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January 1, 2009 11:09:05 AM

I've been reading the latest articles, charts and what graphic cards to buy after my current Nvidia 7950GT 256MB has begun to struggle with newer games such as running Fallout 3 on low-mid settings and barely running Grand Theft Auto IV at all.

At the moment, I am weighing up the Powercolor 4850 512mb or the Palit 9800GTX+ 512mb

I had considered the variants of the 4850 and feel quite bewildered by the options and price scope within choosing a different manufacturer, memory amount or what the heck the play model is over an extreme or a '+'

The 4870 feels abit steep in price at the moment to justify what I need so I had left that out.

Currently the 9800GTX+ seems slightly cheaper but I haven't a clue to which is actually better. From looking at the graphic charts the 9800GTX+ seems to edge out the 4850 for my needs (I use the 1280*1024 resolution) and reading the forums suggests the 4850 is actually superior but I don't understand how.

Yet this pretty much top model 9800 is on par with a basic 4850 or so it seems so am I actually better off getting the 4850?

Here is what I am currently looking at...

http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=26...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...(PCI-Express)%20-%20Retail

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150390

Any help is welcome and appreciated.

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January 1, 2009 12:08:05 PM

They trade blows in different games. Honestly buy the one that is cheapest.
January 1, 2009 12:46:13 PM

What kind of motherboard and cpu do you have?
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January 1, 2009 1:02:27 PM

4850 is a bit faster than the 9800GTX but not by alot
January 1, 2009 1:23:08 PM

Go with the 4850 from Overclockers. It has a 650 Mhz clock speed. Be sure to download ATI's latest drivers. The 4850 runs warm but you'll find lots of info on the internet to customize seetings for it to run cooler. I have the 4850 and installed the Gfx Chilla4 aftermarket cooler and it sits at 40 degrees C.
January 1, 2009 1:25:41 PM

4850 is a bit faster than the 9800GTX but not by alot

this guy mean about the 9800gtx not the 9800gtx+ that won in every benchmarks. of course not by a lot... so buy the the 9800gtx+ if you want to play mirrors edge with the physx enabled. and you wont have overheating temperatures.
January 1, 2009 1:31:46 PM

Either are good, but the 9800GTX+ is simply better.
January 1, 2009 1:51:12 PM

I am running E6400 2.13Ghz Core 2 Duo with a P5B Wi-Fi Deluxe motherboard.

a b U Graphics card
January 1, 2009 2:00:00 PM

9800GTX+ if the prices are close. Both cards give good frame rates in similar situations.
January 1, 2009 2:03:39 PM

I personally prefer the 9800gtx+ over the 4850 because it seemed like there were less driver problems with my 9800gtx+ than the 4850 (Especially in games that were 2-3 years old).

The dual slot cooler of the 9800gtx is also a little nicer than the 4850's single. I know you can adjust the fan speed, but the noise is a little annoying after a while.

In any case, they are both great cards, so just buy the one that is cheapest.
January 1, 2009 2:13:44 PM

They are simply equal in real world cituations (SP?). I tend to preffer the 9800GTX+ to the 4850 because its alsmost silent at idle having lower temps than the radeon. BUT its usually a bit pricier.
Performancewise they are about the same with the Nvidia having an edge in TWIMTBP games
a c 529 U Graphics card
January 1, 2009 2:17:09 PM

The cards are comparable. Don't sweat the minor performance differences.

I would stick with Nvidia. You will not have the hassle of cleaning out the nvidia drivers before installing the ati drivers. Sometimes this process leaves some residual stuff that caruses problems. Just install your new card and go.

I would look at a different 9800GTX+.
The palit cooler does a decent job of getting heat off of the vga chip, but it dumps it back into the case to recirculate. This heats up both the vga card, and the cpu. Noise increases because the fans need to spin up to compensate.

A card with a dual slot cooler is much more effective. The hot vga air is expelled directly out the back of the case.
Look for a 9800GTX+ like this evga unit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 1, 2009 2:30:02 PM

Taniki said:
I am running E6400 2.13Ghz Core 2 Duo with a P5B Wi-Fi Deluxe motherboard.


