DVB-T USB Reciever Dongle - $100

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Aztech wrote:
> Thought this might be of interest to Bob and alike, you can now get DVB-T
> receivers in the form of USB dongles, they sell for around $100 USD
> including 17.5% tax :-
>
> http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/dvb-t.jpg
> http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView [...] =3S2L&mc=2
> http://www.freecom.com/objects/00005927.pdf
>
>
>
> Az.
>
>
Thanks. I think I listed some of these on a newsgroup months or even a
year or more ago. Maybe they were not for sale then.

The omni antennas included in some of these ads are too big though.

Bob Miller

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"Bob Miller" <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Aztech wrote:
>> Thought this might be of interest to Bob and alike, you can now get DVB-T
>> receivers in the form of USB dongles, they sell for around $100 USD
>> including 17.5% tax :-
>>
>> http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/dvb-t.jpg
>> http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView [...] =3S2L&mc=2
>> http://www.freecom.com/objects/00005927.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Az.
> Thanks. I think I listed some of these on a newsgroup months or even a
> year or more ago. Maybe they were not for sale then.

I think they've been around a while, I noticed it in passing on the
frontpage of dabs.com when I was buying some RAM. I mentioned the PCMCIA
version on here over a year ago.

Apparently Intel are going to do a Centrino style receiver for DAB/DTV, done
via cmos to boot.

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Aztech wrote:
> Thought this might be of interest to Bob and alike, you can now get DVB-T
> receivers in the form of USB dongles, they sell for around $100 USD
> including 17.5% tax :-
>
> http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/dvb-t.jpg
> http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView [...] =3S2L&mc=2
> http://www.freecom.com/objects/00005927.pdf

Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?

Matthew

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You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

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"Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
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> Aztech wrote:
>> Thought this might be of interest to Bob and alike, you can now get DVB-T
>> receivers in the form of USB dongles, they sell for around $100 USD
>> including 17.5% tax :-
>>
>> http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/dvb-t.jpg
>> http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView [...] =3S2L&mc=2
>> http://www.freecom.com/objects/00005927.pdf
>
> Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?

The decode is done in software so all of them do, people use the card I've
got in this PC to receive HD broadcasts in Australia.

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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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> Aztech (no@spam.com) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
>> > Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?
>>
>> The decode is done in software so all of them do
>
> The correct was to phrase this is "none of them do...they require separate
> very expensive hardware to do the job of decoding HD".

That's disingenuous, it's a small USB receiver intended for a PC.

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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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> Aztech (no@spam.com) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
>> >> > Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?
>> >>
>> >> The decode is done in software so all of them do
>> >
>> > The correct was to phrase this is "none of them do...they require
>> > separate
>> > very expensive hardware to do the job of decoding HD".
>>
>> That's disingenuous, it's a small USB receiver intended for a PC.
>
> Exactly my point. *None* of them decode HD (or even SD). Equivalent
> ATSC PCI cards cost the same. This shows quite clearly that the majority
> of the cost of an ATSC STB is the MPEG-2 HD decoding hardware, not the
> 8VSB tuner/demodulator.

Is there a ATSC receiver in the form of a dongle? The price is to do with
volumes not complexity, many complex things are extremely cheap compared to
many simpler less complex products that ship in lower volumes.

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Aztech wrote:
> "Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
> news:11j3rcm7fvkir50@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Aztech wrote:
>>
>>>Thought this might be of interest to Bob and alike, you can now get DVB-T
>>>receivers in the form of USB dongles, they sell for around $100 USD
>>>including 17.5% tax :-
>>>
>>>http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/dvb-t.jpg
>>>http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=3S2L&mc=2
>>>http://www.freecom.com/objects/00005927.pdf
>>
>>Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?
>
>
> The decode is done in software so all of them do, people use the card I've
> got in this PC to receive HD broadcasts in Australia.
>
>
Beat me to it.

Bob Miller

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Aztech (no@spam.com) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
> Is there a ATSC receiver in the form of a dongle?

Yep. They run about $150 because they have some utility that a PCI
card doesn't have: portable from machine to machine, and work on a laptop
with no PCI slots.

> The price is to do with
> volumes not complexity, many complex things are extremely cheap compared to
> many simpler less complex products that ship in lower volumes.

Agreed, but this isn't Bob Miller's thinking. He believes that DVB-T
receivers are less expensive because they use COFDM. The reality is that
for the same functionality, 8VSB and COFDM receivers cost the same right
now, and this is long before the really big volume discounts come into
play for 8VSB/ATSC.

