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April 22, 2011 7:25:06 PM

H:\Movies\ZZZ del *.* didn't work, unlocker doesn't work, can't do it in safety
mode either.
April 22, 2011 7:33:58 PM

From Wikipedia: FS information sector signature (0x52 0x52 0x61 0x41 / "RRaA")

Also the size of the file is: 350,432 KB
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April 23, 2011 12:18:42 AM



Download Tuneup Utilities 2007 and use it to delete the file.

Get it
HERE

When you run the program, click the bottom button "File recovery and destruction"
Then select "TuneUp Shredder" Browse to the file you want gone & it has a 99.9999999% chance of being deleted and destroyed. This version of TU is a bit dangerous as it will even delete an in-use system file, so be careful.

Come back and tell me if it worked, please.



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April 23, 2011 9:14:40 AM

Well it is a pretty deep configurer and does some nice TweakUI settings. I did get it to tell me it would delete the file on boot up, but after the reboot, a message came up and said Reload software, it was corrupted. I checked and the file was still there, so I redid the Delete and reboot and the file is still there.....arghhhh,,,,, but I will keep this software it did a fine job otherwise. Thanks, but Next.......
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April 23, 2011 4:38:37 PM

Starmon said:
Well it is a pretty deep configurer and does some nice TweakUI settings. I did get it to tell me it would delete the file on boot up, but after the reboot, a message came up and said Reload software, it was corrupted. I checked and the file was still there, so I redid the Delete and reboot and the file is still there.....arghhhh,,,,, but I will keep this software it did a fine job otherwise. Thanks, but Next.......




Don't give up. I have another trick up my sleeve.

Download the file from below red link. Burn image to CD and boot with it. Skip network configuration when it is is starting (takes a minute to see while booting). Use file explorer function in same way you would use Windows Explorer and see if it can delete the file.


Click Me






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April 24, 2011 5:29:00 PM

Holy Shite,
That is a 156 meg file. Excuse me for being paranoid, but just exactly what is that file? And please clarify what you meant by,
skip network configuration? My system goes directly to Windows XP OS as my Netowrk has been 'setup' since I reinstalled the OS.

OBTW, thats for the help.

I also tried...Partition Logic (from UK) burned to a ISO CD and twice got multiple errors:

PS/2 mouse error...which I think is developers error of programming, never have mouse (wireless LASER) problems

KernalFileSystemMount (617) error ....no such disk "cd0"

KernalInitialize.c (395)

KernalMain.c (77)

...am going to e-mail developer and hope he has solution. THX^2 TjT-Starmon
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tigsounds said:
Don't give up. I have another trick up my sleeve.

Download the file from below red link. Burn image to CD and boot with it. Skip network configuration when it is is starting (takes a minute to see while booting). Use file explorer function in same way you would use Windows Explorer and see if it can delete the file.


Click Me



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April 24, 2011 8:02:31 PM

Starmon said:
Holy Shite,
That is a 156 meg file. Excuse me for being paranoid, but just exactly what is that file? And please clarify what you meant by,
skip network configuration? My system goes directly to Windows XP OS as my Netowrk has been 'setup' since I reinstalled the OS.




Fair question, 156 megs and all.

That file is Winternals ERD 2005. Is is a formidably powerful utility to perform many Windows repairs and functions.
The part about networking is because it will try to activate your network connection, part way through loading, for the purpose of copying files out of your system as a last-ditch method of saving your data. That program can do things I can't say here, but you will notice when it is running. Just look around when it is running at the things it can do. It does not get installed on your hard drive, it runs on it's own platform from memory, therefore you make a new CD from that image file and boot with that disk.

In 2006 Microsoft bought Winternals and since then the program has been nearly impossible to obtain. I keep it posted at 4shared.com for people like you that have a good reason to have and use it, otherwise it might be impossible to make the repairs you need done. It resembles Windows XP when it is running and has an Explorer feature nearly identical to Windows Explorer.

