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November 24, 2008 4:49:11 PM

i been reading the forum for couple weeks, and now, i am more confused than when i started...
i do not have pre-set budget, but dont wanna go crazy ether. i got 22inch monitor, and Vista home 64 bit OS. Computer will be used for some high end games and some office work. i very often got multiple screens open, and that is the reason that i would like to go with Q9550. also, my kid asked me if she can play Crysis on the new computer, thats how i pick mu graphic card.
The size of the case is not of any importance to me, so i guess, the bigger, the better. Also, i was thinking of 4-6GB of memory. HD should be fast and big, 600-800GB.
i plan to made all my purchases on NewEgg this week.
My biggest problem is MB and memory that will work with it. Also, do i need aftermarket cooler for the CPU if i want to OC it.
Any advice will be greatlyappriciated.

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November 24, 2008 5:44:09 PM

If you plan on OCing I would suggest an aftermarket cooler. There are some really good ones out there for this cpu. This is only one good example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Depending on how high of an overclock you plan on going for
low-mid overclock Motherboard aka my recomendation:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

high end overclock
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Ram i would suggest ddr2 800mhz. Unless you plan on doing some high end overclocking which i would look at 1200mhz sticks then.

Need a few of these questions answered to give better answers
Do you plan on running sli or cf?
Resolution for your monitor?
Range you plan on OCing to?
PSU?
November 24, 2008 6:00:22 PM

thanks for the fast response.
plan is to definitely add another one HD 4870 later on for CF. right now monitor is 22inch 1680X1050, but in the future i will go to 24+ size, hence second GC. i ma not planing to OC to much, just whatever is safe and stable.
i need recommendation on PSU, i hope that 750W should be sufficient, even with 2 4870 cards in CF.
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November 24, 2008 6:13:47 PM

Intel Core i7 920 Nahelem
Asus P6T-Deluxe X58 LGA1366 or delux OC


4096Mb 4Gb DDR3 1600 - better the 6 even better 12 :) 
500Gb WD 7200RPM SATA2 16M * 2 RAID 0
ATI Radeon HD 4870 1gb
Antec Nine Hundred
1100W CoolerMaster - over kill 750 is fine.
MS Windows VISTA Ultimate 64

Will give you the same performance (with potential) as what you plan to get but is a little newer and cost about the same.

The single GPU card is fine and when prices come down you can crossfire them. Making good use of that 750W PSU. Also The case dose not really matter but you can easily over clock this to 3.2 running the stock fan.

P.S tooo lazy to sign in :) 


November 24, 2008 6:15:48 PM

As long as its a higher quality psu a 750 should be fine. If you plan on doing cf i would not reccomend going lower than a 750. The most important thing about a PSU is its amp's vs its wattages. Crossair, antec, pc power and cooling all make good psu's around that range.

Then I would go for the Asus p5q pro. Good bang for your buck board if your not going crazy overclocking.

Go with ddr2 800mhz ram. You won't need anything more than that.

As a heads up with a 1680X1050 resolution for your monitor about any game that I can think of will run just great given a 4870 graphics card. Might not even need to do cf unless you plan on getting a better resolution monitor? Maybe your future 24" will be?
November 24, 2008 6:22:37 PM

I recommend you get a HG4870 X2 card now. That way you can get a P45 mobo, instead of paying at least $100+ more for an X38/X48 mobo that is required to run two cards in CF properly.
November 24, 2008 6:27:42 PM

but don't you think that HG4870 X2 may be overkill for 1680X1050 resolution. plus, its way more expensive...
November 24, 2008 6:33:57 PM

I think his point was that you would be paying over $100 more for and X48 motherboard, and then may purchase another 4870 in the future (another $200+), so you could get a 4870x2 now and be better off.

It's still up to you, but I believe that's what he meant.
November 24, 2008 6:39:45 PM

+1 on shortstuff_mt: that 750 watt PCP&C unit is legendary, and that price is a steal. I really don't need one, but I may pick one up at that price.

