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What is better AM2+ 2.3ghz quad core or AM2+ 2.7ghz dull core

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February 24, 2009 5:25:30 PM

I have been reading that Dual Core is better when it comes to gaming?
The Quads perform the same as dual while running a game?

AM2+ (2.3Ghz) Quad, Or AM2+ (2.7Ghz) Dual....

Right now I'm running on the 2.7 Dual core... But wanted to jump up to a quad core....

I know the PC will perform much faster, But will It help the games at all?

I figured that it would sense larger CPU means less stress on the system...

Far as (GHZ) I'm wanting the (2.3hz Quad Core) So in system checks will it say I don't have enough CPU power to run a game if it needs (say 2.6ghz) ???

Right now I'm running on the 2.7ghz dual core......

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February 24, 2009 5:39:57 PM

The quad cores are better in my opinion because a faster pc equals faster games, and as far as I know , the only dual core than can beat a quad is the intel core 2 e8500
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February 24, 2009 6:04:44 PM

For gaming purposes the 2.7 dual core is going to be faster. If you want to upgrade to a quad, at LEAST get a 2.6ghz, that will pretty much guarentee you a little more performance in games, and better performance across the board in everything else you do. If you buy the 2.3ghz quad, you are going to be disappointed....likely even feel you have downgraded for gaming. Why? Because there are very few games that can make use of the quad core.
So if you have or are talking about at least a dual core CPU, you still want to think "more ghz is more important for gaming than more cores"
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February 24, 2009 6:14:46 PM

true! jitpublisher is right. id personally buy a 3.1ghz amd 6000! absolutely class!
dont bother with a quad unless its at least 2.6ghz!
February 24, 2009 6:55:59 PM

lol "dull core"
February 24, 2009 7:22:45 PM

Instead of that, compromise.

AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition 2.8ghz - $150

February 24, 2009 7:30:52 PM

I think I need to upgrade my AMD dull core too cause it makes my computer feel dull.
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February 24, 2009 7:31:04 PM

the AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition @ 2.8ghz gets my vote every time at the moment.
February 25, 2009 11:24:06 AM

AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor Black Edition

Series Phenom X4

Hyper Transports 3600MHz

I think GTA4 would like this specs right?
February 25, 2009 1:20:30 PM

I think I'm wanting to go with the

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core black edition Processor

It's still dual core but I can overclock it to a much higher number....

and the Hyper Transports are 3600MHz

So it's a fast CPU, I just hate that it's still in the Athlon 64 X2 range, I really wanted to bump it up to the Phenom Series...

But like everyone, Only can spend so much at once..... Budget..... But want more.....

I'm useing the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200 Brisbane 2.7GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Right now...

So in (Ghz) will still be the same, But the AM2+ Version will run faster and it's Black Edition so I can O/C it....

What you think?
February 25, 2009 1:23:58 PM

But i was looking at the

AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core

But everyone keeps telling me It will feel like I down graded...

And I wont gain anything in gaming?

Because games read the (Ghz) not the cores?
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February 25, 2009 1:31:32 PM

It is because, like we said, games don't make good use of more cores.
If you already have a fast dual core, you will need a faster dual core or Quad core, in GHZ to see any noticable improvement.
In a nutshell, yes. More cores (if you are already running a dual core) won't do you any good for gaming. And the slower speed of the quad you are looking at would be considered a downgrade for gaming purposes.
February 25, 2009 2:09:40 PM

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Don't be so sure about the 7750. My 7750 could only get to 3.4Ghz


3.4Ghz is still much better then 2.7Ghz, And the AM2 I have now isn't a Black Edition so over clocking not good with this one...

But the 7750 much better features.... Like the third Cache, and the 3600Mhz Hyper Transport...

The AM2 one only has 2000Mhz, and two cache.....

So I should see a good gain in performance....

I'm just really trying to figure out if it's a good idea or not...

I should wait and save up for a big quad but I want more now.....

It's driving me crazy...
February 25, 2009 2:21:50 PM

Thanks for the help.... I just needed to clear it up... So I don't go out and buy something I will hate later...