That's a dual PCI-E x16 & x4 slot motherboard. You should go with the ATI 4850 then because that will give you the ability to upgrade to a 2nd 4850 crossfire later on for even more graphical power.
January 3, 2009 5:01:55 AM

mighty442 said:
That's a dual PCI-E x16 & x4 slot motherboard. You should go with the ATI 4850 then because that will give you the ability to upgrade to a 2nd 4850 crossfire later on for even more graphical power.


did you read what you wrote?
the second pci-e slot runs at 4x.... that will really limit the 4850 for crossfire
January 3, 2009 6:33:54 AM

the 4850 is the better card, 9800gtx+ is old dx10 card with not much going for it at all
January 3, 2009 8:23:24 AM

either card, you are going to be bottle necked by your CPU.
January 3, 2009 9:52:00 AM

So in upgrading my graphics card, I will not get much out of it because my processor could do with upgrading as well?

Please bear in mind I do not overclock or have an intention of using Crossfire.
a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 11:22:16 AM

go with the gtx+ card.

the 4850 isnt faster than the gtx+, they're separated by a hair in which most cases the gtx+ wins.

and for driver stability i'd give geforce here the upperhand. actually not the driver, theres a ton of games that say "nvidia, the way its meant to be played". and some physx accelerations as well.

@ rangers

dx10/dx10.1 support is irrelevant.

anyway looking at the current prices of the gtx+, you cant help but say wow. its not that long ago that 50$ separates these 2 cards.
January 3, 2009 1:20:36 PM



http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?ISList=14-...

This is the one I bought about a month ago. It replaced a burned out 7950GX2 that was impossible to clean properly without removal / disassembly. I was mostly concerned with cooling / ease of cleaning. Whatever the factory fan speed is, it works. The highest temperature I've seen (after back to back 3DMark06) is 58 C.

BTW, I think the 4850 is a fine card also, and the cooling solutions on the ones you linked looked like they'd do a good job.
January 3, 2009 7:34:38 PM

It looks like in the UK prices for each card are about the same, and in that case, get whichever card gets better fps in the games you play.

Here in the US, the 9800gtx+ is about $30+ more than a decent HD4850. And at these prices... only nvidiots don't lean toward the Radeon
January 3, 2009 8:16:36 PM

buy an evga 9800gtx+, it appears to have a better cooling unit on it. i have the non-plus version and its amazing (crysis on very high 1280x1024 @ about 30ish fps average). also, i have a word about ati. ive had two very bad experiences with ati and i would never reccomend them to anyone! ive always had good luck with nvidia tho.

if u look at the gpu fps totals (found on this site under charts) the 9800gtx is faster than the 4850
January 3, 2009 9:23:27 PM

wh3resmycar said:
go with the gtx+ card.

the 4850 isnt faster than the gtx+, they're separated by a hair in which most cases the gtx+ wins.

and for driver stability i'd give geforce here the upperhand. actually not the driver, theres a ton of games that say "nvidia, the way its meant to be played". and some physx accelerations as well.

@ rangers

dx10/dx10.1 support is irrelevant.

anyway looking at the current prices of the gtx+, you cant help but say wow. its not that long ago that 50$ separates these 2 cards.

you can keep telling yourself that, you never know, you might end up believing it yourself, as for the drivers i would say its the nvidia drivers that are crap
a b U Graphics card
January 4, 2009 4:41:36 AM

rangers said:
you can keep telling yourself that, you never know, you might end up believing it yourself, as for the drivers i would say its the nvidia drivers that are crap


is this confuse-ious talking?
a b U Graphics card
January 4, 2009 7:11:42 AM

_____________________________________________
anands:
crysis: gtx+
cod4: 4850
qw:4850
ac:gtx+
witcher:gtx+
bioshock:4850
oblivion:gtx+
_________________________

guru3d: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-4850-and-4870-review-force3d/8

mass effect:gtx+
cod4:4850 (by a hair)
frontlines:gtx+
crysis:gtx+
wic:gtx+
vantage:gtx+
stalker:gtx+
fear:4850
graw2: gtx+ (irrelevant because this games adheres geforce)
grid: gtx+
______________________________________________

can you count?

anyway im a 4850 owner.
January 4, 2009 9:15:47 AM

9800GTX+ cost more than HD4850.....
If you have money to spend on.. then go 9800GTX+...... As for performance.. both score similarly.... 9800GTX+ is hot(cooler than 9800GTX..coz of die size)... And also EA Games and many vendors are nowadays going with nVidia... they provide their gaming profiles to be optimised with intel and nVidia......
Majority of editing softwares support ATi HD series cards... for example Adobe CS3(declared) works best with ATi cards...

