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March 2, 2009 5:20:47 PM

Running Q6600 OC 2.9 - now in my Asus Rampage Formula with 8GB DDR2 Ram - 1066. Been playing Warhammer online and it seems like I'm Lagging alot in some hardcore battles.. PPl been telling me to go with E8400-8600 Cpu any truth to that? Running Ati. 4870x2


Like to have the best setup in reason, any help would be great..

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March 2, 2009 6:38:56 PM

I doubt going back to E8400~E8600 will net you any significant improvement. You should be looking at possible network bottleneck, or update the graphics card drivers. 4870X2 has been known (a while ago) to have micro-stuttering.
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March 2, 2009 7:00:16 PM

i disagree. though i heard warhammer is full of memory leaks and bugs, i believe going to a E8500 @ 3.8-4.5 gighz will significantly improve your performance - especially with a 4870x2.

edit: btw you HEAVILY bottlenecked by your CPU. you GPU deserves better....

warhammer, like MANY other games, at best utilizes 2 cores. so here you have a situation where you have 2 cores out of 4 working their butts off and the other 2 are simple sitting there. its better for games to have 2 cores that are heavily overclocked than have 4 that are semi overclocked and only use 2.

also: the E8600 is not worth it. E8400 or E8500 with E0 stepping ftw.
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March 2, 2009 7:06:21 PM

can I just replace my cpu without redoing my hard drive.. guess what I'm asking can i just swap them out?
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March 2, 2009 7:08:16 PM

lol you do not have to switch anything out but the CPU. definitely get back to us when you do the switch.

edit: one last thing, though at stock levels a wolfdale will rape a quad in that game, you really need to overclock it to get its full potential out. they can hit 3.8 on stock voltage sometimes, and even hit 4.5 on air. best of luck.
March 2, 2009 7:19:32 PM

E8400 + nice OC (cooling needed)

have fun ;) 
March 2, 2009 7:24:26 PM

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edit: btw you HEAVILY bottlenecked by your CPU. you GPU deserves better....


Of course that you are not heavily bottleneck by your CPU. Warhammer is known for lags and crashes, check the google how many people are complaining about that but it has nothing to do with your GPU or CPU. You CPU is absolutely fine (http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770) only to try to overclock it a bit more. Your X48 mobo should do batter job, try it to push at 3.2 Ghz and you are OK with every game, even most demanding FPS…no 8400-8600 is needed…you can gain some performance boost going for Core i7 but this is not clever at all, massive investment and some 5-8% preformance increase, but definitely any salvation from e8xxx in this respect

March 3, 2009 1:50:11 AM

can OC to 3.0 my NB/SB is around 60c don't wanna push it much pass it
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March 3, 2009 2:47:43 AM

I just realized that 90% of people here on Tomshardware froums are overclock crazy. XD
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March 3, 2009 2:48:40 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
I just realized that 90% of people here on Tomshardware froums are overclock crazy. XD


actually im downclocked to 1.9 :p 
March 3, 2009 2:48:41 AM

why do un wanna get 2 cores when u have a 4 cores?? and q6600 is a very good proccy and wanna change it only coz of 'A' GAME???? HOW WEIRD IS THAT !!!sytick to watever u have and try to oc it or play some other game and if u have loads of cash to spare plz gimme some!
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March 3, 2009 2:50:24 AM

sid_nag17 said:
why do un wanna get 2 cores when u have a 4 cores?? and q6600 is a very good proccy and wanna change it only coz of 'A' GAME???? HOW WEIRD IS THAT !!!sytick to watever u have and try to oc it or play some other game and if u have loads of cash to spare plz gimme some!


would you rather play games on a 2.2 quad core or a 3.1 dual core? mind you games these days only use 2 cores.


very noob assumption is that more cores = faster overall system. how about you buy a processor that has 10 cores that all run at 600 mghz, tell me how that works for you in games.
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March 3, 2009 2:52:58 AM

Btw, his problem is software/drivers/game-bug/glitch related.