For coolers, on a whim I just replaced my Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7 with a Xigmatek 120mm Rifle. The ACFP7 has a pretty loyal following, but the Xigmatek is either the #1 or 2 ranked cooler available, depending on ranking. It is a steal at $22. I am shocked that it dropped my temps 10 degrees from the ACFP7--wow! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD is easy: either the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for $69 (old generation) or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (new generation). I would drop the extra $15 on the new one--it is supposedly as fast as the previous Raptor drives.

GPU: From my reading, anything more than a 4850 on a 22" monitor is overkill--certainly crossfire is. But that said, I will drop the extra coin on the 4870 for a 22" myself ;) . May want to consider a good 4850 (i.e., an OC'd one), and then eventually get another for crossfire down the road.

Board: +1 on Kubes. That ASUS is the one to get. I disagree with DXrick: a P45 with 1*16 and 1*8 PCI will NOT bottleneck crossfire noticeably (in contrast with a P35 board that has a 1*16 and 1*4).
November 24, 2008 7:03:18 PM

Appreciate all the help! this is great, helping community...
So, for now, this is the setup:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core - $320.00

ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $115.00

SAPPHIRE 100257L Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail - $230.00

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail $37.00

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $85.00

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $110.00

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail $120.00

it looks that this is shaping to be decent rig. do i need retention bracket for the cooler? can you recommend any particular memory, and how much is justified? do i need any type of thermal paste? Is this GC too big for the case?
November 24, 2008 7:10:00 PM

I would take a close look at the PC Power & Cooling 750W PSU I linked above. It's at least the same quality as the Corsair and is a great price right now.

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99

This G.Skill RAM is about as good as it gets. DDR2 800 with 4-4-4-12 timings and 1.8v.

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $6.99

MX-2 is great thermal paste. It doesn't require a curing time and is non-conductive.

The retention bracket is out of stock right now, but is well worth it over those stupid push pins.

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $8.49
November 24, 2008 7:30:02 PM

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core - $320.00

ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $115.00

SAPPHIRE 100257L Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail - $230.00

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail $37.00

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $85.00

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $110.00

PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail $80.00

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail $9.00

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail $7.00

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $50.00

OK, i changed PSU, this one is cheaper and it appear to be about the same quality. will it make sense to maybe go for 8GB of memory?
November 24, 2008 7:33:33 PM

From a retail point of view.

I'm not going to search for the prices because I did it earlier and it came out to be $ 100 more. But if your going to build a whole new system now and you aren't pulling pieces from old computers. I would go with the i7 MOBO/Chip. Rather than "out dated" technology.

(not saying they are bad and still good if you know what your doing)



November 24, 2008 7:44:10 PM

The build looks great. There isn't really a reason to go with 8GB other than the very low price on DDR2 at the moment. Running four sticks of RAM is harder on the motherboard and can cause stability issues. Vista runs great with 4GB. That actually brings up another important question. What OS will you be running? You'll need a 64-bit OS to use all 4GB.

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99
November 24, 2008 7:49:53 PM

yes, it will be Vista 64bit, SP1
November 24, 2008 8:17:54 PM

Sorry I missed the Newegg.com only thing so it is a little more expensive by about $300 but the benifits.....

Crucial 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT3KIT25664BA1067 - Retail
$195

Or

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$114

ASUS P6T Deluxe/OC Palm ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$338.99

OR

MSI X58 Platinum LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$220

and

Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz LGA 1366 Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$300
Which gives you the same performance as the q9550.. better if you overclock it.

November 24, 2008 8:40:19 PM

thanks for the input, AdenWolf. i just can not justify i7 at this point. i think that price of MB and memory is just to high for performance that is not that much better. it may make more sense for somebody who can OC it to hell, but it will be to much hustle for me...
November 24, 2008 9:44:10 PM

The Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz will be great for your build.

You might get a mild overclock with the stock cooler, but any real overclocking and you'll want an aftermarket.

