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December 29, 2008 1:32:23 AM

I had originally decided to crossfire 2 4870s but then I was reading about GPUs and resolutions. I will be gaming on an Acer 22" monitor and was wondering if crossfire is needed. I have the following options to choose from:

Single 4870
4870s in crossfire
GTX 260
GTX 280

As always, take money into consideration. Is crossfire needed? Is the GTX 280 overkill for this resolution? Is a single 4870 or GTX 260 enough?

I will be playing FPS games such as COD4/5, Farcry 2, Left4Dead, etc...

Thanks in advance!
December 29, 2008 2:09:24 AM

I have a 21' LCD and I play most of my games at its maxed resolution, 1680.1050, mostly on High with AA enabled with a single 4850. I play the exact games as you: in FarCry2 I play with Very High (the one below the Ultra) with 4X AA and I get on average of 40 FPS in DX 10; COD 4/5 and L4D run smooth (~50) maxed.

So, I think if you're just at that resolution, you should only need a 4850. You could get a 4870, but I think that would be overkill for your resolution.

BTW, I have a Phenom X4 9950 at 2.6 GHz, 4 GB DDR 2 (GSkill at 800MHz), and the 512 MB 4850 Radeon on 64-bit Ultimate Vista SP1.
a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2008 2:43:08 AM

Im with btc2008 .

A single 4850 is enough . Its what i use and its fine .

If the budget is a bit higher then go with a single gtx 260 or 4870 and enjoy the higher frame rates

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December 29, 2008 3:37:28 AM

Alright, thanks. This brings up another question though. Why are there sooo many people wanting to run Dual 4870X2s and GTX280s in SLI??? What size monitor would even require that?
December 29, 2008 4:16:12 AM

Cross Fire or SLI at 1680x1050 will offer little benefit. Driver issues and trying to fine tune performance will make you so mad you'll want to punch a baby. (End of rant.)

Go for the gtx 280. The 4870 1gb is an excellent card at it's price point but nvidia really has their s**t together when it comes to drivers (64 bit).....at least for now. Overkill for 1680x1050? Not for me but I like to crank the settings all the way and I have to have vertical sync on.

Happy New Year
December 29, 2008 9:32:28 AM

SINGLE 4870 1GB
December 29, 2008 1:50:28 PM

Peaks said:
SINGLE 4870 1GB


I still think that's uber-overkill. Single 512 MB 4850 is great for that resolution.
December 29, 2008 2:12:45 PM

am71 said:
Cross Fire or SLI at 1680x1050 will offer little benefit. Driver issues and trying to fine tune performance will make you so mad you'll want to punch a baby. (End of rant.)

Go for the gtx 280. The 4870 1gb is an excellent card at it's price point but nvidia really has their s**t together when it comes to drivers (64 bit).....at least for now. Overkill for 1680x1050? Not for me but I like to crank the settings all the way and I have to have vertical sync on.

Happy New Year



If the 4850 maxed out those games at this resolution then the GTX 280 wouldn't be used to its fullest, right? The GTX 280 is also twice as much as a 4870.
December 29, 2008 2:16:58 PM

pmacdonald said:
If the 4850 maxed out those games at this resolution then the GTX 280 wouldn't be used to its fullest, right? The GTX 280 is also twice as much as a 4870.


Exactly, because with a GTX 280 you have to worry about having not only a good PSU, but also having a CPU that is decent enough not to be the bottleneck (probably the Intel Extreme models just to be safe, or an overclocked E8400 or Quad model).

Which brings my next question: What processor do you have/are you planning to use?
December 29, 2008 5:17:40 PM

The lowest end processor I'm thinking of putting in my build is the E8400 which will be overclocked and I will be buying this heatsink XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler.

My PSU will be a PC Power and Cooling 750W. I'm not worried about these two parts bottlenecking a GTX 280 but what I'm worried about is the resolution.