His system is good enough to run Crysis on very high with good frame rates, so his hardware should have no problems handling a relatively "old" game such as Warhammer online. (warhammer online's min requirements are a 2.5Ghz P4 and a 128mb video card, lol)
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March 3, 2009 2:53:28 AM

werxen said:
actually im downclocked to 1.9 :p 


lol, what? why?
March 3, 2009 2:56:06 AM

I would have to agree, I would be shocked if you see any significant improvement in your gaming experience. The Q6600 OC'd is a solid processor. I've been running in one of my rigs for quite some time, I still don't see any reason to upgrade...yet. I'd put money on latency or something like that. How fast is your HD? With 8 gigs of ram I'm assuming you deleted your swap file. May be none of these things but to rule them out for free. Buying another processor and it doesn't fix it then you spent a couple hundred $ to gain 2-3 fps.
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March 3, 2009 5:17:08 AM

sid_nag17 said:
why do un wanna get 2 cores when u have a 4 cores?? and q6600 is a very good proccy and wanna change it only coz of 'A' GAME???? HOW WEIRD IS THAT !!!sytick to watever u have and try to oc it or play some other game and if u have loads of cash to spare plz gimme some!


The reason is because very few games use more than 2 cores. The E8xx series cpu's have a higher clock speed. That equals better performance. The E8600 is a bit overpriced. The E8400/8500 are better price/performance value.

In games, the dual cores toast the quads. The E7400 will perform similar to the q6600. The E8xx series will give some boost. However, I do caution, lags are usually b/c of network, not hardware.
March 3, 2009 6:22:16 AM

yes i do agree that two very fast cores are better in performance than 4 medium fast cores but its not that q6600 is a **** proccy rite??? the point im trying to make is why spend close to $200 for a dual core when u can play games very well on the q6600 and save up that cash for future upgrade?
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March 3, 2009 7:07:26 AM

Well your q6600 is only OC'd to 2.9 right? With an E8600 you would get at least 4.2 (usually). 1.3ghz should yield some improvement if you ask me. I get 4.0ghz with an E8400 and Warhammer 'all high 1680x1050' during big rvr keep/fort battles when there is 50+ people casting stuff lags me as well (with 1 48701GB), but not bad.. I never drop below 20 and am usually at 70-100(max), and only when spell effects are on, I'd figure an X2 would do swell but *shrug.
March 3, 2009 8:52:47 AM

try to OC more, I am sure that x48 mobo can do better job, did you try to increase Vcore, but Q6600 can OC at 3.0 without touching voltage...once again your CPU is absolutely OK, Warhammer is your problem…

www.legionhardware.com, scaling 4870x2 with e8400 at 3.6 Ghz and q6600 at stock (2.4 Ghz) – resolution 1920x1200, oced e8400 always won but the difference is small:
Company of Heroes – 1.3%
Devil may Cry 4 – 0.4%
Quake Wars – 7.1%
Supreme Commander – 12%
UT3 – 3%

Ooce again bear on the mind – e8400 is already overclocked and q6600 is at stock


March 3, 2009 10:56:04 AM

Did you have aftermarket cooling ? if yes and your temp are still nice, OC this Q6600. If you reach 3.2-3.4 youll se a nice improvement.
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March 3, 2009 3:17:51 PM

sefit said:
try to OC more, I am sure that x48 mobo can do better job, did you try to increase Vcore, but Q6600 can OC at 3.0 without touching voltage...once again your CPU is absolutely OK, Warhammer is your problem…

www.legionhardware.com, scaling 4870x2 with e8400 at 3.6 Ghz and q6600 at stock (2.4 Ghz) – resolution 1920x1200, oced e8400 always won but the difference is small:
Company of Heroes – 1.3%
Devil may Cry 4 – 0.4%
Quake Wars – 7.1%
Supreme Commander – 12%
UT3 – 3%

Ooce again bear on the mind – e8400 is already overclocked and q6600 is at stock



weird. cuz stock vs. stock here on TOMS the dual ALWAYS comes ahead in practically EVERYTHING:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008-q1-2...[1268]=on&prod[1275]=on

even multi threaded apps. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Q6600... like i said. laughable.
March 3, 2009 7:13:05 PM

have cosmo case with 7 fans inside, ever time I OC to 3.2 damn comp turns off. cpu temp 40c, NB 56, SB 50 would be great if the system wouldn't restart... here my spec..




ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard /////
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s ////
G.SKILL 8GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) ////
ATI 4870x2////
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 ////
OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI 700W ATX12V Power Supply ////
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler//// OS XP 64bit
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March 3, 2009 7:47:57 PM

not all Q6600 can OC like people claim. in my experience you are LUCKY if you can get it to 3.2.
March 3, 2009 8:47:19 PM

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weird. cuz stock vs. stock here on TOMS the dual ALWAYS comes ahead in practically EVERYTHING:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts [...] .html?prod[1268]=on&prod[1275]=on

even multi threaded apps. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Q6600... like i said. laughable.


That’s what I am saying, oced e8400 at 3.6 ALWAYS won a NEGLIGIBLE bit over stock q6600 so when you oced q6600 at, let´s say, 3.3 – pretty much equal game…on RESOLUTION 1920x1200 of course which is must for 4870x2. I think that we do not need to elaborate here noob topic about GPU-CPU dependence ratio concerning different resolution.

And going back to tom´s charts ONLY at 1650x1080

Crysis – e8600 10% over q6600
e8500 6% over q6600
e8400 3.5% over q6600

Supreme Commander - q6600 6% over e8600
q6600 10% over e8500
q6600 11% over e8400


UT3 – e8600 15% over q6600
e8500 11% over q6600
e8400 6% over q6600


World in Conflict - e8600 25% over q6600
e8500 20% over q6600
e8400 13% over q6600


so q6600 at stock defeat any e8xxx in Supreme Commander, vice versa in World in Conflict every e8xxx is much better but this game is well-known for its love to high CPU frequency, check q6700 and see the boost about 7% and that’s practically same CPU only at 2.66 and q5500 at stock is equal to e8600 moreover e8600 is 70 $ more than q6600. Crysis and UT3 results are pretty much clear - small loss for q6600 at stock. Everything what is needed to do with old good q6600 - decent overclock.

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have cosmo case with 7 fans inside, ever time I OC to 3.2 damn comp turns off. cpu temp 40c, NB 56, SB 50 would be great if the system wouldn't restart... here my spec..


I don’t know dude...look at this
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus_rampage_fo...

q6600 at 3.3 stable, maybe try it at first with only 4 GB of RAM (2sticks), if you have 8Gb on 4 sticks that might be tricky…


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not all Q6600 can OC like people claim. in my experience you are LUCKY if you can get it to 3.2.


and I have experience that old p35 can do q6600 OC at 3.0 without voltage increase and 3.2 without any struggling…
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March 3, 2009 9:02:50 PM

sid_nag17 said:
yes i do agree that two very fast cores are better in performance than 4 medium fast cores but its not that q6600 is a **** proccy rite??? the point im trying to make is why spend close to $200 for a dual core when u can play games very well on the q6600 and save up that cash for future upgrade?


Have you looked at the prices?

Q6600 - $198
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

E8500 - $188
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 3, 2009 9:16:13 PM

Did Newegg jack up the Q6600 prices? A month ago they were $180ish.
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March 3, 2009 11:26:55 PM

Probably, I've seen a few prices fluctuating recently.
March 3, 2009 11:40:42 PM

I seriously doubt that swapping out your cpu for a dual core will help the problem. For one, Warhammer online is not a demanding game, and I doubt it's hitting the limit your cpu can handle.

One way to check is to run Warhammer on the lowest graphical settings and check the frame rates. Then, downclock the cpu and see if the frame rates lower significantly.

