OTA analog TV shutoff now 2007-01-01 ??

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<http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/091905dtvtransition/>

Kirk Bayne
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:38:26 GMT K. B. <hotmail.com@lis2lis2> wrote:

| <http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/091905dtvtransition/>

The last paragraph of the article suggests that everyone but broadcasters
are in line for a speedier transition. I suggest that the manufacturers
of TV sets are also not in line for a speedier transition. There needs
to be 8VSB/ATSC support in _every_ new model of TV set well before the
transition. Expediting the "tuner mandate" to "100%" for _all_ TV sets
(no exceptions based on screen size) would be an essential part of this.

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K. B. wrote:

>
> Provided a cable/satellite/xDSL STB has direct video and
> audio outputs, the lack of an NTSC tuner isn't a problem.


Except it means you need two external boxes for PIP.

OF course, **I** now need two external boxes for PIP,
since I no longer use NTSC at all, and have a set without ATSC.

Doug McDonald

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Bob Miller wrote:
>
> K. B. wrote:
> > On 21 Sep 2005 19:43:14 GMT, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
> > posted:
> >
> >
> >>There needs
> >>to be 8VSB/ATSC support in _every_ new model of TV set well before the
> >>transition. Expediting the "tuner mandate" to "100%" for _all_ TV sets
> >>(no exceptions based on screen size) would be an essential part of this.
> >
> >
> > Looks like TV set makers are producing just monitors to get
> > around the ATSC tuner mandate (the mandate requires an ATSC
> > tuner only when there is an NTSC tuner in the TV).
> >
> > Provided a cable/satellite/xDSL STB has direct video and
> > audio outputs, the lack of an NTSC tuner isn't a problem.
> >
> > Kirk Bayne
> > alt.video.digital-tv Home Page
> > <http://www.geocities.com/lislislislis/avdtv.htm>
>
> As predicted years ago even before the mandate.
>
> Recently I counted half of all DTV sets at best buy were monitors. It is
> crazy to pay even $10 more for an ATSC tuner if you are connecting to
> cable.
>
> Bob Miller


Bob, I need both Cable and ATSC OTA Digital tuner to get the full

coverage of HD Programming... Our local TW Cable Co does not
carry

FOX-HD, UPN-HD, nor WB-HD in GBay, WI currently for various
reasons.....

All our 7 local Network stations are at local full power, HD OTA
now....

Only if your local cable Co supports/shows all 7 big OTA HD
Networks.....

then your $10 bill digital tuner story carries weight......

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Gordon Burditt wrote:
>>As predicted years ago even before the mandate.
>>
>>Recently I counted half of all DTV sets at best buy were monitors. It is
>> crazy to pay even $10 more for an ATSC tuner if you are connecting to
>>cable.
>
>
> It is crazy to pay more for an ATSC tuner if you are connecting
> *ONLY* to cable and it never has an outage. I don't know of any
> cable system like that in existence.
>
>
>>Bob Miller
>
>
> Gordon L. Burditt

I would argue that most people connected to cable are ONLY connected to
cable. Anyone under thirty today has an even chance of not even knowing
about what an OTA TV antenna even is.

My daughters for example were amazed when I first got involved with
8-VSB and COFDM that "TV" could even be plucked out of the air. It was
state of the art magic to them. To them cable WAS TV.

As far as outages go we had an outage here in New York City a few years
ago and they only recently got back up and running. OTA in the US still
depends on the grotesque big stick approach to broadcasting which is the
most vulnerable to outages of any TV system.

Bob Miller

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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:03:56 GMT K. B. <hotmail.com@lis2lis2> wrote:
| On 21 Sep 2005 19:43:14 GMT, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
| posted:
|
|>There needs
|>to be 8VSB/ATSC support in _every_ new model of TV set well before the
|>transition. Expediting the "tuner mandate" to "100%" for _all_ TV sets
|>(no exceptions based on screen size) would be an essential part of this.
|
| Looks like TV set makers are producing just monitors to get
| around the ATSC tuner mandate (the mandate requires an ATSC
| tuner only when there is an NTSC tuner in the TV).

And this cuts the costs, too.

But I wonder if they would be doing this even if there had not been a
tuner mandate, even past the analog cutoff date (whenever it happens).
Even without a law requiring it, once analog is cut off, an analog-only
tuner has little value.


| Provided a cable/satellite/xDSL STB has direct video and
| audio outputs, the lack of an NTSC tuner isn't a problem.

This is fine for people that don't care for OTA.

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