I just was going buy the specs on the new GTA-IV game.

CPU
Recommended: AMD Phenom X3 2.1GHz
You Have: 2 processors running - AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+

CPU Speed
Recommended: AMD Phenom X3 2.1GHz
You Have: 2.70 GHz

Witch is a triple core, and many blogs state that quad is better for it....

But my rig meets the Minimum in CPU....

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MY RIGS SPECS SOFAR
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System RAM
Minimum: 1 GB for Windows XP / 1.5 GB for Windows Vista™)
You Have: 3.5 GB PASS

Operating System
Minimum: Windows Vista - Service Pack 1 / XP - Service Pack 3
You Have: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition, 64-bit (Build Service Pack 16001) PASS

Video Card
Minimum: 256MB NVIDIA 7900+ / 256MB ATI X1900+
You Have: NVIDIA GeForce 8200 () PASS

Video Card Features - Minimum attributes of your Video Card Video RAM: Required - 256 MB , You have - 1.9 GB
Video Card 3D Acceleration: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Video HW Transform & Lighting: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Vertex Shader Ver.: Required - 3.0 , You have - 4.0
Pixel Shader Ver.: Required - 3.0 , You have - 4.0


February 25, 2009 2:28:47 PM

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If you're going to spend 90 dollars on a processor. Spend the extra 40 for a 710


Yea, I was looking at the

AMD Phenom II X3 710 2.6GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor

I just might give myself a few more weeks and get this instead...

I'm running 4Gb's of
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel

And I have one more set on it's way... So my setup is going to be running 8 gig's of it..

Think that's going to be fine with the AM3????

It's so new....
February 25, 2009 2:31:48 PM

Wait are you using integrated graphics? If you are then it isn't playing GTA4.

You'll need at least a 4830 depending on your monitor for it to play smothly.
February 25, 2009 2:34:55 PM

Yeah it'll be fine but you're running 32bit so you need to upgrade to 64bit hence why it only says 3.5gb.

I would've saved the money and gone for a 720 to be honest since you won't need 8gb of ram for a while.
February 25, 2009 2:40:01 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
Yeah it'll be fine but you're running 32bit so you need to upgrade to 64bit hence why it only says 3.5gb.

I would've saved the money and gone for a 720 to be honest since you won't need 8gb of ram for a while.


Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition, 64-bit

My graphics are useing up 512mb's of my ram for video.....

Befor I upgraded to VISTA 64-bit I was using 32-bit XP and it was only showing up at 3GB's

But I was looking at a Nvidia 9800 series that supports my Hybrid Sli mode...

So I can get a 512mb card and Sli it into my onboard 512....

I have another set of my G-SKILL 4GB memory on it's way.. giving me 8Gigs total
February 25, 2009 2:45:31 PM

It says the Video Card
Minimum: 256MB NVIDIA 7900+ for GTA4,

So even my onboard video will do for now,

My motherboard I have is a
ASUS M3N78-VM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

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NVIDIA GeForce 8200 offers the latest support of Hybrid SLI Technology, DirectX10 graphics features, HD video playback with HDMI/DVI output. It also supports HyperTransport™ 3.0 interface, PCI Express™ 2.0 bus architecture, Serial ATA 3 Gb/s devices and is optimized with AMD’s latest AM2+ and multi-core CPUs to provide excellent system performance.
February 25, 2009 2:53:02 PM

I've done all the research on my setup, Now it's just time for me to figure out what CPU I want to upgrade to... That's why I'm asking around.... I used GTA4 specs because it's one of the first games to support multiple cores... I'm not rich, but also don't want to buy something for the cheap price and not the performance... I want 50/50.... AMD Phenom II X3 710 2.6GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor
Sounds like a good choice, Just hope it runs stable with my DDR2 class memory..
February 25, 2009 6:08:37 PM

If you're gonna OC i'd get the 720, its a BE and has an unlocked multiplier...very solid processor. If not, i guess the 710 will serve the purpose.
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March 6, 2009 10:37:58 AM

You are wanting to upgrade your processor to a really nice fast triple or quad core, want to bump up to 8 gig of memory, and you are still using onboard video? Holy wow, mother of cow you need take a deep breath and start all over. First thing you need to look at is a new GPU. Yeah, very first thing. Then go quad core. If you have 4 gig of memory, that is more than you will ever need.

