I am looking to get a decent cooling solution for my Q600 on a ASUS p5K SE/EPU motherboard.
Currently I am running a lot hotter than what I think is acceptable, and am using the stock heatsync and fan against my better judgment. It averages around 83-86 degrees F.
My goal for this unit is to over clock to between 3.4 and 4 GHz. From what I have found in research, not only is the factory heat sync junk, but also come most of the time in need of lapping since they are warped. The easiest solution is to just replace the heatsync in my opinion.
I have had a few brands and suggestions tossed out to me so far for other locations, but what do you guys think? I do not mind pulling the board out to install a decent solution for this, as I am looking at functionality here, not ease of install. Although liquid cooling has came a long way, I want to maintain my air cooling for now as I am a bit worried about leakages.
Also, can you guys give me an idea what the flow ratio should be on case fans? I added a Syther 3600 RPM 120 MM case fan and am running that wide open and it only made a difference of about a degree, when this product has been known to drop the temp up to 10 degrees when running full out. Currently, there is a 80 MM blowing in, a matching blowing out, and now the syther 120 MM that is also pushing out. I am probably pushing about 170-185 out, and probably about 30-40 in is this a good ratio? or perhaps I should switch one of the fans?
I am worried that this is gonna over heat my processor or drastically shorten its lifespan, and at the temp it is now, i cant even consider the overclocking which was originally intended for this CPU. I realize Quads run hotter, but this seems way to hot to me when people with 3.4 Ghz overclocks are running at way below my current temp, it makes me seriously think there is a problem. Would appreciate some help.
What type of case are you using? (Will matter for the better CPU air coolers.)
As for your case fan to CPU temp issue, the Intel cooler is not worth <....>. However, it almost sounds like the heatsink is not even working as well as most people actually get from it.
Is it properly attached to your system board? Did the heatsink have the appropriate amount/size of the thermal paste/pad on it? Etc...
Without prior knowledge of your case, one of the easiest ways to shop for heatsinks is to simply go to Newegg, limit your selection to Intel socket LGA 775 heatsinks, and read reviews from people.
Further, look through the reviews of one of the "newest" ones, and they include charts for all of their testing heatsink/coolers.
The CPU cooler was one of the parts that I recently upgraded (stock Intel E6750 to the "old" Sunbeam cooler) due to my upgrade to an Antec 300 case. (Which could hold the cooler on my 680i lt MB in an upward, instead of rear, blowing orientation.)
My case is a Apevia Black X-Dreamer Mid Tower ATX Case.
I am not sure. I am not the one that installed it. I had a friend that was certified as a B/R specialist do it encase of bad parts ruining the others since it was a complete custom build with parts from companies I had never used before. I do know how to install them, but let him encase a part was bad and needed to be replaced. That way his insurance would pick up the cost rather than me paying for new parts or fighting with the companies.
This time, I am planning to do it myself. I do not have thermal grease on hand to check and reseat it, but plan to pick up some Articfox thermal paste soon.
What I do know is that he said it started at running around 65 degrees F, but recently has been hotter. I am thinking thermal paste is part of the problem. The heat sync probably needs to be lapped as well if it is going to be reused. Something I don't plan on doing.
I spoke to intel and they are trying to tell me that the acceptable temp for this processor is anything under 159 degrees F... or 71 degrees C. In my experience, anything over 65 degrees F is bad for them. They are willing to RMA the processor for a new one to see if it helps solve the issue.
I am gonna ship that to them to get my new one, and then will will use the new heat sync on that. Apparently, it voids the warranty to use 3rd party (non-intel) heat syncs on these, which was news to me. Either way it has to be done. The OCing would void it anyways.
Interesting to note the warranty issue with non-Intel heat syncs, as I had not heard that before. (But, it make since...Intel tests the processor with their heatsink.)
I spoke to intel and they are trying to tell me that the acceptable temp for this processor is anything under 159 degrees F... or 71 degrees C. In my experience, anything over 65 degrees F is bad for them. They are willing to RMA the processor for a new one to see if it helps solve the issue.
so in your experience anything over 65F is too hot, you do realise that 65F is about 18C, so anything over room temperature is too hot is it? what exactly is your experience...