Download, burn to CD and don't lose it, you may need it again someday.




Edit: You have a PM
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April 25, 2011 12:53:56 AM

Thank you, but File Assassin did not work. I'll try on a reboot,
but it couldn't even recognize or see the file.

T.C.
TomT-
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April 25, 2011 4:57:33 PM

Starmon said:
Thanks again, but neither worked. Winternals is strong and may use it in the future, but File Assassin didn't see the file.
TomT




Goodness, you have a file from hell or something.

'Directory Snoop' does some things that are sometimes considered impossible.
Check it out
HERE



The last thing I know of is not easy to do and you probably wouldn't want to do it but I'll give a short description anyway, just in case..

Install a VM Workstation from VMWare, setup with raw disk access. Make the VM to run Windows 2000. Use the Win2K VM to delete the file. If it still won't be deleted, Use Diskprobe with Win2K to edit absolute sectors and manually edit the directory to remove your file and it will surely be gone then, but one false move and you loose everything on the disk.. a bit risky but a positive kill for the file.



Edit: If you were to use the last method above, you'll end up with orphaned file sectors abandoned in place on the drive but Chkdsk will find them and make them 'available' again.
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April 26, 2011 1:44:49 AM

928449,11,645819 said:
Goodness, you have a file from hell or something.

'Directory Snoop' does some things that are sometimes considered impossible.
Check it out
HERE

[#0800ff]The last thing I know of is not easy to do and you probably wouldn't want to do it but I'll give a short description anyway, just in case..

Install a VM Workstation from VMWare, setup with raw disk access. Make the VM to run Windows 2000. Use the Win2K VM to delete the file. If it still won't be deleted, Use Diskprobe with Win2K to edit absolute sectors and manually edit the directory to remove your file and it will surely be gone then, but one false move and you loose everything on the disk.. a bit risky but a positive kill for the file.

Thanks for the help, I'm just to burnt out from this weekend, I'll work on it tomorrow, but not luck yet. THX^2
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May 3, 2011 12:39:52 PM

Well, I've been prodded for the 2nd time to choose a 'best answer' to this problem. First let me say, I tried everything suggested. but this is a REALLY really immovable file, sector, glitch, whatever? I tried the Directory Snoop 5.11 FAT Module will work for USB drives and removed hundreds of dead/deleted files and are right now doing a drive wipe of free space, hoping this allow clears the deleted files, but I could not delete the problem file "RRaA". So noby gets the 'Best Answer'.
The fight continues. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........
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May 3, 2011 8:43:53 PM




Don't give up the ship... it ain't sunk yet. Don't sweat the 'Best Answer" stuff either. Very few of us here are drooling for a best answer, we do it because we want to help.

I can lead you to a couple more programs that "Might" help, but I'm uncertain right about now, but they won't hurt and can be really nice to have around at other times anyway.

First, there's "Attribute Changer" and this may be a good thing because your file apparently has some sort of attribute preventing it's demise. I have version 5.30 installed in my machine and it works great, but now there are newer versions but the author still has 5.30 on the site to download. You get whatever version you want. Since 5.30 worked so well, I see no reason the newer ones couldn't be even better.

Get Attribute Changer
HERE

Another small program that is worth it's salt is BC Wipe. I have been using an older free version but now there are newer one's and they may be charging for it?

The older version gives a warning a few times when installing that says "Unable to find the image handle" but that has never prevented it from working or performing properly. This is a context menu program (right click to use in Windows Explorer).

Get older version
HERE

Get new version HERE

Since you probably don't have VMWare Workstation in your machine, the running Win2K and using DiskProbe is not an option. There is still debug, but this is as dangerous as DiskProbe so better to stay away from that also.