As regarding cost, HD4870>9800GTX+>>HD4850
I would recommend you go for HD4870... don't mind the price difference..


January 4, 2009 9:19:21 AM

DirectX10 games play better on HD4850 than in 9800GTX+
a b U Graphics card
January 4, 2009 10:22:01 AM

meodowla said:
9800GTX+ cost more than HD4850.....


from the list of his choices, the 4850 cost a bit more.
January 4, 2009 10:52:03 AM

wh3resmycar said:
from the list of his choices, the 4850 cost a bit more.


Then better get 9800GTX+
January 4, 2009 11:30:19 AM

Thank you for the help and advice.
January 4, 2009 11:53:22 AM

Both card pretty much trade blows really from what I have read. The only thing that the 9800GTX+ has going for it over the 4850 is its dual slots cooler. That being said, you can find some HD4850 that sport that configuration as well.
January 4, 2009 12:37:45 PM

Sapphire HD4850 Dual Slot Heatsink:


MSI R4850-T2D512:





January 4, 2009 5:52:23 PM

Taniki said:
I am running E6400 2.13Ghz Core 2 Duo with a P5B Wi-Fi Deluxe motherboard.


Get a decent cpu cooler and oc! i got the exact same mobo and an e6300. Ive got 430mhz fsb out of mine giving me 3010mhz cpu clock. The e6400 has a 1 higher multiplier (8) so you can get 3.44ghz out of that thing with this mobo. Can go a bit higher on the fsb but you'll need some decent ram and some high-ish north bridge voltages. Updating the bios would be an idea too. (version 1236).

BTW in the u.k. at least the 4850 is cheaper than the 9800gtx+ by some margin. Dont use overclockers.co.uk cos I heard if whatever you get is faulty its a real nightmare getting a refund/return. :pfff: 

The 4850 is like 95% as fast as the gtx+ but is also smaller, more power efficient and cheaper (over here at least) than the 9800. Yes it runs hot but its ludicrously simple to change the fan speed. (open CCC, select 'overdrive', select 'enable overdrive', change fan speed, click 'apply' then 'ok'. Time taken, <15 seconds.) :hello: 

My supposedly hot-house-blow-torch-burn-your-fingers-if-you-touch-it 4870 never goes above 62 centigrade load temp, idles at 42, just with the fan speed set to a constant 35%. Quietest component in my PC. :love: 

Cheers.
January 4, 2009 6:34:43 PM

Funny you mention that I'm now reading up in the other forums and guides that my motherboard and chip are really easy to overclock. I am going to give it a go but am an OC virgin ;)  So we'll see how that goes. So far it seems you can get to just over 3 with stock cooler.

I think I am not quite decided on the card as yet. From my understanding the 9800GTX+ may be slightly quicker but its top end card against a basic 4850. I am slightly worried about alot of running concerns I am hearing about it not working properly.
January 4, 2009 6:52:36 PM

lol yeah in about november 2006 the p5b and e6300 were the dream oc combination! Right now I got a zalman 9500 cooler on the cpu, its good but there must be something better out there now for the same price. I got to 2.4ghz without changing the voltage, 2.8 with a little extra on the proc and the northbridge, 3.0ghz with another bump on both. Try going to 2.6/2.8 when you get your new card, you should notice a difference from the extra cpu power alone. What graphics card you got now?


