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This is my first build, and I was hoping to solicit some advice, as there seem to be few expert computer users with my needs. The needs are simple and might be best represented by a typical scenario. I play no games--its mostly research. At this point computer experts I have talked to say i don't need anything special to do academic work...but i have been VERY dissatisfied with 1500 dollar pre built computers for a few years now and want to learn to build my own. I have seen debate regarding the differences between faster duo cores versus slightly slower quad cores. Newegg suggestd the choice depends on apps being used. Any help would be appreciated!
1)Typical applications running in some combination:
o Adobe reader (30 instances--yes I need many papers open)
o Power Desk or Directory opus
o Google desktop
o NOD32
o Spysweeper
o Task switcher
o Zone alarm Pro
o Acronis True Image
o Windows media player
o Winedt
o Yap
o constant Latex compilations
o VPN network
o Google IM
o Outlook
o IE explorer (10)
o Nero—usually ripping or burning something
o Maple10
o Mathematica 6
o Quicken—banking notifications
o some kind of Registry Patrol app (just to kill broken shortcuts &safe stuff)
o Math type 5
o Deep fritz 8 chess program
o Download manager
o Password manager
o Wintasks for killing all unnecessary processes/services
o Blue tooth synch with laptop
o wi fi Connection utility
o Running scheduled cleanup tasks
Autohothey
I'll be running most of these together (except e.g. maple and mathmatica), streaming some news, and I want to make a computer that will do all this without a hicup. I don't want to notice when my backups/scans etc are running.
2) I am running two large digital flat panel monitors
3) On board sound is fine (on, say, a nice ASUS)
4) Sometimes all the programs will be shut down except mathematica, which will be doing a calculation for perhaps hours, or until it says uncle.
5) As I said I am not gaming at all, but I dont want to have to go to 16 bit color to free up resources either.
6) I don't want to change from XP 64 bit. I just want everything to run smooth and not distract me from the work--preferably ever. I'm not doing this build because im interested in it--for me this thing is just a tool. I hope you will help people like that too :) .
7) I want to apply the doctrine of overwhelming computation power: I want to be able to do all this with like...half my resources. This is because it wont be long till each of my application updates add some baloney i dont need but cant get rid of without taking time to think about it.
8) Say 4 or so 1Tb internal hard drives
9) really nice dvd burner and a dvd player/cdrom burner.
So...I guess first things first...do I get a q6600 or a faster duo core e series, or something I dont know about?
10) are there benchmarking sites dedicated to seeing how components perform under what i have noticed is quite normal academic use. (in e.g. math and physics departments)
 

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Whats your budget?

Is all you need is the box? Do you need a mouse/keyboard/speakers/ect?

Tell me these things and we can go from there.


I7 is calling your name. :D
 

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as for budget...there is nothing really more important to me than my computer....more than my car, but i dontwant to spend more than necessary to do the things i want
 

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So i7 (920 or more if you can afford it), 3x2GBs of DDR3 ram, and an x58 motherboard. I don't think there are any with onboard video yet, so you'll have to buy a video card. A cheap 9500GT is more then enough.
 

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after googling i7 920, i'm getting the distinct impression that REALLY replacing paper articles with electronic files requires some computing power. I was always led to think it does not! You dont put a paper article back in your desk drawer every time you refer to it...you leave it open on your desktop for reference. Does ASUS make n x58?
 

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I'd go with ASUS or Gigabyte for X58's, newegg will list them for you. Some will be priced higher than others because the vendor has paid to have nVidia patch the motherboard to work in SLI mode (two nvidia graphics cards). Since you won't be using this, might as well make sure you DONT buy one that can do SLI since it'll save some $.

Are you comfortable with overclocking the processor a little? I'd recommend doing at least a small overclock since processors these days can handle it easily and it's fairly simple to figure out after going through a few forum posts and/or how-to guides. If overclocking a bit get a direct touch heatsink, great value: Xigmatek, OCZ Vendetta 2, or Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer.

For your needs it sounds like the new Core i7 is the way to go even though it's not really the best $/value most of the time. It won't be a $4k computer but definitely there are cheaper options. a Q9550 on a P45 motherboard with a 4850 with 8GB of DDR2-800 for example would also be a solid system and cost less. The main difference for you, though, is that the new processor Core i7 architecture is much more powerful than the previous gen (ie Q9550's) and you're doing some heavy CPU work. Maybe do a google search for reviews on each processor to see the sorts of speed differences that exist so you can get a feel for it and then decide if the price difference is justified based on your needs.

