Switching Palm to PPC

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Martin L Baker wrote:

> I'm seriously considering switching from Palm to PPC. I currently use a
> Palm Tungsten T3. I so wanted to get a LifeDrive, but I'm disappointed
> with the size, having a hard drive, not a VGA screen, and not OS6 - in
> fact, what's the point in OS6, it doesn't look any different?

Why would you want it to look any different? The Palm is a productivity
tool.

> Anyway, given the HP4700 is available for £320 just now, I'm seriously
> considering that. However, I want to make sure it will suit my use...
>
> To keep organised, I use the Memo pad to jot things down, and use the Palm
> shortcut command (a funny shape kind of like a cursive e) and then a
> couple of letters to put the datestamp and timestamp in then a comment -
> then I
> enter any detail I need to remember. Is there a similar facility on PPC
> to the Palm shortcut command?
>
> TIA,
>
> Martin.

I am sure a built-in feature or a free third-party application will be
capable of that. However, everything will be slower because of the bloated
O/S underneath. If you use a PDA to manage memos, I am curious as to why
you want the interface to look different. The price and power are tempting
though, I agree.

Good luck,

Roy

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RS> Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
RS> exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2 years all
RS> I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first place: scheduling and
RS> music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+" workstations.

I bought a PalmIIIx a few years ago for 50CAD, and it was stolen about a
year later. I decided to buy a newfangled Clie TH55, and found that I had
the same experience as you: I messed around with the 'fringe' media
features for about a month. Now the only things I really use are the
to-do list and the datebook.

I have to admit, though, that the camera and the audio recorder are
extremely useful, despite the low quality of the resulting media. The
camera especially helps me keep a photo-essay of my life, which is sort of
necessary now that my memory seems to be slipping on me.

I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one day
I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web with only
a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.

-Debo

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On 2005-06-14, Debo <mddibern@student.cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> RS> Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
> RS> exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2 years all
> RS> I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first place: scheduling and
> RS> music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+" workstations.
>
> I bought a PalmIIIx a few years ago for 50CAD, and it was stolen about a
> year later. I decided to buy a newfangled Clie TH55, and found that I had
> the same experience as you: I messed around with the 'fringe' media
> features for about a month. Now the only things I really use are the
> to-do list and the datebook.
>
> I have to admit, though, that the camera and the audio recorder are
> extremely useful, despite the low quality of the resulting media. The
> camera especially helps me keep a photo-essay of my life, which is sort of
> necessary now that my memory seems to be slipping on me.
>
> I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one day
> I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web with only
> a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.

I'd like WLAN on my Palm so I can control the music in my house
remotely via SSH. Sadly, I have a T|E, so that ain't going to happen for
a while!

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Toby wrote:

> On 2005-06-14, Debo <mddibern@student.cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> RS> Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
>> RS> exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2
>> years all RS> I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first
>> place: scheduling and RS> music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+"
>> workstations.
>>
>> I bought a PalmIIIx a few years ago for 50CAD, and it was stolen about a
>> year later. I decided to buy a newfangled Clie TH55, and found that I had
>> the same experience as you: I messed around with the 'fringe' media
>> features for about a month. Now the only things I really use are the
>> to-do list and the datebook.


I can honestly say that I wouldn't mind going back to my M130. In fact, the
only difference would be audio capabilities missing. I only listen to music
via my Palm when I'm out -- perhaps half an hour a day, whereas I listen to
music on the desktop/stereo about 15 hours a day.


>> I have to admit, though, that the camera and the audio recorder are
>> extremely useful, despite the low quality of the resulting media. The
>> camera especially helps me keep a photo-essay of my life, which is sort
>> of necessary now that my memory seems to be slipping on me.


I totally agree on that. Have a look at the bottom of this <
http://www.schestowitz.com/Family_Photos/ > page. I use an inexpensive
Webcam to collect ~7,000 photos a year.


>> I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one
>> day I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web with
>> only a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.


Wireless is usually available where it's unnecessary. It is not available on
the train, out in the wild, or in your back garden, for example. Anywhere
you get a signal, you can also get hold of a powerful workstation. Some of
these expensive PDA features are as practical as the neon lights that guys
install beneath their cars chassis.


