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December 10, 2008 4:40:45 PM

Hey Guys

I thinking about building a new system some time after Christmas and i have been pricing some parts and what not and just wanted your opinions on what i have chosen and also if everything will work well together, fit in the case, etc. If you have any suggestions try and put them into simple terms as i am not that tech savy.

Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Mother board:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

or

nForce 750i SLI FTW
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=123-YW-E17...

Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM:
OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Video Card:
GeForce GTX 260
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=896-P3-126...

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Power Supply:
Rosewill RP550V2-D-SL 550W ATX12V v2.01 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

DVD Drive:
HP Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


Thanks in advance for any help you can give

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December 10, 2008 4:55:37 PM

I would use a better quality PSU

Corsair , seasonic , antec

Building computers is very easy . Just get an online tutorial to follow . Print it if you have to . Work on a clean surface .

Use antistatic precautions . Working in a room with a wooden floor and wearing cotton clothes is generally enough since you wont be generating static electricity .

Get a cpu cooler . The intel one gets a bit noisy . Id only consider the nvidia mb if you plan to sli at some stage , otherwise go with intel mb

Nice build . Good luck
December 10, 2008 4:59:46 PM

I more or less agree.

1) Better PSU (corsair, seasonic, antec are all excellent brands)
2) Use the intel-based mobo (P45) unless you want to add a video card in the future. If you don't have solid plans to do so, I recommend the intel mobo.
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December 10, 2008 5:08:12 PM

First off thanks for the quick replies

A better quailty PSU is sounding like a good idea, and i was maybe going to see first how the CPU fan worked, though i was probably going to get one anyways, since most if the reviews on new egg seem to say that the stock fan can be loud

I was also leaning more towards the intel mobo, since if in the future i want to add another card, i can always get a new mobo down the line

Thanks again for the replies and if other peopel still want to comment it is always nice to hear a selection of different opinions
December 10, 2008 5:11:19 PM

If you're going to build after Christmas, the odds are high you'll find some great deals on parts at that time.
Of those two, I would choose the Gigabyte P45 mobo.
Normally, I'd quickly say NO! to a Rosewill PSU, but I think that's the one Jonnyguru tested and passed.
I will say No on the RAM. Get DDR2-800 that will operate at its advertised timings on the JEDEC standard 1.8v. I like this Mushkin: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... It will OC to at least DDR2-960 on 1.8V.
December 10, 2008 5:16:29 PM

As to the after Christmas pricing I was very much hoping that that would be the case of price drops, anyone have any idea how much they might drop?
December 10, 2008 5:19:40 PM

One never knows, but some really great deals are sure to crop up. For example, until yesterday you could get an Antec Earthwatts EA650 PSU at Newegg for $60; it's back up to $99 now.

One site I like to check is www.slickdeals.net. There are often some PC parts listed there.
December 10, 2008 6:32:26 PM

Thanks, I will definatly have to look there for deals
December 11, 2008 8:20:21 PM

1. Get a quality PSU from Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Antec, or OCZ.

2. Get this RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You don't need DDR2 1066. And most of the time DDR2 1066 is just factory OCed DDR2 800. The PI OCed very well and runs 4-4-4-12 @ 1.8-1.9v.

3. Consider getting a 4850/4870.

4. Do you already have a LCD? If so what resolution is it?
December 13, 2008 2:47:00 AM

well not getting the gtx 260 there because i live in canada and apart from the evga website the rest of the newegg stuff is the canadian website, so on that one the gtx is more expensive
December 13, 2008 2:49:27 AM

also, do you guys think it is worth the money to find a monitor with a res higher than 1680*1020, since that seems to be what most of them are at?
December 13, 2008 5:07:51 PM

^Depends. If you are going for a lat say like 26"+ then you should get higher than 1600*1200.
December 13, 2008 9:59:24 PM

alright thanks, ill have to see after christmas how much money i have and what prices are, my laptop currently has a 1920*1200 res so i am used to that and anything else seems too big to me, lol
plus you guys said earlier to get a better quality psu so how about this one
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681..., i figure that the 650watts will give me a bit more wiggle room in the future
also thanks again for all your guys help with this, i really do appreciate it
December 13, 2008 10:58:35 PM

That PSU should be good.
December 13, 2008 11:33:47 PM

hoggiebear said:
alright thanks, ill have to see after christmas how much money i have and what prices are, my laptop currently has a 1920*1200 res so i am used to that and anything else seems too big to me, lol
plus you guys said earlier to get a better quality psu so how about this one
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681..., i figure that the 650watts will give me a bit more wiggle room in the future
also thanks again for all your guys help with this, i really do appreciate it

