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$460 Gaming PC- Compatible? First time building computer.

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December 9, 2008 10:18:49 PM

This is the first time I will be building a computer from scratch. I am wanting to build one for each of my two brothers, going in on the cost with my parents, but my parents are paranoid that the "system has to be compatible with the modules".

Honestly, I havent ever heard the word "module" in any of the articles I read :p  lol, but I have plenty of experience with computers and parts. I've taken off my GPU's heatsink, cleaned off and reapplied artic silver, bc my graphics card was heating up ridiculously. I've installed sound cards, video cards, heatsinks, dvd drives, etc. Also if I have any questions or problems, I have a friend and his dad who have both built many many computers.

My question to you all is: are these parts compatible with each other? Will I be able to build a working computer without getting any hardware incompatibility problems? Also, any suggestions?

This build cost $460, and is desired to be a gaming computer. It is on-par, or even better than my own, which 2 years ago cost $2000.

For the case, I decided to not try for much. For the Power Supply, I have read that 500w is plenty enough for a single video card and system, and never intend to go SLI or CROSSFIRE. I have always gone overkill with my Power Supplies and own a 750W ToughPower, but the price difference between that and a 500w is dramatic. I bought a 550W Rosewill PS and installed it on my sister's computer because the old one broke. It's very quiet, and supplies enough power. Is 500w enough for a 9800GT and 2.6ghz C2D? The point here is CHEAP- and to save as much money as possible, so I will not be buying any 700W+ PS's.

Satisfied with my Rosewill 550W and its quiet noise operation, I decided to go with this for the case and PS:


Case: Rosewill Case
Power Supply: Rosewill 500w
Price: $60
Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: $60, Western Digital 500GB 7200RPM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Video Card: $115, 9800GT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: $22, 2GB dual channel 800MHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Motherboard: $50, Foxconn Nvidia Geforce 7100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: $120, Core2Duo E7300 2.6ghz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Compound: $6 Artic Silver 5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total Cost: $469 + $11 Shipping (All items are free shipping except the Case/PS combo and Artic Silver)



I mainly need to know Motherboard compatibility, as I am rather confused on why so many people buy expensive $150+ motherboards when they can get a cheap, $50 motherboard. The CPU FSB and Ram Mhz match.
Thank you so much for your help.
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December 10, 2008 12:00:09 AM

I'm not quite sure.

Both my brothers have different monitors, but I dont think they are very high resolutions. Probably max at 1280x1024
December 10, 2008 12:01:40 AM

Why do people buy $120+ motherboards when you can get a very cheap one for only $50?

I see people and friends buying expensive MB's when they never plan or desire to SLI, their cpu's are no more FSB than 1333, and ram no more than 800MHz, etc. Isnt it just wasting $80 buying $120+ motherboards?
December 10, 2008 12:19:02 AM

NO!!!!!!!!To that Rosewill PSU. It is cr@P. Get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PP&C 610. A very well respected PSU here and at XS.
$60 after MIR

You DO NOT want this to happen to your PSU:
Quote:
It should be noted that I stopped testing on the first Apevia unit we had after Test #3 because the unit began to melt. I could not completely identify where the unit was melting from nor photograph it very well because the unit had to remain in tact in order to get an RMA as these units were purchased at retail. However, the second unit we received also began to melt during Test #3 but not nearly as badly and from what appeared to be a different location. This time the melting was obviously from some of the caulk used to secure the components on the PCB. It would seem that the temperature rating by Apevia may have been for a good reason, however it should be noted that even at these temperatures the manufacturer should not be using caulk or plastics that should melt. This unit is supposedly UL certified and if so I would be interested to find out how that happened.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzOSwz...

Also drop that cr@ppy $50 motherboard. Get a EP-45DS3L or a EP45-UD3x ($80-120).

Motherboard and the PSU are the last places to go cheap on! If you don't believe me on the PSU. PM Zorg
December 10, 2008 12:21:04 AM

That PSU and MB are significantly more expensive.

What reasons exactly is the MB crappy?

And can you suggest a cheaper PSU than $100 (Mail In Rebates take a long time to get back, and $100 is way too much for a PS compared to this one)

All the MB needs is to fit the CPU FSB and Ram Mhz right?
December 10, 2008 12:24:58 AM

Expensive mobos have more upgrade paths and allow for overclocking.

You get what you pay for.