However, I'm not entirely clear on what the primary function of the computer will be; whether it's the processing of the programs or being able to handle a gazillion windows/programs at the same time. If its the gazillion windows/programs more so than brute CPU power to edit/convert/calculate things then I'd say the 8GB of RAM with the Q9450 might actually make more sense for you.

Phenom II seems to be doing very very well based on some early info and it's going to be here in Q1, but I'm guessing you'd like to jump on some sales this weekend or over boxing week so that may not be an option to wait for - just an FYI.

Good luck!
 

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Thanks so much! I really appreciate. I will do some research to get up to speed (never heard of i7 before today) Now I know the ballpark hardware I need to do what i want. I really did not know. Funny story: At circuit city I told the guy "Word processing, research, math programs etc..." he said "no gaming...you can do it on my grandmothers computer" Thanks again!
 

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roadrunner: i would be happy to pay a small fee to have it done right, but i fear that in the end, my continued stupidity on these issues will come back to haunt me again and again! I should learn.
 

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A good place to start would be checking out some other threads on new systems, both i7 (920) and C2Q (Q9550) and then doing a price comparison @ newegg. And checking out some reviews as well.

Two systems to start with:

i7 processor (ie, 920)
X58 motherboard
6GB DDR3 tri-channel RAM

vs

C2Q processor (ie, Q9550)
P45 motherboard
8GB DDR2-800 dual channel RAM

Then things like power supplies, PC Power and Cooling 610W or Corsair 620W depending on what's on sale. Antec is a good brand as well. I prefer the ATI 4xxx cards these days so I would go with a 4850 for two monitor support and pic quality. One of the heatsinks in my other post if you want to try a little bit of overclocking (strongly suggest you read a little on it, it's not as hard as you might think!).

The new Coolermaster HAF case has caught my eye, it's a full tower case so lots and lots of room to work in and keep hard drives. Coolermaster's 690 case is probably the best value case on the market (IMO). A couple extra Scythe fluid bearing 120mm fans (search using SFF21F or SFF21E) will help keep the heat out of the case and they last much longer than ball or sleeve bearing fans.

Cheers
 

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Cool. All you got to do is come here and ask for help if you need any.

There is alot of great knowledgeable people on here.

If theres any benches you would like me to run on mine just let me know.

After I get my SSDs there will be nothing holding this baby back.
 

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Core i7 Build
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail $294.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

ASUS P6T Deluxe LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $299.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131346

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231225

*SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM $24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171

*Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

Thermalright Ultra120 eXtreme-1366 RT Premium Heatpipe Cooler for Intel LGA1366 $74.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=46_450&products_id=24727

*OCZ OCZTFRZTC Freeze Extreme Thermal Conductivity Compound - Retail $6.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835202006

*ESET Smart Security Home Edition V3.0 - OEM $54.99 (personal firewall, antispam, and the same antivirus and antispyware protection delivered by ESET NOD32, which also works for XP64 OS)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832114004

Alternate Intel 775socket Build
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail $309.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

ASUS Maximus II Formula LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $259.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131319

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $49.99 (New DDR2 800 CL4 @ 1.8v~1.9v)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail $36.99($26.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail $8.49 (Out of Stock right now)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233019

Core i7 costs = $1056.88 (without Case, graphic card and PSU)
Intel 778 costs = $812.41 (without Case, graphic card and PSU)

Core i7 costs + Case, graphic card and PSU (Corsair, EVGA and either case) = $1506.86 (plus shipping costs)
Intel 778 costs + Case, graphic card and PSU (Corsair, EVGA and either case) = $1262.39 (plus shipping costs)

Case, graphic card and PSU Choices
These are 2 of the top cases you should look at. One is on sale this Monday(Cyber Monday).

Antec Twelve Hundred ATX Full Tower Case $179.99(original cost), $119.99 (CyberMonday sale price) Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W Power Supply - Retail $104.99 ($69.99 after $35.00 Mail-In Rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

Do not know your preferance for graphic card, but would suggest either one of these HIS or Sapphire for the 4870 (costing in range from $230 to 270) or EVGA GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit ($240 to 260 range, which I know has drivers for XP64 OS)

Antec TruePower Quattro 1000W SLI/CrossFire Ready Power Supply $249.99(original price), $129.99 (Cyber Monday sale price) Free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371012

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/429317.aspx

Optional Software
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders - OEM $159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116493

Hope this helps you out.
 