I've looked into an i7 build and its around $120 more for the processor, $170 more for the motherboard, and $125 more for the memory. I can afford that but the benefits aren't worth the price (I game mostly, browse the web, do both at the same time, and work with Adobe Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and Flash).
December 30, 2008 3:20:01 AM

pmacdonald said:
I'm not worried about these two parts bottlenecking a GTX 280 but what I'm worried about is the resolution.

I've looked into an i7 build and its around $120 more for the processor, $170 more for the motherboard, and $125 more for the memory.


Well, if you can afford all that plus the GTX 280, then I'd reconsider your monitor. Get one that can sport the 1900 and higher threshold resolutions because having an i7 (which they technically say isn't a gaming machine, but you're planning on using it for other things) and all that other high end business deserves to have a resolution higher than 1680.1050.
a c 355 U Graphics card
December 30, 2008 3:22:42 AM

Single card. Less headaches.
December 30, 2008 3:16:59 PM

btc2008 said:
Well, if you can afford all that plus the GTX 280, then I'd reconsider your monitor. Get one that can sport the 1900 and higher threshold resolutions because having an i7 (which they technically say isn't a gaming machine, but you're planning on using it for other things) and all that other high end business deserves to have a resolution higher than 1680.1050.


I can't afford an i7 system, a new monitor, and that GPU. I don't think I'll have a problem working in photoshop with an E8500 since I currently use photohshop on my intel celeron w/512mb of ram.

Options:
1) Get a Core i7 build with a 4870 and a 22" Acer monitor.
2) Get an E8400/E8500 with a 4870 in crossfire or GTX280 (the GTX280 should even be dropping in price soon) with a slightly larger monitor. The extra 4870 would not be bought right away with the pc as this would be at the bridge of my budget.

At my current stage I feel that a Core i7 may be a bit overkill. I'm going into Computer Science and Engineering but since I game 70%+ of the time I don't think I will benefit THAT much more from the i7 as of now...at least not for the performance to price ratio.

No matter what the monitor will be TN Panel because of the price difference.

I'm trying to keep the total cost of the build around $1500 which is more than enough for a pc to max out just about all of today's games. I'd like to keep the price right around $300. It seems a 24" is the largest size that I can go with in that price range. This is one of the models I could go with:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What do you guys think?
December 30, 2008 6:29:56 PM

Quote:

I'm trying to keep the total cost of the build around $1500 which is more than enough for a pc to max out just about all of today's games. I'd like to keep the price right around $300. It seems a 24" is the largest size that I can go with in that price range. This is one of the models I could go with:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824001309


So it's apparent now that you want to go the big-gun route, which is still awesome. My advice: Get a single GTX 280 or a 1GB 4870 and you could use those with either a E8400 or E8500 (overclocking can be applied later too), and I found a monitor that is a tad cheaper then the one you suggested, but nevertheless a great brand (I have a 1080i HDTV from this company for about 8 months and has worked fabulously).

SCEPTRE X24WG-1080P Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 4000:1 w/ Built in Speakers & HDCP Support - Retail
$20 off w/ promo code EMCBCCGBF, ends 1/1/09


Notice the promo code you must enter. Free shipping as well. So it'd be 259 or something, but you have to act fast, as it ends Thursday! The promo code entry that is, but w/out it, the price is normally 279.

Hopefully you read this in time, lol.
December 30, 2008 6:31:23 PM

btc2008 said:
Quote:

I'm trying to keep the total cost of the build around $1500 which is more than enough for a pc to max out just about all of today's games. I'd like to keep the price right around $300. It seems a 24" is the largest size that I can go with in that price range. This is one of the models I could go with:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824001309


So it's apparent now that you want to go the big-gun route, which is still awesome. My advice: Get a single GTX 280 or a 1GB 4870 and you could use those with either a E8400 or E8500 (overclocking can be applied later too), and I found a monitor that is a tad cheaper then the one you suggested, but nevertheless a great brand (I have a 1080i HDTV from this company for about 8 months and has worked fabulously).