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail - $31.99
This is a very popular cooler and should give you excellent results.
The retention bracket is also highly recommended, but it's out of stock right now (they should have more in soon). This retails for $8.49 according to the egg.
EDIT: avadirect.com has one, but it's $14.56 link

Motherboard with crossfire (full x16/x16) you'll want the x48 chipset:
GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4
would work well.

I just used Gigabyte as a baseline for that board, ASUS boards with the same chipset would also be a good choice.

Cases: an atx mid tower case will be fine for your uses.
Something like the Antec 900 (which I use) or an equivalent from CoolerMaster or Thermaltake would be fine choices. Of course, then you have to choose a power supply, as they are not included on those. Something like the PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS750QBL 750W or better.

RAM, 4GB should be just perfect for your needs. DDR2 800 that operates at 1.8v with cas 4 or 5
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 Dual Channel Kit



November 24, 2008 10:00:27 PM

The build you have looks very nice. If I were to build today, it would be similar.

Another +1 to the PC Power and Cooling - I am tempted to replace my PSU with it as well, even though mine is still OK.

Have fun with your build.
November 25, 2008 4:24:39 AM

Nice build!

It is similar to my current wish list: WishList

I am choosing the VelicoRaptor more for reliability than speed, since it will be my development and gaming PC. I have a 21" monitor that does 1600x1200 max.

I may go with the Antec 900 case too and am not settled on the PSU, but 750W is overkill for a single GPU setup.

I agree that the Core i7 is not good, if you are only going to get the 920. The X58 mobos have the LGA 1366 CPU slot. The future P55 mobo will have a different slot for the future processors (due Q3 2009). And, ATI and Nvidia will be releasing faster GPUs in the near future too. So CF (or a single X2 card) is not really necessary at lower resolutions (with the possible exception of Crysis).
November 25, 2008 10:53:33 AM


I think you have to decide what you want. A budget system that you can mod for cheaply. Or a decent system.

I think you are making a mistake if you get the build your posted compared to the one I suggested.

This is only an example, I did not really take the time to prove my point or Compare all hardware options. I can get more info if you want, however, this little example should convey my meaning.

Your Build My build
Q9550: $320 I7 920 $300
Asus P5q: $115 Asus P6t deluxe/OC 340 :: or msi X58 $220
DDR2 4gb 800: $50 DDR3 4gb $114 :: DDR3 6 GB $195

Total $485 $634 vs (835 premium)

(all other parts same)

Differance Price basic $145 Premimum $ 350

Benifits: Newer system full directx 10 support (make use of your GPU)
Memmory:Higher bandwidth performance, Improved latencies,
Enhanced low power features, Improved thermal design
MOBO Chipset
CPU all entensive purpose equal performance to the 3.2 GHz intel core 2 extreme qx 9770

Bench marks
2.93 GHz Core i7 940 system run a 3DMark Vantage benchmark and gave a CPU score of 17,966.
2.66 GHz Core i7 920 scores 16,294.
3.20 Ghz Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770, scores 13,182.

Side note the i7 920 mem controller is only 800/1066 MHz however I chose the 1600 for overclocking and future upgrade ability.

Honestlyl are you really going to buy the new architecure day one in Q3 2009?!

I think you need to decide exactly what you want and why. But I strongly urge for between, $150 and $400, a little bit of investment now you will not feel left wanting.

There are many ways to get the kind of performace you will get with the above system a lot cheaper if you know how to mod and customize. However out of the box you are getting a much better system with no need to mod at this stage. Better potential in the future to continue to use the parts.