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First of all thanks to all my new friends at Tom's Hardware! All of you helped so much. As things stand now I intend to splurge :bounce: on this machine. I'm thinking of going with the i7 965/ 12GB of RAM/ 4 drives Yoosty suggested/ 2dvd players/ the graphics card yoosty suggested/ the ASUS P6T/.

My questions are:
1) do I need to get the 1000W power supply with this setup or will the corsair 750 be fine? Remember the 2 large monitors and printer and whatever I will hook up on the usb's.
2) are you sure all of this will fit into the ANTEC 1200 Case?
3) I'm not in a desperate rush (I want to aim for after christmas sales)...so do you think the i7 965 will come down a bit in price by then?
4) I internd to overclock "a bit" and have been reading about it. Can I do this fairly easily with my setup?
5) Will the necessary cooling mechanisms be so loud that i will throw the machine out the window? :fou:
6) Is anybody pissed that I wont even play tetris on this crazy monster :D .

Again, thanks all.
 

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My answers:

1)I think the corsair 750 should be fine. That is a very good psu. It's pushing boarderline but should be able to handle your rig.

2)this stuff will easly fit into an ANTEC 1200 Case. That's a big big guy.

3)The i7 965 probally will not come down in price after christmas. Are you really really sure you need this?

4) Yes all i7 cores are very OCable. This with your motherboard you should be good to have a nice OC if you want.

5) This hard to answer.

6) *raises hand* :(

I guess it helps us tweak your system if you are looking more for a <$2000 rig or a $4000 rig.
 

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thanks for the reply!
1) No I'm not sure I really need the 965...please argue with me. The math programs are obviouslycpu intensive...but if i have a REAL problem I can go to school and maybe find something better. Mostly, I will be doing the things i listed in the first post.
2) I will be working in an office where it will be quiet (without the computer) and I need an environment "you could do your math homework in"
3) With no sales I found all the parts on newegg for about 2600
any advice appreciated!
 

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Must be one heck of a nice school to have computers that will be better than the one your currently building. The i7 was just released a few weeks ago. Its design was not based off gaming but for people just like you. I think you'll be just fine with a i7 920, instead of the extreme version.

You should post the list of items that you currently have peiced out and let us have at it. We can really disect it and give you the best bang for your buck pc at that point.
 

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Yeah...I wont find it in a lab...but maybe CS dept will give time on a big machine...i dont know. Ok, I am quite happy to hear 920 will work well. I will post the list soon. Thanks for all your help.
 

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Hello all.

I think I am basically ready to start buying! Below is what I am thinking. Would someone please recheck the things I really want to do on the machine and make sure I have about DOUBLE the resources necessary to handle it? I would appreciate it so much.




Core i7 Build
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail $294.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115202

ASUS P6T Deluxe LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $299.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131346

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231225

*SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM $24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151171

*Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136218

Thermalright Ultra120 eXtreme-1366 RT Premium Heatpipe Cooler for Intel LGA1366 $74.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/cat [...] s_id=24727

*OCZ OCZTFRZTC Freeze Extreme Thermal Conductivity Compound - Retail $6.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835202006

Antec Twelve Hundred ATX Full Tower Case $179.99(original cost), $119.99 (CyberMonday sale price) Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129043

Antec TruePower Quattro 1000W SLI/CrossFire Ready Power Supply $249.99(original price), $129.99 (Cyber Monday sale price) Free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817371012

EVGA GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit graphics card


 

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the last post is just the general direction e.g. i may get the i7 965 instead and will get 12G RAM etc... Please let me know if these things will make a difference. Thanks again.
 

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If you get the i7 965 over the 920 you have more money then brains.

The only reason to get 965 is to have the fastest if you werent gonna OC, but since you are, the 965 and the 920 both run 4.0, and neither is faster then the other at the same speed.
 

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Great. Talk me out of it...are you saying that the OC'd 965 is the same speed as the OC'd 920. Including the `FSB' numbers. If so I am convinced. But I'd like to hear you make the claim with complete precision.

Thanks roadrunner!