SCEPTRE X24WG-1080P Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 4000:1 w/ Built in Speakers & HDCP Support - Retail
$20 off w/ promo code EMCBCCGBF, ends 1/1/09


Notice the promo code you must enter. Free shipping as well. So it'd be 259 or something, but you have to act fast, as it ends Thursday! The promo code entry that is, but w/out it, the price is normally 279.

Hopefully you read this in time, lol.


Yarg, something wrong with the URL button, here's the URL:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
December 30, 2008 6:53:55 PM

btc2008 said:

So it's apparent now that you want to go the big-gun route, which is still awesome. My advice: Get a single GTX 280 or a 1GB 4870 and you could use those with either a E8400 or E8500 (overclocking can be applied later too), and I found a monitor that is a tad cheaper then the one you suggested, but nevertheless a great brand (I have a 1080i HDTV from this company for about 8 months and has worked fabulously).

SCEPTRE X24WG-1080P Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 4000:1 w/ Built in Speakers & HDCP Support - Retail
$20 off w/ promo code EMCBCCGBF, ends 1/1/09


Notice the promo code you must enter. Free shipping as well. So it'd be 259 or something, but you have to act fast, as it ends Thursday! The promo code entry that is, but w/out it, the price is normally 279.

Hopefully you read this in time, lol.


What's the 'big-gun' route supposed to mean? lol, I saw that monitor but wasn't sure of the quality. The price is pretty good though. I know the GTX 280 would be a good performer at a 24" resolution but I'm not so sure that a 1GB 4870 would. Two 512MB 4870s in crossfire would be fine though. The two 512MB 4870s comes out to be a little more than one GTX 280.

O, and I visit these forums every hour or so :pt1cable:  .
December 30, 2008 7:24:44 PM

pmacdonald said:
What's the 'big-gun' route supposed to mean? lol, I saw that monitor but wasn't sure of the quality. The price is pretty good though. I know the GTX 280 would be a good performer at a 24" resolution but I'm not so sure that a 1GB 4870 would. Two 512MB 4870s in crossfire would be fine though. The two 512MB 4870s comes out to be a little more than one GTX 280.

O, and I visit these forums every hour or so :pt1cable:  .


My bad, I meant the 4870 X2, a single card solution that performs rather competitively with a single 260/280. See here:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/08/13/amd-ati-rad...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4870-x2-review-...


And, X-fire will just give you headaches: most games don't fully support it and one card ends up getting more load and the other is like only used less than half its efficiency. But I'm not condoning a SLI/X-fire setup, just think it ends up causing more headaches than a single card solution.

See you in another hour.
December 30, 2008 9:12:29 PM

I know the GTX 260 = Radeon 4870 FOR THE MOST PART
And the GTX 280 and Radeon 4870 X2 are semi-close in performance with the Radeon 4870 X2 slightly above IMO.

You recommended those for a 24" monitor. Adding the price of one of those cards and the 24", it adds up out of my budget.

Now I think I got a little lost in this post... For a 1680x1050 resolution, one person said a 4850 maxed out the FPS. Another person says they use a GTX 280 at this resolution because they like the eye candy EVEN THOUGH the person with the 4850 said they had the games running on high aswell.

After looking into it and considering my budget I have decided a few things:
1) The Core i7 setup is a no go.
2) The 24" monitor is a no go because I don't feel I can max out the graphics with a single 4870 512MB and can't afford better.
3) I'm going with a 22" and probably a single 4870 512MB since this seems to max out all of today's high-end games.

What do you guys think?
December 31, 2008 1:03:58 AM

pmacdonald said:
I know the GTX 260 = Radeon 4870 FOR THE MOST PART
And the GTX 280 and Radeon 4870 X2 are semi-close in performance with the Radeon 4870 X2 slightly above IMO.

You recommended those for a 24" monitor. Adding the price of one of those cards and the 24", it adds up out of my budget.