> I'd like WLAN on my Palm so I can control the music in my house
> remotely via SSH. Sadly, I have a T|E, so that ain't going to happen for
> a while!


But if you're not at home, why open a shell for I/O that's not capable of
being forwarded via X? Are you DJ'ing the house from abroad? *smile*

Roy

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Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> Martin L Baker wrote:
>
>
>>I'm seriously considering switching from Palm to PPC. I currently use a
>>Palm Tungsten T3. I so wanted to get a LifeDrive, but I'm disappointed
>>with the size, having a hard drive, not a VGA screen, and not OS6 - in
>>fact, what's the point in OS6, it doesn't look any different?
>
>
> Why would you want it to look any different? The Palm is a productivity
> tool.
>

Well, hey, why even bother with colour?

My T3 has two features installed that make it much more pleasant to use
(and I would strongly dispute the statement that "The Palm is a
productivity tool" as it can be used for a huge variety of things. But
anyway...)

First, I have FontSmoother installed; this makes it *much* easier on the
eyes.

Second, my T3 looks like it is running CobaltOS. The difference between
the default OS5 interface and Cobalt is significant, and SkinUI allows
you to do this. It looks really, really nice.

I imagine a lot of T3 owners here thought about upgrading when the T5
came out, but didn't when Palm forgot to include wifi in the T5; and
decided to stay away from the Lifedrive when Palm forgot to ship it with
OS6; I imagine lots of owners have considered an Axim x50v, I know I have.

But, in the end I've decided to stick with the T3, because I know Palm
software and systems well, I already own it, and the T3's capabilities
are continually improving as developers produce a steady stream of
software that improves the device quite remarkably.

Yes, built in wifi+ bluetooth, VGA screen would be nice; but I just
can't be bothered learning a new system when the one I have works so
well. My partner has a PPC phone, and generally, it is horrible.

Having said the above, though, Palm will have to come up with a very
compelling device for me to buy another one, and they haven't done it
with either of their last two products.

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-=rjh=- wrote:

> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> Martin L Baker wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm seriously considering switching from Palm to PPC. I currently use a
>>>Palm Tungsten T3. I so wanted to get a LifeDrive, but I'm disappointed
>>>with the size, having a hard drive, not a VGA screen, and not OS6 - in
>>>fact, what's the point in OS6, it doesn't look any different?
>>
>>
>> Why would you want it to look any different? The Palm is a productivity
>> tool.
>>
>
> Well, hey, why even bother with colour?


Exactly. Why bother? Most application I use are monochrome or could be used
equally well if they were monochrome.


> My T3 has two features installed that make it much more pleasant to use
> (and I would strongly dispute the statement that "The Palm is a
> productivity tool" as it can be used for a huge variety of things. But
> anyway...)
>
> First, I have FontSmoother installed; this makes it *much* easier on the
> eyes.


I know it is a matter of personal preference, but choosing a device (or
likewise operating system) based on fonts is impractical. Fonts don't make
a compelling argument.


> Second, my T3 looks like it is running CobaltOS. The difference between
> the default OS5 interface and Cobalt is significant, and SkinUI allows
> you to do this. It looks really, really nice.


This again concerns _looks_. I know it matters to a large number of people
more than it matters to me; I won't deny it.


> I imagine a lot of T3 owners here thought about upgrading when the T5
> came out, but didn't when Palm forgot to include wifi in the T5; and
> decided to stay away from the Lifedrive when Palm forgot to ship it with
> OS6; I imagine lots of owners have considered an Axim x50v, I know I
> have.


Price-wise it is hard to compete with Dell.


> But, in the end I've decided to stick with the T3, because I know Palm
> software and systems well, I already own it, and the T3's capabilities
> are continually improving as developers produce a steady stream of
> software that improves the device quite remarkably.
>
> Yes, built in wifi+ bluetooth, VGA screen would be nice; but I just
> can't be bothered learning a new system when the one I have works so
> well. My partner has a PPC phone, and generally, it is horrible.


The Palm smartphones are quite dominant in the market and they have great
reputation. Some would say that the competitors have just not matured
sufficiently, yet.