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very noob assumption is that more cores = faster overall system. how about you buy a processor that has 10 cores that all run at 600 mghz, tell me how that works for you in games.

Jumping to the conclusion that a dual core will actually help without any evidence is also not a good idea. The OP want's the best possible solution, and buying a dual core for a 5-10% fps increase may not be the most viable choice.
March 4, 2009 12:16:06 AM

Stick with the damn Q6600 and get a better cooler to get to 3.6 Ghz and chill for a few years, simple.
March 4, 2009 12:17:26 AM

werxen said:
not all Q6600 can OC like people claim. in my experience you are LUCKY if you can get it to 3.2.


All the ones I've overclocked can hit atleast 3.6 Ghz, one could hit 3.8 Ghz you just need good cooling.
March 4, 2009 2:32:16 AM

I run my Q6600 oc at 3.2ghz no problum with hd4870 512 4gb ram. well actually 3325mb vista32. and i have no problems running warhammer at all. in 3dmark i am right close to i7/gtx260 15600 i get 15108.
If you are going to spend some money you would probably be better off to get a new cooler for your cpu.
If you have a SLACR Q6600 3.0/3.4ghz should be easy to get.
Also it could be your mobo or cpu cooler holding you back if the temps are to high.
March 4, 2009 8:53:11 AM

...hmmm looking at your cooler...Xigmatek HDT-S1283 is well-recommended CPU cooler, still holds its ground, maybe slightly bit more noisy than others but definitely good overclocker. Which stepping is your q6600 B3 or G0? Try to tweak it more in your BIOS or maybe you are just unlucky one with bad OC chip, something like opposite to golden chip heck :( 
March 4, 2009 9:35:48 AM

Yeah I see that, my Xigmatek on my mother's Q6600 certainly wont hit 60c at 3.0 Ghz. I'm guessing there might be something wrong with the CPU, not that it is just a bad overclocker.
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March 4, 2009 4:46:55 PM

sefit said:
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so q6600 at stock defeat any e8xxx in Supreme Commander, vice versa in World in Conflict every e8xxx is much better but this game is well-known for its love to high CPU frequency, check q6700 and see the boost about 7% and that’s practically same CPU only at 2.66 and q5500 at stock is equal to e8600 moreover e8600 is 70 $ more than q6600. Crysis and UT3 results are pretty much clear - small loss for q6600 at stock. Everything what is needed to do with old good q6600 - decent overclock.
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Supreme Commander won for multi core optimization. Supreme Commander and World in Conflict both have high cpu dependency. And the E8600 is expensive for more of a reason than its stock 100mhz increase. Q6600 is old news. Yeah its strong, yeah its stable, yeah it overclocks (not nearly as good as it used to on average, imho), but it is OLD... old tech, old name, low clocks stock and overclocked compared to todays new things. It's still a good CPU, its just old news is all. There is better now in ever aspect, and very affordable too. Especially when a dual core keeps up with a quad core in a program that is multi-core optimized... it may be time to let go of the q6600 :) .
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March 4, 2009 7:29:01 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:
All the ones I've overclocked can hit atleast 3.6 Ghz, one could hit 3.8 Ghz you just need good cooling.


see its never been a cooling problem for me, the damn chips would not break 3.2 for the life of me. granted, 3.2 is a pretty good overclock from stock. the only thing that i do not like is how much voltage increase you have to deliver for the Q6600 for even reach those frequencies.
March 4, 2009 11:37:47 PM

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see its never been a cooling problem for me, the damn chips would not break 3.2 for the life of me. granted, 3.2 is a pretty good overclock from stock.


once again and last time, overclocking q6600 on P45 mobo is breeze, in most cases 3.0 without Vcore increase and 3.2 with some if not…bad luck with bad chip…X48 is not as good overclocker as P45 but still can do decent job…just google it.