A 9800GT will game just fine. It wasnt long ago everyone was playing Crysis on 8800gt's.
December 10, 2008 12:25:30 AM

1. Most people on THF and XS regard the Rosewill PSUs as cr@p because when you load it up with a strong GPU like the 9800GT it has a very good chance of killing the card and the PSU.

2. As for the motherboard, Foxconn is known to have issues with their quality and BIOS support. AND your E7200 isn't supported:
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/EN-US/Upload/Compatibilit...
Not to mention the 630i is VERY old by today's standard.
Hence why I told you about the BIOS support, see what I mean?
December 10, 2008 12:28:32 AM

Shadow703793 said:
1. Most people on THF and XS regard the Rosewill PSUs as cr@p because when you load it up with a strong GPU like the 9800GT it has a very good chance of killing the card and the PSU.

2. As for the motherboard, Foxconn is known to have issues with their quality and BIOS support. AND your E7200 isn't supported:
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/EN-US/Upload/Compatibilit...

Hence why I told you about the BIOS support, see what I mean?


Alright, thanks, that helps a lot more.

Can you suggest some PSU's and MB's that are just as cheap, or only slightly more ($10-20) that are good enough?

I really do not want to fork over almost $100, as I have to build two computers.
December 10, 2008 12:35:48 AM

1. Are you willing to OC?

2. Any chance you can up it to $480-500?
December 10, 2008 12:37:21 AM

Shadow703793 said:
1. Are you willing to OC?

2. Any chance you can up it to $480-500?


Yes to both!

That's definitely within the price range, $480-500, and I already OC my system, so I'd have no problems OCing if I have to.
December 10, 2008 1:45:18 AM

I went to the Motherboard's Foxconn website for CPU compatibility, and the e7300 is supported by that MB. Your information isnt accurate.

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/comp...

Also, the Rosewill 550w PS is one of the highest rated on Newegg with a 5/5.

This information contradicts what you have said. Now I am very confused.



The motherboard, and power supply are my main worries, as im not very knowledgable in them and have to trust on reviews and personal opinion. Can anyone else help?
December 10, 2008 6:23:04 AM

Don't always trust the newegg reviews. They can show a little, but many of the people may list their tech knowledge as high and not know what they are actually talking about. Most of the guys here are either hobbyists, or do some kind of tech work. Like me, I'm certified for Apple ironically, but I game a bit at home as well, and enjoy computers and electronics.

I digress.

But on the motherboard, I think cheap is reasonably ok, if it has the features you want, but you may want to take at least one or 2 steps up from the bottom on the motherboard. The main thing I think anymore is get a decent PSU that can provide steady, clean power to your components.
December 10, 2008 8:29:27 AM

I found an amazing deal on a 4850 HD GPU and a Thermaltake Toughpower 700W PSU with a savings of $75.

For $35 i'll keep the 4850 HD and put my 8800 GT (what I was originally gonna put in the pc), and thus making a $140 PSU only $70!! Thats only 10-20 more than I was gonna spend on a 550 Rosewill.

I have a 750 Thermaltake Toughpower which is amazing, so this is more than enough for this new pc.

As for the motherboard- I found ANOTHER combo deal with the e7300 for the same price, but the MB is a few steps up, supporting Dual Channel memory and a few more options! I love Newegg's Combo Deals- they saved me $85! Wow.

This helps me bc my own MB is Crossfire-only and I wanted to SLI. So by replacing my 8800GT with a 4850 HD, not only will I have a slightly better card, but also be able to get another 4850HD in the near future!
December 10, 2008 3:55:37 PM

Omar, that was funny; saying they won't game much with a 9800GT and recommending a lower-performing 4670...

I've never read a bad review of any Antec PSU. Some of the newer Rosewills are better (even Jonnyguru passed one), but that wasn't one of them.
Edit: Removed reference to $60 EA650; it is back to $99.

I think I've got an Intel build in your price range; I'll check and post.
December 10, 2008 4:30:18 PM

Ok, here is a budget Intel build. A few notes. The constraint was the budget. Better selections are possible, but there's nothing here I would not buy myself with a similar constraint. For example, the PSU isn't great, but is still Antec, on which I've never read a poor review. Another $50 will buy a better GPU also, but this one is comparable to the 9800GT, and was Cleeve's pick at its price point.