P.s Sorry grammer. In a bit of a rush.
November 25, 2008 1:05:43 PM

i apologize if you felt that i ignored your setup! there is no doubt in my mind that i7 configuration will beat q9550 any day of the week... however, as most people here, i based my selection on financial aspect first!
new technology is always sexy, and cool. like 18 year old girl. i just do not wanna spend extra money to enjoy it. i rather settle for 22 year old, and then dump her in a few years:-)
i must be much older than you are...
November 25, 2008 3:14:29 PM

ninohec said:
i apologize if you felt that i ignored your setup! there is no doubt in my mind that i7 configuration will beat q9550 any day of the week... however, as most people here, i based my selection on financial aspect first!
new technology is always sexy, and cool. like 18 year old girl. i just do not wanna spend extra money to enjoy it. i rather settle for 22 year old, and then dump her in a few years:-)
i must be much older than you are...
:lol: 
November 25, 2008 3:18:37 PM

For the price of a night out on the town or a good bottle of wine you can have a significant performance increase, aprox 20% over the qx 9770 for 1/4 of the price. The 3.2ghz qx 9770 cost $1300, you chose: q9550 cost $315 (with a significant drop in performance as you are no longer OC) , The i7 920 cost $300.
I was mearly suggesting that you get much better value for you money by investing a little bit more now. (due to cost of ddr 3 mem and MOBO).
All the other components you posted are near top of the line, I find it a little strange that you would sell out short here. If you had of chosen a chip like the Core 2 duo E8400-8600 the GTX 8800 graphics card. I would have understood your budget limitations as for current games and office applications you would not notice a considerable difference with your posted system.
However, with the posted system your presented I have to question your financial judgment or your understanding of the components your buying. You a getting neither a good gameing budget system nor a upgradeble high-end system.
If you already had the MOBO or chip or memory, I would understand the cost saving and the upgrade.
To build a new system at this time and not choose the lower end I7 with the kind equipment your buying.....

It's your decision in the end I just wanted to make sure you were certain before you went ahead. Its a good amount of money your spending already, to feel even the slightest bit regreatful in a week or two really sucks (from experience).

I just want to clarify it's not a bad build. If someone gave me that computer I would not complain. My main concern is your buying a complete new system and price cutting in the wrong place. I will see if I can put togeather a good i7 build for the same price as posted.

Don't forget if you are not going to eventually CF your GPU you can get away with a 550watt PSU despite the recommendation 600 if you really want to be save and not sure about the quality.

You can't be older than me since I wouldn't even consder going back to sleeping with anyone over the age of 20. They're already too old for my tastes :) .
November 25, 2008 4:17:21 PM

Oh brother!!!! Here is a good test of the i7's versus the Q9650 and Q9450 (you can figure that the Q9550 is between the two): The Dark Knight: Intel's Core i7

Look at the General Application and Gaming tests, which is what the OP wants this PC for.

If/when he needs a faster puter, the LGA 1366 processors will be obsolete.

I am 45 and seem to share the OP's value of money.
December 1, 2008 4:16:39 AM

Okay, I read that. Now what should anyone take from it??? Stating that the $284.00 i7-920 is only as fast as the $1400.00 QX9770 is not something to cry over. If any thing it just proved its worth it to go with an i7 system. And that the i7 system is less expensive to build than a QX9770.

Then the statement "it also remains to be seen what will happen to the Nehalem market once Intel introduces the LGA-1156 version next year for lower price points." So......

Whats your point???

The current quad cores will be obsolete first. What makes you think any chip, mobo, ram, pwr supply, video card, or hard drive put out today will not be replaced in 6 months.
Nothing is future proof.

I was on the edge but I will go for the i7 setup. My purpose is editing and gaming and it will be a much better fit.

Thanks for the link it helped.
December 1, 2008 1:29:03 PM

I'll definitely also be going for the i7, but will wait a couple months to see how prices adjust. The easy overclocking of the i7 setups are a great draw for me, and since I am huge into multi-tasking, I think this setup will also fit me better. However, quad-cores are still going to be useful for a while. I can see them still being usable in 2 years easily. I am still using an 866 MHz comp, until I build my i7, and it works decently enough for me at the moment. I am about ready to treat myself to some real speed. And yes, I am 21 :) 
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