> Having said the above, though, Palm will have to come up with a very
> compelling device for me to buy another one, and they haven't done it
> with either of their last two products.


I agree that the T5 and the LifeDrive are unappealing. However, I can't
imagine that I will practically use WiFi and some of the other neat
features in the long term. I just need a quick and stable device with
reliable applications that are highly responsive.

Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2 years all
I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first place: scheduling and
music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+" workstations.

Roy

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http://Schestowitz.com

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As it happens, my T3 just kept crashing on me yesterday. I thought it could
be the recent 512MB SD card I bought, so I took that out - and it still kept
crashing. Last night, I did a hard reset, and it still kept crashing
without putting anything on it. So, I bit the bullet...

Today I picked up an HP iPaq h4700 for £320. That's a whole £8 cheaper than
the X50v starts at on the Dell site. So, I'm about to start playing.

On the whole, it's Palm's fault. I'm in the throws of purchasing a house,
so I could do without the expense. I didn't get extended warranty on my T3.
I've got £150 coming later this month from the extended warranty I took on
my Palm Vx but never needed to claim on, so that's nearly half of the
expense. After the disappointment of the T5 then the Life Drive, I'd
decided to wait until the autumn to see if Palm came up with a reasonable
sized hand held, with persistent memory, wifi and bluetooth. I have that
now - I just hope I can live with the Windoze Mobily stuff.

Martin.

"-=rjh=-" <usually@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> Martin L Baker wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm seriously considering switching from Palm to PPC. I currently use a
>>>Palm Tungsten T3. I so wanted to get a LifeDrive, but I'm disappointed
>>>with the size, having a hard drive, not a VGA screen, and not OS6 - in
>>>fact, what's the point in OS6, it doesn't look any different?
>>
>>
>> Why would you want it to look any different? The Palm is a productivity
>> tool.
>>
>
> Well, hey, why even bother with colour?
>
> My T3 has two features installed that make it much more pleasant to use
> (and I would strongly dispute the statement that "The Palm is a
> productivity tool" as it can be used for a huge variety of things. But
> anyway...)
>
> First, I have FontSmoother installed; this makes it *much* easier on the
> eyes.
>
> Second, my T3 looks like it is running CobaltOS. The difference between
> the default OS5 interface and Cobalt is significant, and SkinUI allows you
> to do this. It looks really, really nice.
>
> I imagine a lot of T3 owners here thought about upgrading when the T5 came
> out, but didn't when Palm forgot to include wifi in the T5; and decided to
> stay away from the Lifedrive when Palm forgot to ship it with OS6; I
> imagine lots of owners have considered an Axim x50v, I know I have.
>
> But, in the end I've decided to stick with the T3, because I know Palm
> software and systems well, I already own it, and the T3's capabilities are
> continually improving as developers produce a steady stream of software
> that improves the device quite remarkably.
>
> Yes, built in wifi+ bluetooth, VGA screen would be nice; but I just can't
> be bothered learning a new system when the one I have works so well. My
> partner has a PPC phone, and generally, it is horrible.
>
> Having said the above, though, Palm will have to come up with a very
> compelling device for me to buy another one, and they haven't done it with
> either of their last two products.

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"Martin L Baker" <me@nospam.com> wrote:

>As it happens, my T3 just kept crashing on me yesterday...
>I did a hard reset, and it still kept crashing without putting anything on it.

If you still have the T3 you might try an 'extreme' hard reset. That is to take
it apart and disconnect the battery for 30 minutes or so. Alternately let the
battery die completely. Awhile back that method was required to fix the USB port
corruption on the m5xxs after a static problem. A hard reset wouldn't fix it.
And as occasionally reported here (as recently as a few days ago) there are
other types of corruption that just aren't fixed by a hard reset that do respond
to a deadened battery or battery disconnect. Not often, but it happens. Give it
a try. What have you got to lose...

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> Toby wrote:
>
SNIP

>
>>> I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one
>>> day I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web
>>> with
>>> only a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.
>

There are keyboard options, some PDAs have them built-in like the Treo 650
and T|C. Being able to reply to an email quickly from a remote location is
actually kind of nice to have.

