Is this worth 300 USD

Or is this better about the same price..

Processor AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5000+ Socket AM2
CPU Fan AMD Original AM2 CPU Fan
Motherboard ECS nVidia GeForce 7050M-M Motherboard
Memory 4GB DDR II 800 Memory 240 Pin (Major Brand) 　
Hard Drive Western Digital 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA II
Optical Drive LG 22X DVD RW + Dual Layer
Video ATI Radeon HD 3450 PCI Express, 512MB, DVI, VGA & HDTV Out
Audio Realtek ALC662 6-channel HD Audio
Network Card Onboard 10/100 Network Card
Ports 6 USB 2.0 Ports, 1 Serial
Case 1285 Deluxe Black Tower Case
Power Supply 450 Watt Power Supply

While neither can be considered a "gaming computer" by any stretch of the imagination... the AMD build is better for the budget. Which really isnt sayin much.

Are those brand new ? If so the AMD build looks a bit better but no way that is a decent gaming rig. Also at that price you are probably getting some cheapo case with cheapo psu. If you are willing to spend a bit more you could build yourself a much better rig. Just tell us the intended use, what games you plan to play, what you already have (monitor, keyboard, etc .. ) and how much you're willing to spend and we'll help you choose the best components for your rig.

I agree. The little things are better for the budget. The difference between the two cpu's is neglectable at that level, while the extra things you get, especially the 3450 over the 7100, makes it a better choice. If you can get a cheap hd4*** videocard it would be better, but between these two builds, the amd.

Nope the e5200 can be overclocked with a gigabyte p45 upto 4.00Ghz and change the 4 gb of ram for 2 and buy a better video card at least a 9500gt so yuo can play the las t games but not al full capacity ...enjoy...

I mainly play Warcraft, so I'm not thinking it'll take a lot. I really would like to play it on max resolution. I want to get a 20-22 in monitor and dnt want to spend to much, very budget..around 500 USD

If you are only playing WoW than those computers are definitely fine.

Just make sure you are buying from a trustworthy source and/or you have some type of warranty. Like the other guys said, you will probably be getting a cheap case and psu.

$500 still isn't much, but its way better than $300, especially if you want to do full res. I've seen the 9800GT for less than $100 which you could probably fit into that budget. Also stick with 2 gigs and spend the money elsewhere.

Thx for all the help if anyone has any suggestions on a alternative system for around the same price please let me know and once again thx for all the help

The second one is a much better deal, but to echo the comments of everyone else, neither is great for gaming. The video in #2 is a lot better, but isn't saying much.
$500 which has to include a 20"-22" monitor isn't very much, but isn't hopeless. Do you have a keyboard, mouse, and OS?

I would try to get a 4670 video card.

$500 is without monitor 700-750 with monitor, mouse, keyboard and OS

Warcraft= spend as little as possible on the PC to leave you as much as possible to pay for your monthly fees to play.

Here is one for $500.00:

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $75.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $84.99

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $39.99 -$30.00 MIR

POWERCOLOR AX4850 512MD3-DH Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $159.99 -$20.00 MIR

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Neo Power 500 500W ATX12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.94 (Combo with case)

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $27.99

Total - $548.88 - $50 MIR's = $498.88

Here's a budget AMD build. Comments at the end.

Rosewill R222-P-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:R222-P-BK
Item #:N82E16811147095

$29.99 -$3.00 Instant $26.99

Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Model #:ET.EX3WP.001
Item #:N82E16824009145

$199.99 -$50.00 Instant $149.99

LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-08 - Retail
Model #:iHAS120-08
Item #:N82E16827106264

$25.99 $25.99

GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-DS4H AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #:GA-MA790GP-DS4H
Item #:N82E16813128352

$138.99 $138.99

Antec Basiq BP500UB 500W ATX12V Version 2.01 Active PFC Power Supply - OEM
Model #:BP500UB
Item #:N82E16817371019

