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PLEASE help to build GOOD water cooling system for my i7-930

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  1. What is this?

    Do research and come back when you have a good idea of what you want.

    Please don't expect all of us to make you the system. You didnt even give us a budget for Christ's sake.
  2. in fittings and liquid i need help
    MCP655™ series 12 VDC Pumps, MCR320-QP, Apogee™ XT (Swiftech's )
  3. What exactly do you need help with?
    What fittings to buy?
  4. i want to get 1/2 tubing, but i read the MCP655 has 3/8 input and 1/2 output is that true? and i hear that MCR320-QP radiator is not so good, do you have some other radiators in mind?
  5. Please read the stick on top of this section.
  6. The MCP655 has 1/2 fittings (stock) you can get a aftermarket top which can hold custom fittings.

    If you don't have a budget. A Feser X-Changer is a good dual thickness rad.

    I wouldn't go for 1/2ID tubing. Swiftech has 7/16ID tubing which fits over 1/2ID barbs very tightly. I like 3/8ID tubing because they are easier to work with but 7/16 tubing has better flow and not too stiff.

    As for CPU block. The apogee XT is probably one of the better ones and inexpensive.

    For fluid I would use pure distilled water (I used feser aqua double distilled water). The colored crap they sell makes a real mess when it drips anywhere. I dripped some on my memory when filling my loop, it wasn't running or anything but I had to scrub the orange off my memory lanes. Just get colored tubing if you want color.
  7. Is Danger Den Black Ice GTX360 good Radiator? so if i got 3/8 UV tubing, MCP655, The apogee XT ( or i can buy some thin better around 100$?)
  8. Again, like I said, READ the sticky! It contains all the info you'll need including links to radiator reviews/testing.
    See: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256607-29-watercooling-read-first
  9. The sticky has a lot of stuff if you don't know anything about liquid cooling. It doesn't tell you which parts are better though.

    The black ice performs pretty much the same as the feser x-changer. Get which ever is cheaper.

    You can't get anything better than the apogee XT at the moment. That thing beat the heat killer by 1C and it cost less.

    The MCP655 has 1/2 barbs. Unless you get an aftermarket top (i have a EK top for my MCP655) you have to have some of your loop at 1/2 or 7/16ID.
  10. ok, what do you think? Feser XChanger Triple 120mm ( Fittings 1/4 to 1/2), the apogee XT (fittings 1/4 to 1/2),
    MCP655, 7/16 tubing, MCRES Micro Revision 2 reservoir, i will make my own coolant ( Distilled Water and AF)
  11. That would have great performance.

    Just make sure your case can hold the XChanger.

    The MCP655 is a strong pump. You can even add a video card to that loop no problem.
  12. Quote:
    The sticky has a lot of stuff if you don't know anything about liquid cooling. It doesn't tell you which parts are better though.

    Umm... what? In the sticky:
    Quote:

    Tests on equipment, not reviews, truly scientific tests
    XtremeSystems More rad testing
    skinnee labs Host for Martins lab and some newer tests
    skinnee labs Test results, very technical



    Quote:


    You can't get anything better than the apogee XT at the moment. That thing beat the heat killer by 1C and it cost less.

    Yes, it beat the HK 3.0 HOWEVER, the HK 3.0 LC can be had for 1/2 the price of the XT for ~2-3C hit in most cases.
    http://www.skinneelabs.com/i7-blocks-2.html
    Given that we don't even know the specs of OP's system or his skill level in OCing I doubt he'll find much difference.

    Quote:
    ( Distilled Water and AF)

    DO NOT run Anti freeze in a loop (esp. since you don't have mixed metals). Get some PTNuke or KillCoils.
  13. I would avoid using plastic fittings entirely.

    As for the compression fittings on the apogee xt. Better if you use regular fittings. Otherwise you need to rotate the inlet which reduces performance a little.

    7/16 tubin on 1/2 fittings is very tight. You should have absolutely no problem.
  14. how i going to support the tubing on the fittings? with the Tie Wraps
  15. You don't need to secure tubing on the fittings.
  16. thanks for your help man! do i need to get Liquid Flow Indicators?
  17. rofl_my_waffle said:
    The sticky has a lot of stuff if you don't know anything about liquid cooling. It doesn't tell you which parts are better though.

    The black ice performs pretty much the same as the feser x-changer. Get which ever is cheaper.

    You can't get anything better than the apogee XT at the moment. That thing beat the heat killer by 1C and it cost less.

    The MCP655 has 1/2 barbs. Unless you get an aftermarket top (i have a EK top for my MCP655) you have to have some of your loop at 1/2 or 7/16ID.



    No it doesn't If someone wanted to continually update a sticky here that would be great. Thats why I listed the stores and the real watercooling places.

    If someone can't do their homework, they can buy a Dell.
  18. Matvey. Please please please slow down. Your moving too fast, have no clue of what your looking at, what stuff is good, or even what to do when you get it at your door.

    Your setting yourself up for a big big failure.

    Don't come back saying it didn't work.

    Slow down........
  19. can you give me a link were i can read some good stuff?
  20. Conumdrum said:
    Matvey. Please please please slow down. Your moving too fast, have no clue of what your looking at, what stuff is good, or even what to do when you get it at your door.

    Your setting yourself up for a big big failure.

    Don't come back saying it didn't work.

    Slow down........

    Amen!
    matvey said:
    can you give me a link were i can read some good stuff?

    DAMN IT! I GAVE you the link in my 2nd post!!!!!!
  21. I did read that! what is this - "Your moving too fast, have no clue of what your looking at, what stuff is good, or even what to do when you get it at your door"
  22. ^ Do you know how to drain a loop? How about filling? How about leak testing? Do you know how to do all of them CORRECTLY?