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May 3, 2011 8:51:21 PM

WOW this problem is getting WAY out of hand!! Thank you so much for sticking with me TigSounds. Right now that free space WIPE, is still running 92%, but after I re-boot and try it again, I'll go to those new ideas. WOW, you sure have some connections. My local and trusted computer store Run PC, couldn't get 1/2 this deep. Fingers crossed & hoping my 'stars' aren't. TomT
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May 3, 2011 11:19:05 PM

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WOW, you sure have some connections



No more than anybody else, just need to look around... a lot.

I bought my first computer in 1975, an IMSAI 8080 and that changed my life forever.


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May 4, 2011 9:36:44 AM


Wiping only took 12 hours. and it did not take care of the previously deleted files, so I am now I'm cleaning up those pre-deleted files
I'm also wondering if by chance the RRaA is possibly Cross-linked between the two FAT directories?
I have a screengrab of the drive structure and was wondering is there any way to attach images to these questions? Or do I have to ftp it to my website? It shows drive structure as well as the 'root' file that is named with garbage characters.
The cleaning up is going to take a couple of days at the rate it is going now. AAaaarrgghhhh^2 !!
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May 4, 2011 4:07:13 PM

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I'm also wondering if by chance the RRaA is possibly Cross-linked between the two FAT directories?

No, Chkdsk /F would fix that.

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I have a screengrab of the drive structure and was wondering is there any way to attach images to these questions?

Easily done. The photo image file (jpg) is put on the web at a site someplace and added to your post by entering the URL and then drag-through the URL (making selection) and click the blue image button above where we enter our text. I use Photobucket.com as it is easy and they don't insert advertizing. It comes out looking something like this, but with your image of course...



I'm working on "The Nuclear Option" right now and will take a few hours or a day to complete. I'll make it as automatic as can be done. When finished, you'll have a new toy for your computer that will "amaze and daze" your friends and neighbors. Kind of a thing that will teach your computer that you are the human and it is only a machine. [:tigsounds]

In the meantime you can download and run the latest items I supplied links to a couple replies up, who knows, one of them may do the trick.... Tell your computer.. "I'll be back"




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May 5, 2011 7:36:53 AM

Here's the screengrab of the drive. whew, that was a stretch.
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May 5, 2011 4:04:00 PM




Hmmmm..... Can you do that again but with the slider on the right down just bit so we can see all the info for the suspect file? I don't see a starting cluster for that file and if it has no start, it's already dead and the space allocation is something else.

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May 5, 2011 5:31:38 PM

Here's another screen shot, think it has the info you were looking for
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May 5, 2011 5:58:48 PM



What can't be seen is the size. Is it zero? Creation date, modified, accessed.
The directory isn't pointing to any place on the drive for the file to exist.
It looks like a flaw in the directory structure. I assumed you ran Chkdsk /f on the drive but maybe not yet?




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May 5, 2011 6:23:55 PM

tigsounds said:
What can't be seen is the size. Is it zero? Creation date, modified, accessed.

'RRaA' is the only file in the Movies/ZZZ directory, it is listed just under the info box on top,
like 358.8meg and it sez it was a deleted .avi file (movie).


The directory isn't pointing to any place on the drive for the file to exist.
It looks like a flaw in the directory structure. I assumed you ran Chkdsk /f on the drive but maybe not yet?

Oh, yes, I ran chkdsk /F, no problems.



I also tried putting on the .avi extension and it said it couldn't 'read' the file.
http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/cry...
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May 5, 2011 8:00:12 PM




Make a new folder. Select all except that one file and cut/paste to the new folder.

Try BC Wipe to delete the old folder, which will automatically include the bum file.


I'm still working on a 'project' to deal with this thing. I am rather strict about what I put together for someone else. It must work, the first time and be totally transportable- that is to say it must run on any computer, any drive in that computer I test it on without trouble or I'm up another night working until it is right. This is a challenge and it's been awhile since a computer said no to me, so I'm determined.