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Jeff Rife wrote:
> Aztech (no@spam.com) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
>
>>Is there a ATSC receiver in the form of a dongle?
>
>
> Yep. They run about $150 because they have some utility that a PCI
> card doesn't have: portable from machine to machine, and work on a laptop
> with no PCI slots.
>
>
>> The price is to do with
>>volumes not complexity, many complex things are extremely cheap compared to
>>many simpler less complex products that ship in lower volumes.
>
>
> Agreed, but this isn't Bob Miller's thinking. He believes that DVB-T
> receivers are less expensive because they use COFDM. The reality is that
> for the same functionality, 8VSB and COFDM receivers cost the same right
> now, and this is long before the really big volume discounts come into
> play for 8VSB/ATSC.
>
Actually Bob Miller thinks both are true. That volume matters and having
a modulation that most of the world is using would lower cost for
receivers and that there is an inherently higher cost for 8-VSB because
of the acreage of silicon it needs to solve the problems that COFDM
solved 10 years ago and because of the continuing research to fix it,
something that the few manufacturers involved have been reluctant to do.

I think the basic problem of multipath with 8-VSB could have been fixed
years ago but at an exhobinant price. The prototype that LG supplied
last year that still is the best anyone has seen so far made use of
technology that cost too much. Hence the decision by LG and now MIT to
not make stand alone STBs. In fact they are not putting that prototype
technology into their DTV sets either.

So the cost so far for 8-VSB to even approach DVB-T in reception in just
the fixed location environment is still to high to produce and sell at a
profit.

Many have made the point that the US is a big enough market to go it
alone in modulation. Not according to LG where they still make and sell
COFDM HDTV receivers in Australia BUT NOT in the US even though they
have to pay royalties in OZ for COFDM while collecting royalties in the
US for 8-VSB.

Selling COFDM in the small market of OZ while ceasing sales of 8-VSB
STBs where you own the patent rights to 8-VSB in the US and publically
stating that they cannot make money with 8-VSB recievers in the US but
can make money in a market 1/16th as big, OZ, with COFDM is an argument
without refutation.

Or would you like to try? I would find that interesting.

Bob Miller

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Aztech wrote:
> "Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d9c8e3f70936501989fee@news.nabs.net...
>
>>Aztech (no@spam.com) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
>>
>>>>Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?
>>>
>>>The decode is done in software so all of them do
>>
>>The correct was to phrase this is "none of them do...they require separate
>>very expensive hardware to do the job of decoding HD".
>
>
> That's disingenuous, it's a small USB receiver intended for a PC.
>

How much does a PC that can do the decode correctly cost?

Matthew

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You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

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"Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
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> Aztech wrote:
>> "Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
>> news:11j3rcm7fvkir50@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>Aztech wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thought this might be of interest to Bob and alike, you can now get
>>>>DVB-T receivers in the form of USB dongles, they sell for around $100
>>>>USD including 17.5% tax :-
>>>>
>>>>http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/dvb-t.jpg
>>>>http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=3S2L&mc=2
>>>>http://www.freecom.com/objects/00005927.pdf
>>>
>>>Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?
>>
>>
>> The decode is done in software so all of them do, people use the card
>> I've got in this PC to receive HD broadcasts in Australia.
>
> No, the correct answer is that the decode is done in software so ++NONE++
> of them decode HD.

It's an adapter specifically made for a PC, the computer is more than
capable of decoding it, QED.

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"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
<
> This week Makro are offering a Bush DFTA 1000 Freeview receiver which is
> actually built into a SCART plug!.. the general idea apparently being that
> it instantly converts almost any TV into a DVB receiver.

Wonder if it's meant to be hidden behind the TV with a remote IR eye for the
front?

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Aztech wrote:
> "Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
> news:11j95ibelto5h66@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Aztech wrote:
>>
>>>"Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
>>>news:11j3rcm7fvkir50@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Aztech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thought this might be of interest to Bob and alike, you can now get
>>>>>DVB-T receivers in the form of USB dongles, they sell for around $100
>>>>>USD including 17.5% tax :-
>>>>>
>>>>>http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/dvb-t.jpg
>>>>>http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=3S2L&mc=2
>>>>>http://www.freecom.com/objects/00005927.pdf
>>>>
>>>>Someone has to ask: How many decode HD?
>>>
>>>
>>>The decode is done in software so all of them do, people use the card
>>>I've got in this PC to receive HD broadcasts in Australia.
>>
>>No, the correct answer is that the decode is done in software so ++NONE++
>>of them decode HD.
>
>
> It's an adapter specifically made for a PC, the computer is more than
> capable of decoding it, QED.

You have a funny definition of QED. The dongle can't decode anything,
contrary to your previous claim. Now you drag in the required PC and in
doing so have moved the goal posts to the other side of the field.

Matthew

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You can't break even
You can't get out of the game