Well if getting the Antec 650 might as well get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Only 40W lower but will power almost anything.
December 14, 2008 7:23:55 AM

If you are going to get a GTX 260, go with the GTX 260 216 core edition. It is the new model with more cores and the new architecture for just a little more, it's well worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And I will give another vote for the UD3R, its a better board for less money.
December 14, 2008 11:22:07 AM

^+1 for 216 and UD3R
December 15, 2008 4:03:49 AM

I will for sure take all of your suggestions into considerations when i recheck prices after xmas, i was thinking about the 216 core edition but didnt think that the performance increase was worth the price increase, but if prices keep dropping or i can get a deal on a few of my parts in combos at new egg then i will get the best parts i can while staying within my budget, and the only last worry that i have is that my case will fit it all since i have heard that the gtx 260 is a beast, and also can you guys suggest a good cpu cooler, since i really dont know what to look for in one
December 16, 2008 4:10:39 PM

Just one more last thing, will all of my hardware be ok for vista 64bit home premium, i notice on some of the reviews that it will be troublesome if all of your hardware isnt compatible
December 16, 2008 6:49:46 PM

^Yes. Your motherboard, GPU,etc has Vista x64 drivers. HOWEVER make sure your printers, WiFi,etc has the x64 drivers.
December 19, 2008 2:36:45 PM

Hey guys

So I think that this is going to be my final build, if you guys can thing of anything else that I forgot then let me know

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Mother board:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler – Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Video Card:
EVGA 896-P3-1265-AR GeForce GTX 260 Gore 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card – Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Power Supply:
PC Power & Cooling S61EPS 610W Continuous @ 40°C EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

DVD Drive:
HP Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Monitor:
ASUS VH222H Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen 16:9 Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor Built in Speakers 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR20000:1) w/ SPDIF out - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

and just one more quick question, I read somewhere that if you fill all of the memory slots on your motherboard that it will put a lot more stress onto it, and I was thinking that since it was so cheap i might just pick up 2 sets of the G Skill RAM and have 8gbs, I know its overkill but for the price how can I not, lol, but if it will put too much stress on the mobo then i might not, what do you guys think?
December 19, 2008 6:55:16 PM

^ Swap out cooler to XIGMATEK S1283 + bolt in kit . Everything else looks good!
December 19, 2008 7:01:45 PM

im assuming that by "+bolt in kit" you mean that it comes with it, or do i have to buy it separately?, and why it over the antec freezer 7?
December 19, 2008 7:07:23 PM

This is the cooler Shadow703793 was referring to:

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $36.99 - $10 MIR

The retention bracket doesn't come with it, but is well worth the $8.50.

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $8.49

The Xigmatek will cool better than the Freezer 7. It offers direct-touch technology, more surface area, and a 120mm fan.

Edit: You also might as well spend the extra $2 and get this RAM instead:

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99

That kit offers tighter timings and better cooling.

You could also get this mushkin RAM to save a little $:

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $45.99 - $20.00 MIR
December 19, 2008 11:15:31 PM

^ Couldn't have said it better ;)  +1 for the PI RAM.
December 20, 2008 1:11:19 AM

thanks guys, ill have to look into those options and see how they fit into my budget and what not, and im gueesing that since you guys didnt answer it, that my mobo is safe with all 4 memory slots filled
December 20, 2008 4:07:41 PM

^Yes. That should be fine. BUT you may need to increase the RAM voltages a bit to run it stable.
December 20, 2008 4:52:26 PM

alright good to know, ill update you guys when i get all of the parts and ill try and post pics when i get it all together, and oh course if i have any problems, ill know jsut where to come to sort it out, thanks again for all the help
December 20, 2008 4:57:52 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^Yes. That should be fine. BUT you may need to increase the RAM voltages a bit to run it stable.

+1

Sometimes the Northbridge voltage also needs bumped up a notch when all RAM slots are filled.
January 7, 2009 2:35:26 AM

hey guys, finally got all of the system together, got the vid card today, popped it in and it booted on the first try, yay!, got vista installed and am getting my ethernet cable tomorrow
i do have one quick question, i know that with the gigabyte board, it comes with easy tune 6 which has some options for overclocking, my question is, since i have never oc'ed before, and i only want to do minor anyway, should i jsut use easy tune or try and do it through the bios?
thanks again for all your help with all this
January 7, 2009 7:55:15 PM

DO NOT Install DES or EasyTune!!!Also NEVER FLASH BIOS (@BIOS, use EZ Flash instead) OR OC through WINDOWS!

This should help with the OCing:
GUIDE: Overclocking On EP/P35-DS3L

It's for the P35-DS3L but settings are very smiler for the P45
!