Antec Basiq BP500UB 500W ATX12V Version 2.01 Active PFC Power Supply - OEM
Model #:BP500UB
Item #:N82E16817371019

$39.99 $39.99

HIS Hightech H483FN512P Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video

Card - Retail
Model #:H483FN512P
Item #:N82E16814161260

$122.99 -$13.00 Instant $109.99

Rosewill R222-P-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:R222-P-BK
Item #:N82E16811147095

$29.99 -$3.00 Instant $26.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #:GA-EP43-DS3L
Item #:N82E16813128347

$79.99 $79.99

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E5200 - Retail
Model #:BX80571E5200
Item #:N82E16819116072

$82.99 $82.99

A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1A16K -

Retail
Model #:ADQVE1A16K
Item #:N82E16820211066

$26.99 $26.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #:ST3250410AS
Item #:N82E16822148262

$54.99 $54.99

LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-08 - Retail
Model #:iHAS120-08
Item #:N82E16827106264

$25.99 $25.99

Subtotal: $447.92

There's no rebate crap-shoot to play. This doesn't include keyboard, speakers, mouse, etc; plan on another $50 minimum for these to get reasonable ones, and obviously you can go a lot higher too.
December 10, 2008 8:06:00 PM

^+1. Much better over the OP's original build. I still don't like the Antec basiq line up but never the less, better than Rosewill. If OCing add in a good HSF.

@OP: Are you sure?? The M7PMX-S CPU chart doesn't list the E7200.
December 11, 2008 4:28:58 AM

Shadow703793 said:
^+1. Much better over the OP's original build. I still don't like the Antec basiq line up but never the less, better than Rosewill. If OCing add in a good HSF.

@OP: Are you sure?? The M7PMX-S CPU chart doesn't list the E7200.


Yes it does.

I dont know where you check MB CPU compatibility, but your information is incorrect for the SECOND time.

THIS is the website: http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/comp...

It has both the e7200 and the e7300 as compatible.
December 11, 2008 9:48:56 AM

I bought the Thermaltake Toughpower 700w for $65.
December 11, 2008 10:35:10 AM

nitros85 said:
Yes it does.

I dont know where you check MB CPU compatibility, but your information is incorrect for the SECOND time.

THIS is the website: http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/comp...

It has both the e7200 and the e7300 as compatible.

I checked the Foxconn website too. But the link I gave you doesn't list the E7200 AND the link is to the Foxconn website too.

edit: I see what's going on. I was using FF so it directed me to the FF compatible website. The link to the bboard there is for an OLDER BIOS so that's why it says the E7200 isn't supported. Sorry for the confusion ;) 
December 11, 2008 11:15:31 AM

Shadow703793 said:
I checked the Foxconn website too. But the link I gave you doesn't list the E7200 AND the link is to the Foxconn website too.

edit: I see what's going on. I was using FF so it directed me to the FF compatible website. The link to the bboard there is for an OLDER BIOS so that's why it says the E7200 isn't supported. Sorry for the confusion ;) 


np, and thanks for teh suggestion on the better power supply. That led me to find the deal for the combo 4850HD card and 700W toughpower supply for a great price.

I own a 750w toughpower that is absolutely amazing, but also I own a 550W Rosewill- and it runs completely fine, have had no problems for 6 months, and its silent. The GPU that runs on it is a 7950GT.

I still disagree that Rosewills arent good, as both my own personal experience and NewEgg's positive reviews would contradict that they arent good enough. But, I couldnt turn down that 100% confidence in having a great power supply (700w thermaltake toughpower) at a very cheap price (only $65 bc of the $75 savings), and the positive to be able to do CROSSFIRE for myself by exchanging my 8800GT with a 4850HD, not to mention how the ATI card is like...40%? better.
December 11, 2008 11:18:35 AM

I will make sure to post my final build once I complete the computer.

Also, a total "LOL" @ all those who say I wont be gaming much with a 9800GT, as that is still one of the best on the market for the price, and a killer in gaming. Especially LOL @ the guy who suggested a crappier ATI card...LOL
December 11, 2008 7:04:00 PM

Nitros85: Good luck with the build. But I must tell you that although your experience with Rosewill is great that is because the testing of the "high quality" PSUs are done at EXTREME temperatures and pretty much at the full manufacture claimed Wattage. See:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTI4OSwx...

When you load up the PSU at 45C and full load the weak/non quality one's get separated from the good/quality ones. Also the 500W Rosewill you are only using may be 250-300W so it's not a huge drain.


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