HD 4670 vs. 9500 GT..better buy??

These are the only two cards with high performance that will fit on my mobo, does anyone know which one is a better buy?
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  1. HD 4670.
  2. It's not even a contest, the HD 4670 is roughly twice as fast as the 9500GT.
  3. Another one for the 4670.
  4. 4670. In actuality, I think the 4670 performs closer to the level of the 9600gt which is a step up from the 9500gt.
  5. thanks for the replys, i was leaning toward the hd 4670 also.
  6. I'm also looking to upgrade from onboard video. My power supply is limited to 350 watts. Will the HD 4670 be stable on a system with a 350 watt power supply? How does the 4670 compare to the 9600 gt? Would a 9600 GT be stable on 350 watts? I believe the 9600 GT requires 400 watts and the HD 4670 may also require 400 watts.

    With that said, what would be the best video card for a computer with a 350 watt power supply?

    I should also note that I have an Intel motherboard if that makes any difference.

    Thanks!
  7. Between the 9600gt and the 4670, both are good cards, with the 9600gt probably having a slight edge. However, 4670 is still a good card. I think you've got the best chance of having the 4670 work. Also, don't look at watts, look at the amps on the 12v+ rail. For example, some 400 watt power supplies may run say 20 amps, while another may run 32. Clearly the one running 32 amps is better, same advertised wattage but the second one is clearly the winner.

    Pull the side off your case and tell us the readings on the sticker, primarily the reading talking about the 12v+ rail. Then someone here should be able to tell you if the 4670 will work or not.
  8. Good question regarding the power consumption of both 9500 and the 4670. This is one bottleneck I have to deal with as well. I'm building a media center machine with limited space and a very small power supply. It's currently listed at 250w but I'm upgrading to 300w (which is the highest I can go in this case).

    THE PROBLEM: The 9500 requires a 350w, while the 4670 will need a 400w

    -- Neither card requires an additional power connection, which is good. But If I had to choose with my 300w power supply, then I would take my chances running the 9500.

    OTHER OPTIONS: Well, there is actually one unorthodox option left ... that is to buy a more powerful card that requires an additional connection ( like 9600 or 4850) and installing an auxiliary power supply (in an empty 5 1/4 slot) that will be dedicated just to the video card. That is a relatively cheap option as they run for $40 or so. Thermaltake makes a model which I currently have running in a diff machine, and it works well.

    I hope this helps..

    Eli
  9. hi im going to buy a hd4650 videocard and im thinking if it will work well with my processor amd 64 x2 5000+ . my worries is botleneck issues.. thanks guys hoping for your advise and reviews
  10. The 4670 will run fine - the 400W is significantly more than it actually needs.

    As for bottlenecking? Maybe slightly, but an x2 5000+ isn't a bad CPU, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
  11. You will fine, wouldn't worry too much about bottlenecking. I've got a 9600gt and it seems to do fine with my 5200 x2.
  12. wtf. the 4670 isnt DOUBLE the speed of the 9500GT LOL! that would put it at like 9800GTX specs!

    the 4670 was made to compete with the 9500GT. therefore, it is slightly faster. this ensures the customers will buy the 4670 not the 9500GT, depending on the prices.

    the 9600GT is much faster than the 4670 full stop. different market.

    imo grab the 4670 if its around the price of the 9500GT, or the 9600GT if its close to that price. i know my 9600GT was exactly the same price as a 4670 IceQ. i dont regret my decision
  13. V3NOM said:
    wtf. the 4670 isnt DOUBLE the speed of the 9500GT LOL! that would put it at like 9800GTX specs!

    the 4670 was made to compete with the 9500GT. therefore, it is slightly faster.


    the HD 4670 IS right around 2x as fast as the 9500 GT.

