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January 3, 2009 7:15:03 PM

Well I've contacted many MANY places about this but I haven't gotten a full precise answer so I'm wondering if you guys could answer this.

I'm trying to buy a graphics card however these are the most hi-tech ones I could find that would work on my computer which would be better?

VisionTek Radeon HD 3650 - graphics adapter - Radeon HD 3650 - 1 GB (Dell Site)

EVGA e-GeForce 9400 GT - graphics adapter - GF 9400 GT - 1 GB (Newegg site)

EVGA e-GeForce 9400 GT - graphics adapter - GF 9400 GT - 1 GB (Dell Site)

Side by Side Comparison (Dell Site)

And I have an Ispiron 530 if that helps
My budget is under $100 as well

I'll probably use it for gaming the most so keep that in mind.

System Specs Below

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System Specs
Budget:$110
VGA:Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset Family
OS:Windows Vista
Browser:Mozilla Firefox
CPU:Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4400 @ 2.00GHz (2 CPUs), ~2 Sound:Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Memory:2036MB RAM
PSU:300 Watts
HD:300 GB

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a c 130 U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 7:19:39 PM

System spec's didnt show but from the list of cards you have quoted im guessing your after the best card you can get that dosent need extra power ? that would be the HD4670.
Post your specs again and we can see what we are trying to match to.

mactronix
a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 7:27:46 PM

You have to click on the big white "Spoiler:" box for the system specs to show up. ;)  That's how the Spoiler tag works. It's hidden unless you want to see it.

Your Power Supply being 300watts, doesn't give you many options for video cards. Depending on how old your power supply is, it may or may not still put out a total of 300W. Hard to say. Also, those video cards require 300W power supply with at least 18A on the 12V rail. Can't tell the specs on your particular power supply by searching for the Ispiron 530.

You'll notice that buying through Dell is more expensive. ;)  Check sites like www.tigerdirect.com and www.newegg.com as they usually have the best deals (usually).


Here's some other options, however these may require an upgrade of Power Supply.

Better card than the others, and only $10 more than Dell's 3650.
9800GT $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ATI 4650 $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ATI 3850 $69
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended
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a c 143 U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 7:38:31 PM

LOL about using the Spoiler tag. It's funny but you don't really want to make it harder for us, do you now?

Both the HD 3650 and the 9400GT are good for Office and movies, but too weak for gaming. OK, they're perfect for Solitaire or some older games, but not for Crysis and similar. Putting 1GB of RAM on them sounds silly to me, no idea why they did it.

Ideally, you'd get a new PSU (Earthwatts 500W for example) and a gaming card (9600GT, 8800GT, HD 4830, HD 4850, HD 4870 - whatever you can afford). Your budget won't allow that, but you could do it if you save another $100 first.

a c 130 U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 7:42:32 PM

Ok thanks for the heads up with the spoiler box,
The HD4670 is Faster than either the 4650 (that should be obvious buy hey its not always the case) or the 3850, well to be honest it depends a bit on what you are doing but in general unless you are trying to run a 22" + screen at max resolution the 4670 wins most times.
Also it uses less power than the 3850, no extra power cables needed on the 4760.
A lot of this will depend on the games you want to run an dyour screen size/res.

mactronix
January 3, 2009 7:44:37 PM

thanks for the replies however anything would be a step up from my current graphics card. Our family is thinking about purchasing a computer in the distant future however I have 2 games (Oblivion and GTA4) that don't work with my computer as of now and I really don't want to wait another couple months for a new computer instead. I just need one to satisfy my computer. Oh and I'm buying using tiger direct however dell had more info about the products.

Oh and my computer is about a year old.
January 3, 2009 7:49:12 PM

My vote goes to the HD4670.
a c 143 U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 8:02:50 PM

jerreece said:
Can't tell the specs on your particular power supply by searching for the Ispiron 530.