You also need to stop reading the manufacture's nonsense they put on the box, in the manuals telling what all great things their product will do, and go read some un bias reviews. Everything you read on a box or advertisement about anything will tell you it is just the best thing since pockets on a shirt, is the latest and greatest, fastest, bestest, even though it actually may be a complete piece of crap.

In reality, your onboard video is slow as molassas in December, in gaming terms.
March 6, 2009 11:04:55 AM

pawneezr said:
It says the Video Card
Minimum: 256MB NVIDIA 7900+ for GTA4,

So even my onboard video will do for now,

My motherboard I have is a
ASUS M3N78-VM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

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NVIDIA GeForce 8200 offers the latest support of Hybrid SLI Technology, DirectX10 graphics features, HD video playback with HDMI/DVI output. It also supports HyperTransport™ 3.0 interface, PCI Express™ 2.0 bus architecture, Serial ATA 3 Gb/s devices and is optimized with AMD’s latest AM2+ and multi-core CPUs to provide excellent system performance.


you're going to get like max 10 fps on low settings with those onboard GFX. :/ 

btw 9800 series doesn't work with hybrid SLI.. only the 8500 or 8400 series I believe... making it completely worthless because those cards are trash.

I agree with the other guy, and like dozens of other people have said.. spend more money on the gpu than the processor if you want good performance in games.. and any dual or quad core by AMD or INTEL above 2.6 ghz will be enough power for nearly every modern game at good resolutions given you have a good GPU... I have a 9800gt with a kuma 7750 @ 3.2 GHZ and it runs any game on the market at 1440x900 smoothly... haven't tried GTA though so I can't help you there.
March 6, 2009 11:34:42 AM

Thanks for the info but check out the specs on SLI Hybrid,

Hybrid SLI Enabled Graphics Cards

GeForce Boost Technology HybridPower Technology

GeForce GTX 280 X
GeForce 9800 GX2 X
GeForce GTX 260 X
GeForce 9800 GTX+ X
GeForce 9800 GTX X
GeForce 9800 GT X

GeForce 8500 GT X
GeForce 8400 GS X
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So even the new cards are able to use it... I'll just need a better power supply...
March 6, 2009 11:57:31 AM

pawneezr said:
Thanks for the info but check out the specs on SLI Hybrid,

Hybrid SLI Enabled Graphics Cards

GeForce Boost Technology HybridPower Technology

GeForce GTX 280 X
GeForce 9800 GX2 X
GeForce GTX 260 X
GeForce 9800 GTX+ X
GeForce 9800 GTX X
GeForce 9800 GT X

GeForce 8500 GT X
GeForce 8400 GS X
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So even the new cards are able to use it... I'll just need a better power supply...

they can only use hybridpower technology.. if you look at GeForce Boost(hybrid SLI) only the 8500 and 8400 have an X. :/ 

http://www.nvidia.com/object/hybrid_sli_desktop.html
March 6, 2009 1:33:27 PM

Yep....

HybridPower Technology

GeForce GTX 280
GeForce 9800 GX2
GeForce GTX 260
GeForce 9800 GTX+
GeForce 9800 GTX
GeForce 9800 GT



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March 7, 2009 1:43:08 PM

Still, trying to run Hybrid technology with a new fast GPU, and onboard video together has got to be a great sales pitch. It cannot, simply cannot improve on, or do anything but be a hinderence to a high end GPU. This is like saying, will my Big Block Camero SS with the 427 Yenko V-8 go faster if I throw a Pinto 4 cylinder engine in the trunk? It just doesn't make sense. Bad analogy I know, but in a nutshell, that is they way I see it.
March 7, 2009 1:57:03 PM

True True,

I'm just going with a lower card for now, Cheap card... I still need a better PSU before I get a large card... My PSU is 500w 2/12v rails one with 24a and the other 18a...