    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3405&p=7
  14. V3NOM said:
    wtf. the 4670 isnt DOUBLE the speed of the 9500GT LOL! that would put it at like 9800GTX specs!

    the 4670 was made to compete with the 9500GT. therefore, it is slightly faster. this ensures the customers will buy the 4670 not the 9500GT, depending on the prices.

    the 9600GT is much faster than the 4670 full stop. different market.

    imo grab the 4670 if its around the price of the 9500GT, or the 9600GT if its close to that price. i know my 9600GT was exactly the same price as a 4670 IceQ. i dont regret my decision


    The 4670 is something like 50-75% faster than the 9500gt, and is NOT that much slower than a 9600gt.

    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/13157-games-christmas-08-gpu-performance-part-ii.html
  15. +1 for the 4670

    It swaps punches with the 9600GT but you don't need a PCI-e power connector for it.

    Don't even look at the 9500Gt for games.
  16. We can literally go back and forth with discussion, but what really comes down to is what's the purpose of the machine you're building? ... For me it's strictly MCE, and very little gaming. My goal for this machine is maximum performance with less power consumption and low noise. That means passive heat sinks ( which are currently available for some 9500's, but the NOT yet for 4670 ), and temperature control. For the price, there are several different options when it comes to building a gaming machine, but I cant say the same for Media Centers...


    Eli
  17. 9600 GT > 4670 > 9500 GT

    Each 1 noticeably different than the previous 1

    The 4670 is good price + less headache about setup:) Plus DX 10.1 as a bonus. And yest here an there it exchanges blows with the 9600 GT, but the 9600 GT is faster alot of the time, and noticeably sometimes.
  18. montollo said:
    We can literally go back and forth with discussion, but what really comes down to is what's the purpose of the machine you're building? ... For me it's strictly MCE, and very little gaming. My goal for this machine is maximum performance with less power consumption and low noise. That means passive heat sinks ( which are currently available for some 9500's, but the NOT yet for 4670 ), and temperature control.


    Then you get the HD4650, which is still more powerful than the GF9500GT;
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131135

    Quote:
    For the price, there are several different options when it comes to building a gaming machine, but I cant say the same for Media Centers...


    Unless you look harder, and considering the limitations of the GF9500 for media playback, I wouldn't prefer it either for that role.

    For the OP, the HD4670 is better, but if you can squeeze a GF9600GT (which does come in low-profile) it will be a better gamer than the HD4670 more often than not with only a few exceptions, and will destroy the GF9500.

    So whether it's low profile, low noise, or low power there are better options.
  19. V3NOM said:
    the 4670 was made to compete with the 9500GT. therefore, it is slightly faster.


    This is a ludicrous line of reasoning.

    It doesn't matter what it was 'made' to do. If I 'make' a car with a go cart engine to compete with a Ferrari F50, does that guarantee it's as fast as a Ferrari F50? Madness.

    The 4870 absolutely destroys the 9500 GT. It isn't even a contest. It actually performs right on par with the 9600 GSO...


    V3NOM said:
    the 9600GT is much faster than the 4670 full stop. different market.


    No, it's not. The 9600 GT is slightly faster than the 9600 GSO, and the 9600 GSO is right on par with the 4670. THey're pretty close.

    Don't assume a performance level based on price alone, or market placement. Base your opinion on actual performance...
  20. montollo said:
    That means passive heat sinks ( which are currently available for some 9500's, but the NOT yet for 4670 ), and temperature control.


    Ah, but what about the 4650? There are passive versions, it uses less power than the 9500 GT, and since it's an underclocked 4670 it still outperforms the hell out of it.

    That's my vote for an HTPC card. And it games real nice at 720p res, as well...
  21. can i run hd 4670 with 400w??
  22. montollo said:


    OTHER OPTIONS: Well, there is actually one unorthodox option left ... that is to buy a more powerful card that requires an additional connection ( like 9600 or 4850) and installing an auxiliary power supply (in an empty 5 1/4 slot) that will be dedicated just to the video card. That is a relatively cheap option as they run for $40 or so. Thermaltake makes a model which I currently have running in a diff machine, and it works well.

    I hope this helps..

    Eli


    Can you share the exact Part Number or brand & model of the auxiliary power supply that you have?
  23. of course 4670!!!
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