"I am slightly worried about alot of running concerns I am hearing about it not working properly." about not working properly exactly?
January 4, 2009 6:59:55 PM

Go for 9800GTX+....
January 4, 2009 7:24:57 PM

wh3resmycar said:
_____________________________________________
anands:
crysis: gtx+
cod4: 4850
qw:4850
ac:gtx+
witcher:gtx+
bioshock:4850
oblivion:gtx+
_________________________

guru3d: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-4850-and-4870-review-force3d/8

mass effect:gtx+
cod4:4850 (by a hair)
frontlines:gtx+
crysis:gtx+
wic:gtx+
vantage:gtx+
stalker:gtx+
fear:4850
graw2: gtx+ (irrelevant because this games adheres geforce)
grid: gtx+
______________________________________________

can you count?

anyway im a 4850 owner.

must have counted that through my DX10.1 eyes, go for the 4850 it the better card, its @ the beginning of it life and the 9800gtx+ is at the end
January 4, 2009 10:15:45 PM

both are good cards. grab which one you can get the best deal on.
January 5, 2009 12:12:41 AM

rangers said:
must have counted that through my DX10.1 eyes, go for the 4850 it the better card, its @ the beginning of it life and the 9800gtx+ is at the end

how is it a better card when its slower and runs hotter?
January 5, 2009 1:32:55 AM

I think you're all going way too much into this. The performance difference between them is <5%. Buy whichever is cheaper (with an acceptable cooling system). You'll never know the difference between them.
January 5, 2009 2:59:30 AM

Dekasav said:
You'll never know the difference between them.


until u update the drivers
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2009 3:04:52 AM

nah, confuse-ious here just believes dx10.1 makes a difference when it doesnt (count the games eh?). and i think he actually failed to click on the links that the OP posted which suggest that from where the he came from the 4850 is a bit more expensive, especially the one with the pcs zerotherm cooler.

and pointing to a card's lifespan when they actually trade blows at each other is meaningless. when the next gen comes both of them will be wiped out. you can spew dx10.1 you want but that will be irrelevant when faster newer cards comeout.

January 5, 2009 4:24:34 AM

Some people don't upgrade every generation, mate. I went from an X850XT to an HD 4670. 4 generations in there. Really, it probably comes down to which gimmick makes you happier: CUDA or DX 10.1.
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2009 5:19:22 AM

theres more sightings of cuda physx running than a game with dx10.1 specs. regardless though its silly to focus on that as a selling point. both of which is a rarity unless you're planning to play ut3 engine based games the rest of your life or play assassins creed from here on.

anyway, its not the gimmick, its the price and performance that sells the card mainstream. and speaking of which, from the OP standpoint its the gtx+.
January 5, 2009 5:33:46 AM

well the guys in the uk, where the 4850 is £117 and the 9800gtx+ is £150, so maybe it was you that never clicked on the link, as the guy above said some ppl dont upgrade every year, and that is the person that will want a dx10.1 card, and when dx11 comes out, i will be playing games with DX10.1 and free AA and the 9800gtx will be stuck on dx10, so it matters to the ppl that don't jump for the latest fad every year, comeongetalifenobheadious
January 5, 2009 5:40:19 AM

plus dont buy a card for cuda its at the end of its life aswell, dx11 will make cuda meaningless ati's version aswell
January 5, 2009 5:46:36 AM

the ati one comes with free shipping the 9800 does not, so you will end up paying more
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2009 6:11:02 AM

from the links:

http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=26670&category_id=693&manufacturer_id=0&tid=ne/98tx+xt352

palit gtx+ = £105.80 ex VAT, £121.67 inc VAT

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-095-PC&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=938&name=Powercolor%20ATI%20Radeon%20HD%204850%20PCS%20Extreme%20512MB%20GDDR3%20TV-Out/Dual%20DVI/HDMI%20(PCI-Express)%20-%20Retail
Powercolor ATI Radeon HD 4850 PCS Extreme =

was £129.99 ex VAT
£120.99 ex VAT
£139.14 inc VAT

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150390

PowerColor HD 4850 Play Edition 512MB GDDR3 DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics = £122.82inc vat

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seriously, are you smoking something? first you posted a link from anands that refutes yourself and now this? please bend the truth even more.

as if the 4850 will give you all the gaming glory 2 years from now. im sorry im not like you who will be happy with medium detail settings and trust me when those dx11 games comes out the 4850 will chug a like train. you're not expecting that a 2 year old 4850 will do magic on dx11 are you? are you? were you living in a cave? play current gen games on a 2 year old mainstream card please and see how much eye candy you can have.

i have a feeling a budget hd6800 will be on par with a 4800 2 years from now (todays mainstream is tomorrows budget, ever heard of that? e.g. 4670>7900/x1900, the 4670 cost like nothing already) which will render that 4850 pointless.

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