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CHECK this if you are Looking for a NEW GAMING GPU for Xmas!

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December 13, 2008 2:11:29 AM

I was just looking at Newegg and discovered that numerous gaming oriented gpus had gone down significantly in price. This might be something to consider if you are planning a new build or upgrade. Even if you don't buy from Newegg, the slash in prices could be more widespread so it is probably worth a look.

I will just list the prices and links here, you guys can decide on the best deals for you're upgrade or build:
(prices include mail-in rebates)

First up is the ATI 4800 series - generally a good value-to-performance choice for gamers:

4830
A single HIS 4830: $90
An ASUS 4830: $100
Sapphire 4830: $105
ASUS and Sapphire both have better feedback than the HIS, and OC potential will also be very important at these low prices at in can greatly enhance the card performance

This means that a 4830 CF costs between $180 - 210

link: www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=20...

4850

There are lots of 4850s (512 MB) - here are some that are good value:

Powercolor AX4850: $140
ASUS EAH4850 OCed: $130 !!!

This mean that you can have 4850 CF for only $260

link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

4870

The 4870 can be tricky to decide on due to its 512 MB and 1GB variants, both OCed and not. Here are the best buy price comparisons I found:

Sapphire and ASUS stock 4870s (512 MB): $180
MSI OC 4870 (512 MB): $180 !!
Powercolor AX4870 (1GB), OC and also cheapest: $220 !

From this a 4870 (1GB) CF costs : $360 !!
and a 4870 (2GB) CF costs: $440
link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

4850X2 and 4870X2

These cards generally cost more than their brother CF configurations, but only require 1 PCI 2x slot and don't need CF support

Sapphire 4870 X2: $470 !!!
Sapphire 4850 X2: $290 !!! - looks particularly good as it has 2GB ram

link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Now for Nvidia, which has just slashed its prices to join the competition!

9800 GT

EVGA NR 9800GT: $95
BFG OC 9800GT: $100

9800 GT SLI ~ $190-210

In the case of the 9800GT it can be had for about the equal price of the 4830

9800 GTX+

ASUS EN9800 GTX+: $160
XFX 9800 GTX+ and Farcry 2: $160

9800 GTX+ SLI ~ $320
I'm not really sure how these will compare to a pair of 4850s or a 4850 X2

260 GTX core 192 and core 216

For some reason most of these card seem to be selling with a free copy of Farcry 2, so I guess I'll take that forgranted

MSI 260 GTX core 192: $200
BFG 260 GTX core 216 and OC: $235

From this it appears that 260 GTX SLI can range from $400-470 depending on card choice. The 216 is toted as a much faster card however due to its increase in stream processors. Hard to tell how this would compare to a 4850 CF/X2 or a 4870 CF/X2
link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

280 GTX

Nvidia has slashed its prices on this card from its original +$400 region and the cuts can be seen all across the manufacturing spectrum. However I don't know if it is enough..

BFG 280 GTX: $315
MSI OC 280 GTX: $330

280 GTX SLI from $630 up

Discussion

Before I started writing this I thought that the price cuts I saw for high-end Nvidea cards had brought them back into competition with the ATI cards. However as I started writing I noticed that ATI prices have also dropped. :pt1cable: 

For top end performance it will be interesting to see how the drop in 260 and 280 prices will effect the choices in both single and multi-card configurations.

Multi-card solutions look really cheap now with 4830 CF under $200 and 4850 CF at $260, Nvidea doesn't seem to be able to compete with these prices. However they might offer more stable OC and better performance for you, I can't say for certain.

I can however say that the most important things to consider for a gaming pc in my opinion are the type of games that you play and most importantly the screen that you play them on.

For large (30 inch+) screens with high native resolutions you might want to look at CF/SLI solutions and more memory.
For example: 2GB memory 4800CF, 4850 X2 or 4870 X2 might be better choices than a 1GB memory 4850 CF or 4870 CF

For smaller screens the GPU processing speed might be more the determining factor:
Then you could for example be better off with either one fast card like an OCed 4870, 260 or 280;
Or a less memory oriented 4830, 4850 or 4870 CF solution.

However I'm not certain of this in all cases, so it is always to do some research.

Hope you guys found this somewhat useful :sol: 

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December 13, 2008 2:28:50 AM

The 4850X2 at $300 is a awesome buy. It was $430 a month ago which was stupid to pay for. No single card can beat the 4870X2 or the 4850X2. But due to the 4850X2 being a "propritary" card since its Sapphire exclusive (just like teh 3850X2 being ASUS only), the driver support is probably a horror story. Not to mention the card is heavier, and an inch longer than the 4870X2, its an overall poorly designed card despite performance.
December 13, 2008 2:38:41 AM

DO NOT BUY A LIMTED PRODUCTION CARD LIKE THE 4850X2 YOU NEVER GET GOOD BIOS UPDATES!

the reason it is so cheap is they probably will not support it.

if you got $300 get a 260 216 for $250 or 4870 x2 for $225

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December 13, 2008 2:40:14 AM

What TF. Who got into the pakalolo?
December 13, 2008 2:40:28 AM

by the way research sapphires past prioerty designs or gigabytes short nvidia pcb, 8800 series where junk too, you see they are plagued with issues

stick with high volume cards

if you do no remember it was a pro sandwich <--hint!
December 13, 2008 12:50:24 PM

Um I don't really get what dragonsprayer is talking about except for high volume cards. Obviously if you go for a less known or puchased model you might be sticking you neck out. The 4870 x2 does not however cost anywhere near $225 from what I've seen. :heink: 

On to the issues of the nvidea 260:
Lets look at bang for the buck between high end 200 series nvidea GPUs. You get a standard MSI 260 GTX 192 SPs for $200, a BFG (OC) 260 GTX 216 SPs for $235 and a BFG or MSI(OC)280 GTX with 240 SPs for $315-30.

Core 192 = $200 ~ $1.04 per SP; 575 MHz GPU ~ $0.35 per MHz; 2000 MHz Memory ~ $0.10 per MHz

Core 216 = $235 ~ $1.09 per SP; 590 MHz GPU (OC) ~ $0.40 per MHz; 2000 MHz Memory ~ $0.11 per MHz (10% increase in price per MHz!)

Core 240 = $315 ~ $1.35 per SP; 615 MHz GPU ~ $0.51 per MHz; 2200 MHz Memory ~ $0.14 per MHz (40% increase in price per MHz!!)

Core 240 = $330 ~ $1.38 per SP; 650 MHz GPU (OC) ~ $0.51 per MHz; 2300 MHz Memory ~ $0.14 per MHz (40% increase price per MHz!!)


From these figures it looks pretty clear that the core 192 is the best bang for the buck in all areas if you get it for $200. I'm not sure if the actual performance will show this in comparison to a 216 though - but it is interesting to see the difference. The 280 GTX is far poorer value and unless there are other unaccounted for reasons that make it perform better it is hard to see why this card is worth it even after a slash in prices!

December 13, 2008 3:59:08 PM

There are a few people that still recomend the original GTX 260 over the revision 216 one due to the high overclockablity of the original GTX 260. I also think its a better buy.

As far as him saying the 4870 X2 is $225 I think he was meaning just the regular 4870.
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