So I went with this older 8400 series 64-bit SLI Nvidia 512mb card, but newer then the 8200 onboard... Only by a few I know... But it supports the onboards SLI mode and is low profile to fit my case just right... Far as the games go I'll make due with what I can and upgrade later... My mobo has room for anything really... goes up to AM3 socket and supports the GeForce GTX 280 series cards so I can pump it up later after I get better power....

Thanks for the info on everything though.... Everyone has helped give me ideas...
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March 7, 2009 2:15:28 PM

Good luck with your upgrades, have fun.
March 7, 2009 2:16:49 PM

go with a 4830 dude! or a 9600 gt they are only about 70-90 bucks!
March 25, 2009 11:37:07 PM

something is troubling me right now, you said you planned on getting a 9800gt for hybrid sli to increase the memory to 1024mb, sli does not work that way, and hybrid sli is meant to reduce power consumption, it IS NOT going to speed up games. get a 4830 or gts250 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ). my personal proccesor pick would be the 720.
March 26, 2009 2:47:43 AM

I know SLI and Hybrid SLI are not the same.... For now I went with a 1GB 9400GT.... It's been running smooth and good for me... The new Burnout looks great, My TM runs smoother online... GTA4 runs good on low/med so it's all good for now... Once I make up some extra cash I'll work on a newer card... It's all I needed for now....
March 26, 2009 12:59:37 PM

Hybrid SLI and HybridPower are also not the same. HybridPower just means it will turn your big GPU off and use the onboard when your doing Windows desktop tasks, then switch on the big GPU when your gaming. HybridSLI(AKA GeForce Boost) is combining your integrated 8200 and a 8400 or 8500 card.
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May 22, 2009 2:35:18 AM

daveikin said:
true! jitpublisher is right. id personally buy a 3.1ghz amd 6000! absolutely class!
dont bother with a quad unless its at least 2.6ghz!


I GOT A AMD PHENOM II QUAD CORE 2.8X4 WITH 8GB RAM AND 1GB NVIDIA 8200 GFX. PLAYS ALL GAMES EVER MADE WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. QUAD WOULD KILL DUAL. WHY MAKE THEM IF THEY DIDNT.
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May 22, 2009 2:37:21 AM

AMD PHENOM II QUAD CORE 11.2GHZ BLACK EDITION, 8GB RAM,1TB HDD,NVIDIA 8200 1GB GFX, BLUE RAY DRIVE.
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May 22, 2009 2:40:05 AM

pawneezr said:
It says the Video Card
Minimum: 256MB NVIDIA 7900+ for GTA4,

So even my onboard video will do for now,

My motherboard I have is a
ASUS M3N78-VM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

--------------------------------
NVIDIA GeForce 8200 offers the latest support of Hybrid SLI Technology, DirectX10 graphics features, HD video playback with HDMI/DVI output. It also supports HyperTransport™ 3.0 interface, PCI Express™ 2.0 bus architecture, Serial ATA 3 Gb/s devices and is optimized with AMD’s latest AM2+ and multi-core CPUs to provide excellent system performance.


AMD QUAD CORE PHENOM II 2.8 X 4 8GB RAM NVIDIA 8200 1GB GFX EATS GTA VI. NO PROBLEM AND FALLOUT 3.
May 22, 2009 2:44:23 AM

Thank you man!!! That's the way I feel.... After about two months ago of this post I put on here, You'll be the first to say somthing i want to hear... That's the way I feel, 4 cores is better then 2... But I went with the Kuma 2.7GHZ dual black edition for now because of price.... Now the 3.0ghz quad is getting cheaper sense the AM3 came out, I'll be saving up to get it...
May 22, 2009 2:48:45 AM

Oh and I went with a 1GB Nvidia Geforce 9400 GT, So my card has some good power, and I bought a OCZ Fatal1ty 550W PSU... So my rig is running nice... Can always be better I know...
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