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I am finally upgrading my Dimension 4700 from it's original 512MB Ram!

After reading several post, I realized that it would be pointless to upgrade to the motherboard max of 4GB because I am only running the 32-bit version OS. From what I understand, my pc would only recognize 3GB.

Here is the question:

I am looking at purchasing
Kingston
Model KVR667D2N5K2/2G
Type 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
Capacity 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Speed DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)
Cas Latency 5

AND

Kingston
Model KVR667D2N5/1G
Type 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
Capacity 1GB
Speed DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)
Cas Latency 5

to total 3GB. Will these work together even though the former is a matched set and the latter is not? Is it ok to leave one memory slot unused?

As I'm sure you've noticed, I am new to the "do it yourself" upgrading. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I just realized something and I'm kicking myself.

Would I be better off to go with one 2GB chip and one 1GB chip to total the 3GB?

Reply to deafboyred

The 32 bit cap of 3gb is after all system resources are reserved, using 4gb of memory. A 32 bit system can only address 4gb of memory at max, which is then shared between all resources. If your video card has onboard memory (it does), that is also taken away from the total amount of Ram you can have. With a video card of 1gb of ram, that limits the total Ram to 3gb, then the system takes a little more away, leaving your system showing a little less than 3gb. With a video card of 512MB of ram, that means you would cap off at 3.5gb.

With that said, it would still probably just be cheaper to get a 2x 2gb kit and get the whole 4 gb

Patriot Viper 2x2GB kit

Edit: just realized you were looking at 667mhz memory

Kingston 2x2GB kit ~40$

Edit2: To clearify, with a video card using with 512mb of Ram would leave your max Ram at 3.5GB, making 512MB wasted, but its still cheaper then getting a bunch of smaller sticks.

And to answer your original question, you would need to check your mother board for specifications to see if 3 1gb sticks would work, but generally, no. Also, a configuration of 2x1GB sticks and 2x512MB sticks also works on most motherboards.


Message edited by Mr_bojangles on 03-22-2009 at 12:18:56 AM
Reply to Mr_bojangles

From dell


Memory supported
400-MHz (PC2-3200) and 533-MHz (PC2-4300) DDR2 unbuffered SDRAM non-ECC

sizes supported
128-, 256-, 512-, or 1-GB non-ECC


So the max you could use is 4 - 1gb sticks of ddr2 533.

Reply to caniba

deafboyred wrote :

I just realized something and I'm kicking myself.

Would I be better off to go with one 2GB chip and one 1GB chip to total the 3GB?



To add a bit to mr_bojangles' post, using three dimms will put your machine back into ddr mode, eliminating the benefits of ddr2. Two or four modules would be preferable, as then you would keep the inter-leaving benefits of ddr2. Will it matter much? Not really, unless you are doing a fairly large overclock, but it will matter some even at stock settings. Also, some MB's have an issue using all four DIMM slots without a bios upgrade, so 2x2GB is probably your best bet. Even then you may need to change your voltage to get your RAM running properly.

Also, just to complicate matters, you need to put your RAM into the same bank of DIMM slots. Many MB's will have the banks color coded, but you may need to read your MB manual to be sure.

Reply to croc

croc wrote :

To add a bit to mr_bojangles' post, using three dimms will put your machine back into ddr mode, eliminating the benefits of ddr2. Two or four modules would be preferable, as then you would keep the inter-leaving benefits of ddr2. Will it matter much? Not really, unless you are doing a fairly large overclock, but it will matter some even at stock settings.



There is no such thing as DDR mode. 3 sticks would no longer run in dual channel, which makes hardly any difference in performance.

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Reply to theAnimal

theAnimal wrote :

There is no such thing as DDR mode. 3 sticks would no longer run in dual channel, which makes hardly any difference in performance.



And there was no DDR ram, right? I thought I was fairly clear on the OP's options, including the performance hit of using DDR mode vs. DDR2 mode, without writing a tome of various memory specs.

Reply to croc

theAnimal wrote :

There is no such thing as DDR mode.



The chipset actually has a DDR mode. So the thing exists.

Reply to mikrev007

croc wrote :

And there was no DDR ram, right? I thought I was fairly clear on the OP's options, including the performance hit of using DDR mode vs. DDR2 mode, without writing a tome of various memory specs.



Who said anything about no DDR RAM?

There is no such thing as DDR mode or DDR2 mode. Just single channel or dual channel. Which can apply to DDR, DDR2 or DDR3.

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Reply to theAnimal

Please read the JEDEC standards. I think you are a bit confused...

Focus on SDRAM, DDR SDRAM, DDR2 SDRAM and DDR3 SDRAM. Also take note of the package variations, the different memory rates, the differences in voltage requirements for the various packages....

As previously stated, I was trying to answer the OP's questions without writing a tome.

Reply to croc

croc wrote :

Please read the JEDEC standards. I think you are a bit confused...

Focus on SDRAM, DDR SDRAM, DDR2 SDRAM and DDR3 SDRAM. Also take note of the package variations, the different memory rates, the differences in voltage requirements for the various packages....

As previously stated, I was trying to answer the OP's questions without writing a tome.



I know about the differences between the different types of RAM.

Why don't you just post what JEDEC says about DDR mode for DDR2.

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Reply to theAnimal

Most Dells the older Dells have a Intel MB and will run just fine with the following setup of DDR2-533MHz PC2-4300 @ 1.8v
Dimm 0 = 512 MB
Dimm 1 = 1 GB
Dimm 2 = 512 MB
Dimm 3 = 1 GB

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Reply to dallasjoh

Thanks for all the info peoples! To Newegg I go!

Reply to deafboyred

For any ram you are considering, do your own homework.
Go to the ram vendor's web site, and access their configurator.
Corsair, Kingston, Patriot, OCZ and others have them.
Their compatibility list is more current than the motherboard vendor's QVL lists which rarely get updated.
Enter your mobo or PC, and get a list of compatible ram sticks.

Core 2 cpu's are not very sensitive to ram speeds.
If you look at real application and game benchmarks(vs. synthetic tests),
you will see negligible difference in performance between the slowest and fastest ram.
Perhaps 1-2%. Not worth it to me.
Don't pay extra for faster ram or better timings unless you are a maximum overclocker.

3gb in any configuration will work. If it is unbalanced, you may operate in single channel mode, but that is not a big performance hit.
I would suggest looking at a 4gb kit (2x2gb). Two sticks are much easier for a motherboard to manage. A 32 bit os will see about 3.4gb, but that is still better than just 3gb.

Those 4gb kits are cheap, perhaps cheaper than any 3gb parts you can buy. Check out this deal on 4gb corsair DDR2-800 for $20 after rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145184

DDR2-800 ram will operate at a lower speed if necessary. Check the corsair web site configurator to be certain.

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