    The reason Conumdrum said that is because you've been asking REALLY simple questions and if you read the guides you would have not needed to ask them. At the end of the day, it's your money and hardware, do as you wish.
  23. now i want to learn, to find what i need to buy. than i am going to learn how to drain a loop, filling,leak testing CORRECTLY.
  24. please tall me if this setup is good or not? Feser XChanger Triple with this fittings http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6953/ex-tub-172/Bitspower_Chrome_G14_Barb_Fitting_-_12_ID.html
    Swiftech MCP655, Swiftech Apogee XT, Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev. 2 Reservoir Tubing 7/16"ID 5/8" http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8278/ex-tub-435/PrimoChill_PrimoFlex_PRO_LRT_Tubing_716ID_58_OD_with_332_Wall_-_UV_Red.html?tl=g30c99s809
  25. Those parts would do fine. What are you going to do for fans? Where are you going to mount your radiator?

    My case has mountings for a 3x120 radiator and I have 3 fans in an intake configuration (intake gives better performance than exhaust) and I have a fan controller with that to turn all the fans down when im not doing anything to make the system whister quiet.

    Just one tip. 7/16 tubing gets on 1/2 fittings really really tight. If you have trouble getting them on. Dip the tubing in boiling water and it should slide right in.

    Im sure you would figure out the drain/fill part on your own because I did. Really it is done exactly how it looks. As for testing make sure all your barbs are really tight and when you install the tubing, make sure the tubing as the lowest amount of tension possible. That means not too long or not too short and definitely not twisted because too much tension can make the tubing loosen the barbs. Avoid any tight bends. After you checked everything run just the pump for a while and check for leaks. Bubbles will drain into the res while you run it so you need to fill up the res from time to time.
  26. matvey said:
    please tall me if this setup is good or not? Feser XChanger Triple with this fittings http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6953/ex-tub-172/Bitspower_Chrome_G14_Barb_Fitting_-_12_ID.html
    Swiftech MCP655, Swiftech Apogee XT, Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev. 2 Reservoir Tubing 7/16"ID 5/8" http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8278/ex-tub-435/PrimoChill_PrimoFlex_PRO_LRT_Tubing_716ID_58_OD_with_332_Wall_-_UV_Red.html?tl=g30c99s809



    In a week or so I'll help you. Once you spend that time, at least a few hours a day reading. Don't just look at sites that sell stuff. Join other forums, read all the stickies at the top, digging deep.

    Hate to see you buy the wrong rad, block, pump, wrong liquid and have a leak that ruins the PSU mobo, and GPU card.

    Actually, your parts list is looking pretty good.
  27. ^ yup. The parts are not the problem, it's SETTING up the loop that is a problem for most people.
  28. i have Thermaltake Armor full tower http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1277&ID=1405
    the radiator i will mount inside of the case at the front. fans intak. pump-radiator-CPU block-reservoir and pump ....
    take a look is that how you filling the loop? is that correct? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g55vZgg6M-Q&feature=related
  29. That is pretty much it. Quite simple as you can see.
  30. if i do not have the external PSU, how i cen do the leak testing?
  31. Neither do I. The first time I did it, I took my motherboard out of my case. Second time I borrowed another computer in the house.

    I filled my system many times now. I just do it with all my components inside. I unplug everything except the motherboard. I use non conductive fluid so it wouldn't be that bad if a leak did occur which happened once when I bought a faulty reservoir.

    That time was horrible because I used colored liquid and to this day I find coloring residue in my case. Never using colored fluids again.
  32. i have extra motherboard and PSU i am going to use them
  33. ^ You can use your normal PSU. Just short the green to black on the 24 pin connector.
  34. waht is gonna give me if i short it?
  35. ^?????? Please type in an understandable way.
  36. sorry man. i live in US only 4 years. why i need to short green and black wire?
  37. Best answer
    Quote:
    sorry man. i live in US only 4 years. why i need to short green and black wire?

    No problem.

    To start your PSU with out a motherboard, you will need to short the green to black.
    http://www.virtual-hideout.net/guides/atx_psu_mods/index.shtml


    This lets you test the loop with out powering up the board and if there is a leak, it's less likely to kill everything. MAKE SURE the PSU will not be in the way in case of a leak.
  38. THANK YOU! it is very cool! i really appreciate what you are doing.
  39. can i install Feser XChanger Triple up side down (vertical, fittings down) ? will it decrees the performance?
  40. It will be hard to bleed the air out, you might need to run the PC on it's side for a day, and still will take a LONGGG time. Do you have to mount it that way? The Feser has a bled hole on top? If so, running the loop and opening it a bit, just a bit will help.

    You need to get rid of the air in the rad like that in the upside down way, and it will be a week or so.

    Having 1/4 of the rad full of air means 1/4 less performance.
  41. i want to mount the radiator at the front of my case (inside, vertical) so the fittings on the radiator will be almost at the highest spot of my case, but as i have read at the highest spot has to be a reservoir. ???
  42. No, it doesn't.

    Place it where you want.

    Before the pump is the golden rule, higher than the pump.

    Maybe looking at a few forums and the hundreds of build logs and pics would open your mind. Other forums? Yes, some even have real watercoolers. In the sticky at the top.
  43. You can run a radiator upside down (barbs facing down) no problem. Bleeding won't take longer than usual.

    I have a Xchanger and a swiftech before that. Both run upside down and most of the air bleeds out within a hour.
    Maybe if you have a weak pump or not enough pressure drop but with a MCP 655 and a single CPU block, air would not get stuck anywhere except the res.
  44. guys THANKS TO ALL OF YOU. i build my cooling system and i am happy with it.
  45. Best answer selected by matvey.
  46. Good to know it's up and running. What temps and pics?
  47. Well done. Also, use Small FFT not Large FFT.
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