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May 6, 2011 2:28:06 AM

I did try something like that early on, but will try again, just for the 'halibut' . THX Tigsounds !!
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May 6, 2011 4:07:20 AM

Hi Tigsounds, guess who. I tried the BC Wipe and the Attribute changer and nothing changed, not even an error dialog box came up. The file has no attributes that I can see and was written in 2008. So as I can tell it is an old movie file (.avi) that I DL'd P2P with Frostwire a long time ago and didn't want it anymore so deleted it and it just stayed resident. with no extension either. Except seen in DS-DAT, which I really like. I can tell a speed up of my drives (system) since I've been wiping those deleted files from the H:\Element drive and my C:\ drive.
So at least SOME good is coming from this. Good luck with that nuc' lee' er, software, you are developing. I've never had this resistant of a file either, so I'm rather flabbergasted myself.
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May 6, 2011 6:46:23 AM

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Good luck with that nuc' lee' er, software, you are developing. I've never had this resistant of a file either, so I'm rather flabbergasted myself.


Still working, has to be fit in around everything else in life. Having a bit of problems, some of this stuff I haven't dealt with in years but getting back into it. I'm hoping for tomorrow.




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May 8, 2011 3:59:44 AM




@Starmon

This is continued in a PM

Make sure your screen is showing the right column, if not, look for a link that says something like "Show the right column" that is located near the top right side of your screen.

BTW... The file is not named RRaA, except (incorrectly) as a DOS 8.3 alias. It's true name is "a Fox.avi"




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May 8, 2011 7:37:23 AM

tigsounds said:
@Starmon

This is continued in a PM

Never read a Personal Message on Tom's Hardware, where/how do I access that?


Make sure your screen is showing the right column, if not, look for a link that says something like "Show the right column"
that is located near the top right side of your screen.

Ok. right column....the Dos Alias Column? Or what am I looking for there? Pretty sure I saw all the columns.

BTW... The file is not named RRaA, except (incorrectly) as a DOS 8.3 alias. It's true name is "a Fox.avi"

Yes, did see that, but don't know what that gains me. Have tried deleting that filename, but didn't work.




Ding ding !!! Round 10.......
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May 10, 2011 9:22:04 PM

Guess What, TigSounds !!
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May 11, 2011 12:58:41 AM

TigSounds: His PM fix was:
Veteran

Convert does not move files anywhere. You can run Convert on a drive that is nearly full. It takes just a couple minutes to run. It's only going to change the drive from a FAT32 file system to NTFS file system. You can then store files larger than 4GB and it is not as risky if the power goes out while your computer is running. There are many benefits to having a drive be NTFS instead of FAT32. All the existing files in the drive stay, right where they are, they don't get moved or copied.


My Reply

Thank you Tigsounds, I did convert the File Structure and was able to delete the RRaA file and directory it was in, whew, what a work out. You get all the credit and if you are ever in my city I will buy you a beer or whatever you drink. I now have a 1T hard drive with capacity of 1,000,202,240,000 bytes, where before it was
976,521,578,000 bytes. So I gained a lot of space, too. Not just the 458Meg from that file.
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May 11, 2011 1:00:52 AM

Best answer selected by Starmon.
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May 11, 2011 1:21:46 AM

tigsounds said:
@Starmon
This is continued in a PM
Make sure your screen is showing the right column, if not, look for a link that says something like "Show the right column" that is located near the top right side of your screen.

BTW... The file is not named RRaA, except (incorrectly) as a DOS 8.3 alias. It's true name is "a Fox.avi


TigSounds: His PM fix was:
Veteran

Convert does not move files anywhere. You can run Convert on a drive that is nearly full. It takes just a couple minutes to run. It's only going to change the drive from a FAT32 file system to NTFS file system. You can then store files larger than 4GB and it is not as risky if the power goes out while your computer is running. There are many benefits to having a drive be NTFS instead of FAT32. All the existing files in the drive stay, right where they are, they don't get moved or copied.

My reply is at the end of thread.
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May 11, 2011 1:41:03 AM



The bad DOS 8.3 alias was the clincher.

Another one bites the dust (computers that say no to me). :lol: 

And Thanks for the vote. :D 

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