It could also be because it's spelled "Inspiron 530" :) 

+1 for the HD 4670. Apparently that can fit in the Inspiron 530 and it works with the default PSU.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055435841

January 3, 2009 8:26:03 PM

Most of the cards your recommending are awesome however don't they require an upgrade of my power supply, I really don't want to upgrade my power supply, I just need a card that will put me through a couple months before I get a new computer.
a c 143 U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 8:28:09 PM

The HD 4670 can do that.
January 3, 2009 8:50:57 PM

By any chance can you give me the link to that card? The 4670 one.
January 3, 2009 9:16:11 PM

the Sapphire brand does require a 400 Watt power supply however I can't see anything on the MSI Brand however judging on the others in the catagory it also seems like it uses 400 Watts.
a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2009 9:24:28 PM

The HD4670

Here's a review of different cards with the new games out for Christmas '08 and comparisons of them with lower powered cards by Hardwarecanucks includes the HD4670, 9600GT and 9600GSO and 9500GT


http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

3650 - 42 watts
4670 - 47 watts



January 3, 2009 9:45:00 PM

I'm not going to lie to you all, the HD4670 cards look great and give a bang for it's buck however it still seems like most require a 400 Watt power supply. Sadly it seems impossible for me to find a card that supports a 300 Watt power supply. If you find anything though tell me and please make sure it says 300 Watt power supply and not 400 Watt.
January 3, 2009 9:57:35 PM

I think that what ever video card you choose you will be looking at a psu upgrade.
Go PCPower.
a b U Graphics card
January 4, 2009 12:06:35 AM

jjrocks said:
I'm not going to lie to you all, the HD4670 cards look great and give a bang for it's buck however it still seems like most require a 400 Watt power supply. Sadly it seems impossible for me to find a card that supports a 300 Watt power supply. If you find anything though tell me and please make sure it says 300 Watt power supply and not 400 Watt.


Ignore that - the card will work fine. The Dell PSUs are surprisingly powerful, and the power requirements on the cards are often overstated. The 4670 uses around 50-60 watts full load, and gets all of its power from the slot. It will work great in your system, and is the one that I would choose. No PSU replacement required.

Heck - I'm on a computer right now running a 3870 (450W required) on a Dell 375W with no problems at all.
January 4, 2009 12:15:29 AM

Hm... interesting, That's amazing I'll look onto that thanks a lot I just may buy it now. It won't matter that much either if it overheats and dies I'll get a new computer since we are planning to get a new one in the distant future thanks for the useful tip.
January 4, 2009 1:34:14 AM

Are you sure it won't overheat or anything like that?
January 4, 2009 1:42:33 AM

I have an HD 4670 running on a Rosewill PSU with only 15 amps on the 12v... and it's almost 5 years old. I think you'd be fine with a 300watt Dell (apparently good quality) PSU.
a c 130 U Graphics card
January 4, 2009 8:43:25 AM

I know you want to be sure you are doing the right thing but these are the facts.
The 4670 doesn't need any extra power cables it draws all its power from the PCIE slot.
The PCIE slot supplies 75 Watts as a standard
The 4670 draws about 50 Watts http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/powercol...
Dell PSU's are solid units that are more powerful than a standard OEM unit
Honestly you can run that card easily
Mactronix
January 4, 2009 9:04:34 AM

+1 for the 4670 I have an emachine with a 300 watt (15A on 12v rail) and no power issues at all

It is a killer card for 80 bucks
a b U Graphics card
January 4, 2009 9:57:59 AM

jjrocks said:
I'm not going to lie to you all, the HD4670 cards look great and give a bang for it's buck however it still seems like most require a 400 Watt power supply...


As mentioned that's an over-estimation by ATi to dissuade people from using a crap generic bargain-bin power supply to power it. DELL while being mediocre overall, use solid power supplies that are underrated number wise but are much better than generics of the same power ratting, so it should be fine for this. The HD4670 would be fine.

As for the original question the HD3650 would outperform the GF9400GT (it's more on par with the 9500GT which has twice the SPUs), but they are definitely much lower performers than the HD4670.
January 4, 2009 11:02:01 PM

I'm still iffy on this situation especially if it blows out and my computer dies for good. I may buy it but still I don't want a lasting effect on my computer. Oh and thanks for answering my original question. I'll see what I can do and talk with some other places see if it's worth the risk and if it is on Monday I'll buy it. However if any more people have anything to say I would love to hear.
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2009 2:51:46 AM

Something to consider, there is also an HD4650 not just the 4670, and if you look at the power draw of the actual cards, the 4670 is only slightly more than the 3650 and less than the HD2600XT;



I would say the HD4650 would likely put you in the same ballpark as the HD3650.
January 15, 2009 10:09:54 PM

Well I'm bumping this post up for a bad problem which may or may not be related to the Graphics Card. So I purchased a radeon HD 4670 Graphics card from saphire. The problem is that I'm getting the blue screen of death. I'm wondering if it is that graphics card that did it. here is the code 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x9IE9AC0, 0x89213048, and 0x00000000) I just want to know if this is related to the graphics card I'm using, and if it is it there a possible way to stop it without removing the graphics card.
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