>
> Wireless is usually available where it's unnecessary. It is not available
> on
> the train, out in the wild, or in your back garden, for example. Anywhere
> you get a signal, you can also get hold of a powerful workstation. Some of
> these expensive PDA features are as practical as the neon lights that guys
> install beneath their cars chassis.
>

Well if you're talking only aboutWiFi sure it's limited to certain locales
but there are lots of hot spots around town, many free ones in hotel
lobbies.. Likewise it's a bit inconvenient to haul around a powerful
workstation everywhere you go. But if you consider that GPRS is wireless
you can use a bluetooth connection to your cellular phone and get access in
many places that WiFi is unavailable not to mention a powerful workstation.
By the way, some of the commuter trains in the Seattle area actually have
WiFi access. I'd have to disagree and say that wireless access is a bit more
practical than neon lights, at least it's functional.

>
SNIP
>
> Roy
>
> --
> Roy S. Schestowitz
> http://Schestowitz.com
>

Cheers
TC

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On 2005-06-14, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> Toby wrote:
>
>> On 2005-06-14, Debo <mddibern@student.cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>> RS> Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
>>> RS> exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2
>>> years all RS> I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first
>>> place: scheduling and RS> music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+"
>>> workstations.
>>>
>>> I bought a PalmIIIx a few years ago for 50CAD, and it was stolen about a
>>> year later. I decided to buy a newfangled Clie TH55, and found that I had
>>> the same experience as you: I messed around with the 'fringe' media
>>> features for about a month. Now the only things I really use are the
>>> to-do list and the datebook.
>
>
> I can honestly say that I wouldn't mind going back to my M130. In fact, the
> only difference would be audio capabilities missing. I only listen to music
> via my Palm when I'm out -- perhaps half an hour a day, whereas I listen to
> music on the desktop/stereo about 15 hours a day.
>
>
>>> I have to admit, though, that the camera and the audio recorder are
>>> extremely useful, despite the low quality of the resulting media. The
>>> camera especially helps me keep a photo-essay of my life, which is sort
>>> of necessary now that my memory seems to be slipping on me.
>
>
> I totally agree on that. Have a look at the bottom of this <
> http://www.schestowitz.com/Family_Photos/ > page. I use an inexpensive
> Webcam to collect ~7,000 photos a year.
>
>
>>> I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one
>>> day I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web with
>>> only a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.
>
>
> Wireless is usually available where it's unnecessary. It is not available on
> the train, out in the wild, or in your back garden, for example. Anywhere
> you get a signal, you can also get hold of a powerful workstation. Some of
> these expensive PDA features are as practical as the neon lights that guys
> install beneath their cars chassis.
>
>
>> I'd like WLAN on my Palm so I can control the music in my house
>> remotely via SSH. Sadly, I have a T|E, so that ain't going to happen for
>> a while!
>
>
> But if you're not at home, why open a shell for I/O that's not capable of
> being forwarded via X? Are you DJ'ing the house from abroad? *smile*

I get some kind of sick kick out of using as little bandwidth as
possible!

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Toby wrote:
> On 2005-06-14, Debo <mddibern@student.cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>>RS> Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
>>RS> exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2 years all
>>RS> I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first place: scheduling and
>>RS> music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+" workstations.
>>
>>I bought a PalmIIIx a few years ago for 50CAD, and it was stolen about a
>>year later. I decided to buy a newfangled Clie TH55, and found that I had
>>the same experience as you: I messed around with the 'fringe' media
>>features for about a month. Now the only things I really use are the
>>to-do list and the datebook.
>>
>>I have to admit, though, that the camera and the audio recorder are
>>extremely useful, despite the low quality of the resulting media. The
>>camera especially helps me keep a photo-essay of my life, which is sort of
>>necessary now that my memory seems to be slipping on me.
>>
>>I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one day
>>I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web with only
>>a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.
>
>
> I'd like WLAN on my Palm so I can control the music in my house
> remotely via SSH. Sadly, I have a T|E, so that ain't going to happen for
> a while!
>
What I have here, is Slimserver running several streams simultaneously,
and one of these is output to an FM transmitter. This gives me coverage
of my whole house and property. I just tune in to the transmitter with a
portable radio, or use the tuner on the stereo of whatever room I'm in.