Spoiler
Yeah its strong, yeah its stable, yeah it overclocks (not nearly as good as it used to on average, imho), but it is OLD... old tech, old name, low clocks stock and overclocked compared to todays new things. It's still a good CPU, its just old news is all. There is better now in ever aspect, and very affordable too. Especially when a dual core keeps up with a quad core in a program that is multi-core optimized... it may be time to let go of the q6600 :) 


Q6600 is OLD but RELIABLE. Intel shot in its legs…multiplier x9 and Vcore up to 1.5, try it on e8400/8500 and you can make BBC on your comp. This CPU is bestseller, best bang for buck, good overclocker, fine for multitasking, applications and also games. That’s also a reason why this “old crap” is more expensive than “shiny and brilliant” e8400/8500.


But this tread is not about our opinions on q6600 and e8xxx. Forsakenevil asked whether there is some sense to suck his q6600 and go for E8400-e8600. Answer is NO. Now you can barely get half of its present value (it is used already) and so you need to add another 100$ to go with e8500 or 170$ to buy e8600 and for what…lousy 5% performance boost in SOME games…
March 5, 2009 5:12:45 AM

I agree with sefit! there is no point in going backwards if you are going to upgrade might as well spend more $ and get i7 or new AMD.
From his orginial post sound's like his chipset is to hot not his cpu. maybe to much voltag running through it some one with the same mobo might be able to help you better.
June 13, 2009 9:49:47 AM

[Aeolas]
Hi friend,

I also consider to get a new cpu, since i have the q6600 B3 (lapped) on watercooling (+650Euro),
i overclocked it to 4 ghz computer starts but wont go in Windows. so i lowered to 3.7 or 3.8ghz temps load around 60degrees celsius. but it always fail in prime95, that means 1 or 2 cpu fail. but as i can see... i still got a duo core out of it. but the voltages i have to put through it is around 1.57+

Now that i am in Hong Kong i was considering to buy a new cpu, i was thinking of a q9550(s) before or a q9650, i read about it, that its a good cpu to OC but is it worth it to buy, since there is the i7, or for next year when then new i7 comes out. Then i read about the E8xxx then i was thinking should i buy that instead of the Q versions. Thx for the tread on this. but i still dont know if i would upgrade it or not.

Now i think what the hell i just stay with my q6600 fully OC'ed to 3.6-3.8ghz, i still got a duocore and temps are low. i will use it untill it dies, after i will build a new one with new tech. My GPU xfx 8800 ultra extreme died on me, so i send back to xfx and they gave me a xfx gts 250 core edition in return, because they couldn't deliver the 8800 ultra anymore. i was thinking also to upgrade the gpu but i think just Watercool it and OC it to the max and just use this old setup untill its old to play new games on high resolutions.

What u think?

So in your situation i think you better keep your old system and just OC it higher then 3ghz, u always will have 2 or 3 cpu's working that means still a Duo Core right :D 
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Rig Specs
OS: xp64
case: Lian Li A10
mobo: Asus Blitz Extreme
cpu: Q6600 B3: 3.72 vcore 1.5x (Lapped may 5th, 2009, 11:15pm)
psu: Thermaltake 1200 watt
mem: Corsair 2x2gb dd3 1333 - 9.9.9.24
hd: 2x WD75gb raptor (raid0), 2xWD500gb (raid0)
gpu: borrowd from my brother. 8800 gs. Mine was a xfx 8800 ultra xtreme but isn't working anymore so i send it to XFX and wait to get a new one.

Liquid Cooling System Specs
tubing size: 1/2 Connections
radiator: Thermochill 120.3
pump: Laing D5-MCP655
cpu block: D-tek Fuzion v2
resevoir: DangerDen 5.25bay
fan: 3xYate Loon 120mm D12SL (Pull config) & other fans
case fan: Scyte 5'25 for front panel.
shroud: TFC Xtender BLue Universal 120mm
tube: Fesser UV High Flow en Flexible
liquid: 4x Fesser 500ml VS.C (without UV=is better for cooling, that is what i read)
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