Now I think I got a little lost in this post... For a 1680x1050 resolution, one person said a 4850 maxed out the FPS. Another person says they use a GTX 280 at this resolution because they like the eye candy EVEN THOUGH the person with the 4850 said they had the games running on high aswell.

After looking into it and considering my budget I have decided a few things:
1) The Core i7 setup is a no go.
2) The 24" monitor is a no go because I don't feel I can max out the graphics with a single 4870 512MB and can't afford better.
3) I'm going with a 22" and probably a single 4870 512MB since this seems to max out all of today's high-end games.

What do you guys think?


LOL, I was the one who said that you can max (even with a bit of AA) out the 1680.1050 with a SINGLE 4850. Am71 was the one who said the eye candy bit and the 280. It's all a matter of personal preference as to what you find 'playable' in terms of FPS. Some find that no less than 60 FPS is unacceptable while others find 30 acceptable. I run most games in the 40 FPS range (minus Crysis) with considerable eye-candy (up to about 4X AA) with my single 4850 and X4 9950.

Seriously, if you're on a budget, then it be cheaper to get a 4850. You'll be fine with it.
December 31, 2008 1:26:53 AM

I am on a budget but the 4870 fits my budget well. I actually have $100 on top of the 4870 left over to put into the system but I'm not sure where it will go. That DOESN'T leave room for an extra 2" in a monitor or a really expensive GPU.

I'd like to max out the FPS in COD4. I know a guy using Dual 8800GTs on a Q6600 and he's maxed out his FPS in COD4 with all the eye candy.
December 31, 2008 2:58:27 AM

pmacdonald said:
I am on a budget but the 4870 fits my budget well. I actually have $100 on top of the 4870 left over to put into the system but I'm not sure where it will go. That DOESN'T leave room for an extra 2" in a monitor or a really expensive GPU.

I'd like to max out the FPS in COD4. I know a guy using Dual 8800GTs on a Q6600 and he's maxed out his FPS in COD4 with all the eye candy.


COD4 is not hard to max out. You could easily max it on a single 8800 GTS on a low dual.
December 31, 2008 4:26:04 AM

I've been looking more into it because I what to be 100% happy with whatever I purchase and here's a complete make-up of what I have decided on so far:

Processor
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - $159.99
Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - $136.99 / $116.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate
Power Supply Unit (PSU)
PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - $109.99 / $69.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate
Memory
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B - $44.99
Heatsink
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - $36.99 / $26.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate
XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - $8.49
Case
NZXT TEMPEST Crafted Series CS-NT-TEM-B Black Steel / Plastic ATX MId Tower Computer Case - $99.99 / $69.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate
Video Card
BFG Tech BFGEGTX2801024OCE GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - $369.99 / $334.99 after $35.00 Mail-In Rebate (with free CoD5)
Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $69.99
CD-ROM/DVD
SAMSUNG 22X DVD+R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S223Q - $28.99
Thermal Compound
Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound $6.99
Monitor
SCEPTRE X24WG-1080P Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 4000:1 w/ Built in Speakers & HDCP Support - $279.99 - $20 instantly with promo code
Speakers
Logitech S-220 17 Watts 2.1 Multimedia Speaker System - $22.99
OS
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - $99.99

Even with the GTX 280 and the Sceptre 24" monitor I am JUST below the $1500 mark with rebates (what I did not show that I have to get is a new keyboard/mouse pad).

I really would like to play Crysis on its highest settings. I'm not sure that a GTX 280 would be enough on a 24" monitor where as I would see better performance on a 22" monitor. I'm also not sure of the quality of that monitor. The price is great but I'm not sure if I would get quality.

I chose that motherboard because for the price it is great. It can run SLI or Crossfire at x16 and x8. That wouldn't sacrifice much at all in terms of performance on a 24" screen. The X48 motherboards just don't seem worth it.

Any opinions on how Crysis will run? (I will be overclocked the GPU to hopefully around 3.8GHz if not higher)


EDIT: I just found another choice for a monitor. http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.... - They ship free and are checked for dead pixels. What do you think?
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