Slimserver has a web interface, so it can be controlled from any web
browser from any desktop or laptop in the house, and it can also be
remotely controlled by my Palm. Currently the wireless connection is
over bluetooth, which is very slow on the T3, but it works well enough.
I have a wlan at home, too, and having decided to stick with the T3 I
have only just ordered a WiFi SD card for it.

Wlan opens up significant extra functionality, including remote wireless
hotsyncing, filebrowsing, streaming music, displaying photos, web
browsing and blogging. Nokia seem to be aware of the possibilities,
having recently announced the 770, which is a dedicated WiFi/bluetooth
product.

While others here regard the Palm as just a productivity tool, I don't -
a Palm can be anything you want it to be, whether that be a game
console, portable web/email browser, multimedia device, data logger etc.
In fact, my Palm makes me *less* productive :-)

I might have fiddled around with the PIM functions for a month or so
after I got my first Palm, but soon got tired of that and only really
make use of the address book. But I've spent a lot of time over the past
couple of years finding out what other things Palms can do, and there
are still new capabilities being added (but not by Palm) at a surprising
rate. Palm's versatility far exceeds my expectations, and I don't see
that stopping soon.

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On 2005-06-15, -=rjh=- <usually@mail.com> wrote:
> Toby wrote:
>> On 2005-06-14, Debo <mddibern@student.cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>RS> Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
>>>RS> exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2 years all
>>>RS> I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first place: scheduling and
>>>RS> music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+" workstations.
>>>
>>>I bought a PalmIIIx a few years ago for 50CAD, and it was stolen about a
>>>year later. I decided to buy a newfangled Clie TH55, and found that I had
>>>the same experience as you: I messed around with the 'fringe' media
>>>features for about a month. Now the only things I really use are the
>>>to-do list and the datebook.
>>>
>>>I have to admit, though, that the camera and the audio recorder are
>>>extremely useful, despite the low quality of the resulting media. The
>>>camera especially helps me keep a photo-essay of my life, which is sort of
>>>necessary now that my memory seems to be slipping on me.
>>>
>>>I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one day
>>>I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web with only
>>>a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.
>>
>>
>> I'd like WLAN on my Palm so I can control the music in my house
>> remotely via SSH. Sadly, I have a T|E, so that ain't going to happen for
>> a while!
>>
> What I have here, is Slimserver running several streams simultaneously,
> and one of these is output to an FM transmitter. This gives me coverage
> of my whole house and property. I just tune in to the transmitter with a
> portable radio, or use the tuner on the stereo of whatever room I'm in.

Great idea. But... aren't FM Transmitters expensive?

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Toby wrote:
> On 2005-06-15, -=rjh=- <usually@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>Toby wrote:
>>
>>>On 2005-06-14, Debo <mddibern@student.cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>RS> Back in 2002, I spent the first few months messing about with all the
>>>>RS> exciting features like Internet, E-mail and games. For the past 2 years all
>>>>RS> I have ever done is what I got a PDA for in the first place: scheduling and
>>>>RS> music. I leave the rest to the proper 14+" workstations.
>>>>
>>>>I bought a PalmIIIx a few years ago for 50CAD, and it was stolen about a
>>>>year later. I decided to buy a newfangled Clie TH55, and found that I had
>>>>the same experience as you: I messed around with the 'fringe' media
>>>>features for about a month. Now the only things I really use are the
>>>>to-do list and the datebook.
>>>>
>>>>I have to admit, though, that the camera and the audio recorder are
>>>>extremely useful, despite the low quality of the resulting media. The
>>>>camera especially helps me keep a photo-essay of my life, which is sort of
>>>>necessary now that my memory seems to be slipping on me.
>>>>
>>>>I find the wireless LAN access to be mostly useless to me... maybe one day
>>>>I'll find a valid reason for having it. Interfacing with the web with only
>>>>a stylus is frustrating in the extreme, IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd like WLAN on my Palm so I can control the music in my house
>>>remotely via SSH. Sadly, I have a T|E, so that ain't going to happen for
>>>a while!
>>>
>>
>>What I have here, is Slimserver running several streams simultaneously,
>>and one of these is output to an FM transmitter. This gives me coverage
>>of my whole house and property. I just tune in to the transmitter with a
>>portable radio, or use the tuner on the stereo of whatever room I'm in.
>
>
> Great idea. But... aren't FM Transmitters expensive?
>
Heck no! The last two kits I bought were NZS30.00; generally they sell
for around $60.00 for a kitset.

