use for everything, so I'll probably do some photoshop and animating.

edit:
My apologies, didn't see your post, I'll be going with either 1680 x 1050 or 1920 x 1200. As for graphics cards, I'll certainly look into it as I admittedly do not know a lot about ATI and their products.

Games vary, probably Diablo 3, Fallout 3, Far cry, all the source engine games, UT3, and CoD4
November 18, 2008 11:32:15 PM

ok so my original build was definitely a gaming type of machine, but it could do anything you threw at it pretty much there are lots of good suggestions
if you want to save like $80 on the case this is great
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068
the suggestion about g.skill ram is good but whats in stock varies on a day to day basis also if you aren't going to get a 1920x1200 the 4850 is probably all you would need as for ati vs nvidia, right now ati really has the price/performance crown with the 4850 and 4870
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