Yes, most of my systems have run extremely cool. I go out of my way to keep them this way, so they last longer and perform better. I have been doing my own repairs and upgrades normally for the past 8.5 years almost 9 years.
I had a cereron D 3.46 which is a pretty warm processor and a voltage hog to boot, and that normally stayed below that at full load. It averaged around 60-65 degrees. For that one, I used a cooler master heat sync, and a adapter bracket and placed a 120 MM fan over the top. Also, the other 2 case fans were also similarly replaced. This worked very well. That was piece of junk Emachines computer. I gave that to my sister when I finished getting this one built.
I also had a number of older computers as well that I have done similar things to. One of which finally gave out on me after 13 years of use. First by my entire family and then me. (The cooling system upgrades were done in the last 3 years of its life.) Normally, it has been sufficient to keep enough air moving to keep them cool. With this quad processor, and this case I have, it is not that simple. Fans alone are not the answer for this particular computer Normally a 3 (out) to 1 (in) ratio has been successful for me.
Also note, that I keep my house set to around 55 degrees year round. So expecting a lower temp is not unreasonable when the ambient temp is lower. In most cases factory heat sync should keep the temp within 15 degrees of the ambient temp under load. So to expect this processor to be around 65-70 degrees in my opinion isn't that unreasonable.
The fact that a large majority of computer techs I have spoke to agree, that this CPU is too hot, only confirms my suspicion. Pretty much all of the techs I spoke to told me that this processor should not be breaking over 65-70 degrees at my current room temp. All of them have told me to replace the heatsync because it is garbage and is my probably culprit.
Message edited by NibblesDaCat on 02-18-2009 at 05:01:43 AM
I doubt you'll see much difference, my room swings from 15C to 25C and I only get a 5C swing in idle temp. I'd expect that a maintained 13C room temp would give you maybe 4C lower idle temp. Not the 15-20 from a normal idle that you seem to be expecting.
Different processors have had different thermal limits my old barton 3200+ XP idled in the high 50's my C2D idles in mid 30's. So a main
Actually, the room temp is 55 degrees F not 55 degrees C which would be 12.7 degrees C.
55 degrees C =131 degrees F
At least according to the temp converter on my phone. As I don't recall the exact formula anymore for conversion I used that. Also, if you doubt my cell phones ability to convert temps, here is a link to a website with a temp converter:
http://www.onlineconversion.com/temperature.htm
And yes, I do know the difference between Fahrenheit and Celsius. Would you prefer I post them in Kelvin instead? I know the difference between that as well, and can just as easily use that.
Perhaps, since this processor runs a bit hotter being a quad core, my expectations for it is a bit high. However, the fact remains, it is running much hotter than it should be and and that needs to be addressed.
Message edited by NibblesDaCat on 02-19-2009 at 09:43:06 AM
[quotemsg=1907915,10,391609]Actually, the room temp is 55 degrees F not 55 degrees C which would be 12.7 degrees C.
55 degrees C =131 degrees Fquotemsg]
which is why i assumed (correctly) that you knew the difference.
the 'fact' that it is running a lot hotter than it should be is being disputed, 86F (your stated running temp from your first post, although not stated as idle or load) is a very good idle temp for stock cooling, and an amazing load temp for stock (or anything else for that matter)
my dual core on stock in a cool (17C) room, idling at 39-40C (104F) in a good case with a decent amount of air flow.
you state in a later post that intel (the manufacturer of said chip) say 71F to 131F is ok, but you declare that in your experience above 65F is bad.
By the way constantly changing units in a post is annoying and confuses the issue.
This is why I have normally stayed to degrees F, or posted BOTH temps.
The reason that I suggest the chip is too hot, is I have located sources that have the same chipset overclocked with stock cooling at a lower temp. In my opinion, this makes it too hot. However, we all have one, so it just happens to be mind that it is running hotter than I like.
The fact that the supplied heatsync is junk, has yet to be disputed. That happens to be the main issue here anyways, is finding a good replacement for the junk that shipped with it. Though I do thank you for your input on the running temps to give a comparison.
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