But, what I'm currently using is one of these:

http://www.mobileblackbox.com/usb_transmitter.htm


Version 1.0, which I picked up locally for NZ$55.00, and I really can't
recommend them highly enough - they are great!

USB input is a real advantage, as you deal with the transmitter as a
separate audio device, so normal output from your PC goes to the PC
speakers (or complete hifi rack, in my case :-), output from your media
player goes to the transmitter.

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Martin L Baker wrote:
> As it happens, my T3 just kept crashing on me yesterday. I thought
> it could be the recent 512MB SD card I bought, so I took that out -
> and it still kept crashing. Last night, I did a hard reset, and it
> still kept crashing without putting anything on it. So, I bit the
> bullet...
> Today I picked up an HP iPaq h4700 for £320. That's a whole £8
> cheaper than the X50v starts at on the Dell site. So, I'm about to
> start playing.
> On the whole, it's Palm's fault. I'm in the throws of purchasing a
> house, so I could do without the expense. I didn't get extended
> warranty on my T3. I've got £150 coming later this month from the
> extended warranty I took on my Palm Vx but never needed to claim on,
> so that's nearly half of the expense. After the disappointment of
> the T5 then the Life Drive, I'd decided to wait until the autumn to
> see if Palm came up with a reasonable sized hand held, with
> persistent memory, wifi and bluetooth. I have that now - I just hope
> I can live with the Windoze Mobily stuff.
> Martin.
>
> "-=rjh=-" <usually@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:42aeb701$1@news.orcon.net.nz...
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>> Martin L Baker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm seriously considering switching from Palm to PPC. I currently
>>>> use a Palm Tungsten T3. I so wanted to get a LifeDrive, but I'm
>>>> disappointed with the size, having a hard drive, not a VGA screen,
>>>> and not OS6 - in fact, what's the point in OS6, it doesn't look
>>>> any different?
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would you want it to look any different? The Palm is a
>>> productivity tool.
>>>
>>
>> Well, hey, why even bother with colour?
>>
>> My T3 has two features installed that make it much more pleasant to
>> use (and I would strongly dispute the statement that "The Palm is a
>> productivity tool" as it can be used for a huge variety of things.
>> But anyway...)
>>
>> First, I have FontSmoother installed; this makes it *much* easier on
>> the eyes.
>>
>> Second, my T3 looks like it is running CobaltOS. The difference
>> between the default OS5 interface and Cobalt is significant, and
>> SkinUI allows you to do this. It looks really, really nice.
>>
>> I imagine a lot of T3 owners here thought about upgrading when the
>> T5 came out, but didn't when Palm forgot to include wifi in the T5;
>> and decided to stay away from the Lifedrive when Palm forgot to ship
>> it with OS6; I imagine lots of owners have considered an Axim x50v,
>> I know I have. But, in the end I've decided to stick with the T3,
>> because I know
>> Palm software and systems well, I already own it, and the T3's
>> capabilities are continually improving as developers produce a
>> steady stream of software that improves the device quite remarkably.
>>
>> Yes, built in wifi+ bluetooth, VGA screen would be nice; but I just
>> can't be bothered learning a new system when the one I have works so
>> well. My partner has a PPC phone, and generally, it is horrible.
>>
>> Having said the above, though, Palm will have to come up with a very
>> compelling device for me to buy another one, and they haven't done
>> it with either of their last two products.

Just my opinion, but, when you've finished in frustration with the HP
4700, the X50v does what the PPC is supposed to do; although PPC, except
for WiFi, is no more capable than a TE, in my experience. The only
drawback to the X50v is the 4700 has a richer, more saturated color
screen than the X50v. AFIK, almost no one likes the 4700 finger pad.

Q