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December 27, 2008 4:24:45 PM

hi i got a 17 inch wide screen thats 1440x900 resolution so i wanna know which ati to get 4650 or 4670? its a 20$ difference and im on budget... so would it make a gameplay difference on games like gta4, crysis then ps2 and xbox/360 games. kidda a mid gamer.

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a b U Graphics card
December 27, 2008 4:35:06 PM

4670 is the better card between those 2. There probably would be some difference. I would reccomend you also consider the nvidia 9600 gt for a little more or even a 9800gt or 4830.
a c 106 U Graphics card
December 27, 2008 4:56:21 PM

It's a pretty significant difference as the much lower memory speed on the 4650 gives it pretty low memory bandwidth. Get the 4670 and be happy.
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December 27, 2008 5:40:22 PM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
4670 is the better card between those 2. There probably would be some difference. I would reccomend you also consider the nvidia 9600 gt for a little more or even a 9800gt or 4830.


i found a galaxy geforce 9600gt at nice price...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

do pci x16 boards support the pci x16 2.0 cards?

would that card be better then 4670?

a b U Graphics card
December 27, 2008 5:51:39 PM

Yes PCI-e 2.0 cards a backward-compatible so it will work.

The 9600GT is slightly more powerful but if you OC the 4670 the margin will be really small. Also the 4670 is cheaper by a bit. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It depends what games you play, some favor ATI while others favor the GeForce architecture. Tom's has a review of the 4670 and you can see which games perform better with which card. Also the 9600GT needs a extra power connector so the 4670 uses less peak energy.
December 27, 2008 6:05:11 PM

sabot00 said:
Yes PCI-e 2.0 cards a backward-compatible so it will work.

The 9600GT is slightly more powerful but if you OC the 4670 the margin will be really small. Also the 4670 is cheaper by a bit. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It depends what games you play, some favor ATI while others favor the GeForce architecture. Tom's has a review of the 4670 and you can see which games perform better with which card. Also the 9600GT needs a extra power connector so the 4670 uses less peak energy.


which extra power connector? for which games its better? can u give me forum link? still undecided.. help!!
December 27, 2008 6:10:20 PM

I just had to make this same decision

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/258504-33-4650-gddr2-...

I went with 4670 of 4650 for the reasons stated above (faster, better memory). When you factor in the power comsumption of the 9600GT, I think the the additional bucks isn't worth it. Go with the 4670.
December 27, 2008 6:15:15 PM

synergymus said:
I just had to make this same decision

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/258504-33-4650-gddr2-...

I went with 4670 of 4650 for the reasons stated above (faster, better memory). When you factor in the power comsumption of the 9600GT, I think the the additional bucks isn't worth it. Go with the 4670.


actually there at the same price

hd 4670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 86$

Galaxy 96GFF6HUUEXV GeForce 9600 GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 85$

so........????
December 27, 2008 6:22:18 PM

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actually there at the same price

hd 4670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814141081 86$

Galaxy 96GFF6HUUEXV GeForce 9600 GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814162007 85$

so........????


I'm seeing the biostar at 76.99

but I got this one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 60.99 after rebate.

When I bought the Galaxy was 69.99 with rebate that was yesterday looks like Newegg lowered the price over night. :ouch:  Maybe you should wait a couple days. :D 
a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2008 12:13:06 AM

Look at my post, biostar @ 76 bucks so it's very close.
The 9600GT needs a PCI-e connector meaning it uses more than 75watts at PEAK while the 4670 uses less than 75watts, again at peak, so I assume the 4670 uses less power overall.
I can't find the review so here's one from Guru3d http://www.guru3d.com/article/ati-radeon-hd-4670-review...
a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2008 12:58:57 AM

It depends alot on the games you play, both are very close across the spectrum.

Read alot of reviews to see how they do in your specific games, because it doesn't matter if one is better 60% of the time if in the 3 games you play most the other is the better card.

As for the original question the 4670 is definitely worth the extra money if you want to use the card over a longer period of time and play with less hiccups the 4650 is more of a right now kind of card where that $20 tends to bite you is if you feel the need to refresh sooner.
a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2008 2:16:07 AM

Yeah the 4650 is quite a bit weaker than the 4670 and 9600GT. Read some reviews and depending on which games you play get the card that performs better.
a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2008 3:22:28 AM

It works this way, 4650>4670>9600gt.

9600gt is the best of those 3. I actually just ordered that Galaxy card you looked at for 85. So waiting for it to ship out. Free shipping on it right now too, making it nearly as cheap as the 4670 if you have a power supply that can handle it. However, if your power supply is not too great, the 4670 would have a better chance of running on it. Myself, I got a new power supply for Christmas, and new monitor, but wanted a good upgrade, so the 9600gt fit the bill for me.

Also, that Galaxy card comes pre overclocked I think.
a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2008 6:43:57 AM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
It works this way, 4650>4670>9600gt.

9600gt is the best of those 3.


I think you need to learn about what direction the > < needs to be to signify better than. :pt1cable: 

But really it depends alot on the games played as well as the resolution. Xbit does a pretty good job of exposing alot of games and resolutions and how there are many fluctuations even within the same game;

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/powercol...
a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2008 12:39:01 PM

Yeah yeah, lol. You get the idea, 9600 is supposed to be the best of the 3 regardless.....
a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2008 7:19:10 AM

Regardless of what?

If you look at the benchmarks, it's not always the best, it's just better overall on average, but not always.
December 29, 2008 2:34:59 PM

how much of a power supply would i need for 9600gt?
a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2008 3:49:39 PM

The one I bought says a 400 watt with 26 amps on the 12V+ rail. Though I purchased a factory overclocked 9600gt.

Either way, 4670 is a good card as well. May not need to upgrade the power supply for that. Overall, I think the 9600gt is 1 step up from a 4670, but 4670 is still a good card, and as mentioned, there are sometimes where the 2 cards might even trade blows.
a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2008 5:57:43 PM

Wow you really do love your GF9600GT and can't give props to something that not only trades blows, but also beats it cleanly also like in Call of Juarez, whereas the GF9600 beats it cleanly like in Tomb Raider.

Overall they trade blows, not "sometimes.. might even.."

The GF9600 is 'sometimes' better, leading to more wins than loses, but both are usually by small percentages, especially as resolution and complexity rises, neither is a significant step up, for that you need to go to the GF9800 or HD4830.
a b U Graphics card
December 30, 2008 1:58:34 AM

Man I'm not gonna fight with you over it. Point is, overall, the 9600gt is a better/faster card than the 4670. That said, I think the 4670 is an excellent card for someone on a budget, but if you've got the PSU for it, the 9600gt is not bad either. To be honest, I looked at the 4670 as originally the 4670 was the card I originally planned, but when I got a new PSU and found a Galaxy 9600gt overclocked for 85 bucks and free shipping, sorry that's a deal. The 4670 is 80, but you figure shipping for 7 bucks, the 9600gt in that instance is clearly a better buy.

To the op, either way, either card is going to be a good deal. And if power is a concern, pick up the 4670. Myself, I have a good PSU, and the 9600gt fit my budget just right. But you say you are on a budget, again, check your power supply and if the power supply seems to be an issue, grab the 4670 because you would spend more on a new psu as well, and that would not be worth it. But if you already have the juice, go with a 9600gt or better. This is coming from a guy who's never built a system using intel as of yet, always have had AMD stuff and have had ATI stuff before AMD bought them up, and it was great tech. Either way, the competition is working in the favor of the consumer:) 
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