$39.99 -$10.00 Instant $29.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor Model ADO5000DOBOX - Retail
Model #:ADO5000DOBOX
Item #:N82E16819103211

$59.99 -$10.00 Instant $49.99

A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1A16K - Retail
Model #:ADQVE1A16K
Item #:N82E16820211066

$27.99 $27.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #:ST3250410AS
Item #:N82E16822148262

$54.99 $54.99

Subtotal: $504.92
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I was going to say that if you absolutely have to meet a $500 budget, you can get one of the cheaper $99 Biostar 790GX boards, but you'll only get 64MB of sideport RAM for video, and it will be DDR2. The Gigabyte board has 128MB of DDR3. Without discrete video, it would likely make a difference, although you could always throw in a 3450 for about the same amount.
But, I just saw the updated comments that you don't need to include the monitor in this budget. That frees up enough for a 4670, and also enough to get a NeoPower or Earthwatts PSU
Oh, and there's no rebate nonsense in any of that.

That's a pretty sweet looking build !!! And a more than decent gaming rig. Good job evongugg  

Evongugg's rig is vastly superior. If your budget allows, get that one, except for the RAM; choose RAM that will operate at its advertised timings on the JEDEC standard 1.8V.
Just don't count on the rebates though:
http://blog.slickdeals.net/index.php/2008/11/14/major-r...

Awesome I like the setup, I think I am probably gonna drop down from 640GB to the 500GB save $10. I seen everyone is telling me to get 2GB ram but i was really wanting 4. If someone can explain why I should get 2 instead of 4 I would appreciate it. $15 USD more for 4 GB. total is $5 more then before and if anyone else has any suggestion please post and thx

What ram should I get and how hard is it Downloading drivers?

4GB of RAM would be fine; we just didn't include it in a budget build.

4GB doesn't hurt, but it wouldn't be worth it just for WoW. You can use it for other things of course and if you have the money for it, you can get it, but a better video card would benefit you more.

Again WoW doesn't have really high requirements, but if you want to play another game once in a while, one or the other parts might be better. It really depends on your budget.

Those are two nice looking machines btw.

How hard is it to download drivers to get everything to work? Any volunteers willing to help me with this?

Would anyone recommend another video card, maybe a geforce thats equivalent to the Radeon HD 4850? Maybe the 8500GT($50.00) or up?

Just curious to know where you are finding this combo deal. All the combo deals with the Antec 300 have been dead for about a week now at newegg...

If you mean an Nvidia card that performs on par with the 4850, that would be the 9800GTX. But you'll have a hard time finding someone here to recommend that over the 4850

On the graphics card does it matter what brand to get weather it be Powercolor, sapphire, or diamond? Whats the difference?


POWERCOLOR AX4850 512MD3-DH Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814131125 $159.99 -$20.00 MIR

The only thing I can say is that you should stay away from Sapphire products. Their customer service is horrid and they seldom honor their rebates.

My personal preference is ASUS or HIS.

Diamond is on my personal "Do not buy" list, for buggy products, incompetent tech support, and missing or poor driver support (even on the AMD/ATI site, where they weren't even listed as a partner at the time). There's too much out there that is at least as good for me to ever need to buy Diamond.
I like the HIS 2-slot coolers, but I've read good things about Visiontek's warranty and customer service. I've had mostly good results with ASUS also, although I did have one EAH3850 croak within weeks of installation.

I'd look at a
AMD 4670, 4830,
or a
Nvidia 9600, 9800

Not that I'd say buy those over the 4850, but if you want to safe money, those are good numbers to look for good cards.

For drivers, you can always drop a line, but usually just get the drivers from Nvidia or AMD website or the company you buy the motherboard from for his drivers, don't really think you'll need any more drivers.

1 more question, if I were to up grade the cpu from a e5200 to a e7200, e8400 or a e8500 would i need to change anything to go along with it. i.e. the ram or mobo or anything....going off of evongugg's build above..thx

Nope, the motherboard will support any of those CPUs.