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January 10, 2009 7:18:39 PM

Ok whats better at a res of 1680x1050 a GTX260 or HD4870 512MB??? i need to know because every benchmark just contridictes each other...

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a c 120 U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 7:32:27 PM

If you think the benchmarks contradict each other, wait til you see what kind of fight this thread puts up.

I own both those cards. Get the GTX260.
January 10, 2009 7:35:07 PM

Agreed, get the superclocked or xfx black edition GTX 260 216, Hands Down, tell those ati's dont hate... oh and quote of the day again today...
"Excuse me i have to use the restroom, i have to take an AMD "
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January 10, 2009 7:38:09 PM

if 4850 vs 9800GTX+????
January 10, 2009 7:39:02 PM

lol great now the fight begins i was leaning towards the HD4870 at the moment soooo why is the GTX260 better then is its fps better?? i play cod5 and farcry 2 alot...
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 7:39:32 PM

Yeah you'll get answers like the first two which aren't surprising, because they're in one camp, and if you look at their posts their strictly in one camp.

Look at what the benchmarks tell you, that neither card wins all the situation.

It depends alot on the games you play and the settings you use.

READ the information, don't just look at the bars, and see how it applies to your situation, questions like this just get you answers from the category of which is better Ford or GM.

They're both good, the question is which is better for you, spend the time to figure that out, because otherwise all people are telling you is what good for THEM.
January 10, 2009 7:40:43 PM

4850 sorry to say lol
January 10, 2009 7:40:51 PM

thats mr.ape so what would YOU recommend might as well see what the consensus is while im working out whats better for me...
January 10, 2009 7:42:00 PM

lol heres an interesting question though which ones Crossfire or SLI better??
January 10, 2009 7:42:10 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Yeah you'll get answers like the first two which aren't surprising, because they're in one camp, and if you look at their posts their strictly in one camp.

Look at what the benchmarks tell you, that neither card wins all the situation.

It depends alot on the games you play and the settings you use.

READ the information, don't just look at the bars, and see how it applies to your situation, questions like this just get you answers from the category of which is better Ford or GM.

They're both good, the question is which is better for you, spend the time to figure that out, because otherwise all people are telling you is what good for THEM.


4870 512 vs 260, Pay attention, do your homework son....
January 10, 2009 7:43:30 PM

i confused its price VS performance
coz i want buy one of it
4850 vs 9800GTX+????
January 10, 2009 7:43:42 PM

i cant pay for the bloody SUPERMEGAWEGADEGAOVERWOVERCLOCKED versions lol im talking about the barebones ones!!!
January 10, 2009 7:44:48 PM

exact budget for card?
January 10, 2009 7:46:29 PM

ummm to be honest around £180 (free del too lol =P) i ve seen a really cool HD4870 thats meant to be the best (force3D supercooled) for £175 and ive havent got around to shop around for the GTX just yet...
January 10, 2009 7:48:45 PM

then do this, find highest clocked card of either you can find, whatever is on sale then, simple enough....
January 10, 2009 7:49:04 PM

oh yeah random question why do people say the GTX260 216core is there like another version or something??
January 10, 2009 7:50:38 PM

it is a 2nd revision of the 260, first has 192 shade processors, the 216 has 216, higher clocked, beats by a good margin, on par with a GTX 280
January 10, 2009 7:52:27 PM

ummmm out of curosity is the HD4870 1gb any better then the GTX260216coreeditionthinymagigy remeber i got a moderate rres...
January 10, 2009 7:54:09 PM

BTT? what the hell does that mean and please to god dont be another version of a GPU because at this rate im just going to sell my car and buy an alienware for simplicity...
January 10, 2009 7:55:07 PM

is it better? No, its it worse, few games..
a c 120 U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 7:55:07 PM

OmegaStalker said:
lol great now the fight begins i was leaning towards the HD4870 at the moment soooo why is the GTX260 better then is its fps better?? i play cod5 and farcry 2 alot...


I'll use COD W@W for one example. The 4870 has points where the game stumbles. There are a few places where the textures are missing. There are a few older games that will not load with the 4870 card. You get none of this with the GTX260.

Higher FPS don't mean anything. If the card you're using cant provide a "high" enough MINIMUM frame rate it's useless.

First thing I expected to hear was the fan boy ism. Forget that BS. Most everybody who will reply do NOT have both of these cards. Most of these guys only have one machine and limited hardware to "test things on. If you don't own BOTH of these cards then you truly won't know.
January 10, 2009 7:56:57 PM

lol looks like im selling something and buying an GTX260 then...
January 10, 2009 7:57:35 PM

all can say, any 260 216 core you get, you will have zero complaints period! Hardly ever hear of the same good comments on alot of the watered down trailer park cards....
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 8:07:04 PM

At that res they're both very close.
The main thing is the two games listed FartCry2 and COD (PS it's COD:WOW not COD5 which comes out later and is the next gen of the game, people always get that wrong, it's essentially COD4 expansion pack [only Infinity Ward will be making number versions of COD]), which weren't listed when I originally replied. COD:WOW mildly favours the GTX260 with a few frames advantage
FartCry2 also mildly favours the GTX260 under current drivers, but better min fps on the HD4870 w/ AA applied, and added there's a slight boost with DX10.1 AA and the updated 9.1 drivers.

Essentially at that resolution it's about a 5-ish-% advantage for the GTX260-216. They're close, but for those games at that res, the GTX260 has the slight edge. Howver, really you might find feature or something else more important, but all things being equal for that situation the GTX260 would be my choice/recco.

January 10, 2009 8:14:18 PM

But which one gets a better boost in SLI/CF because i want to add another one later and by the way i found a nice cheap 260 216 for like £190 that bundled with games too =p...
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 8:15:13 PM

sharken said:
4870 512 vs 260, Pay attention, do your homework son....


Where did I say 1GB?
And where did you see the 216 you refered to, in his original question?

It's still the same issue AT THAT RESOLUTION where the 512MB for the HD4K is more than enough sonny! [:thegreatgrapeape:5]


I replied in my last quote as a follow-up to the info as the 216 had been provided when asked to me directly, because if he is still talking about the old GTX260, it's a cake walk for the HD4870 either 512MB or 1GB in those two games.
January 10, 2009 8:19:05 PM

lol looks like i've started the Nvidia ATI war!!!! lol woohoo if someone dies can i have yur GPU (or even GPUs!)??
a c 120 U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 8:21:31 PM

OmegaStalker said:
But which one gets a better boost in SLI/CF because i want to add another one later and by the way i found a nice cheap 260 216 for like £190 that bundled with games too =p...


UHOH, here we go again.....LOL

Both the 4870 and GTX260 do pretty good in dual card mode. Both will play Crysis @ 16x10 pretty well in the end.... the aircraft carrier part. A processor going 3.4 or better helps though.

I had an original thought of Xfiring 2 4870 cards. When the first one didn't appeal to me or the way I game I swapped out for the 260. I just recently finished an SLI machine with 2 GTX260's. NOTHING has stopped it yet and that would be my choice.
January 10, 2009 8:24:59 PM

LOL WOOPS did i forget to mention that im running a 2.6Ghz core 2 duo e4700 and i cant overclock because its a OEM mobo... so it wont stop me unleashing all the GPU power will it??
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 8:33:12 PM

swifty_morgan said:

First thing I expected to hear was the fan boy ism. Forget that BS. Most everybody who will reply do NOT have both of these cards. Most of these guys only have one machine and limited hardware to "test things on. If you don't own BOTH of these cards then you truly won't know.


Swifty, you're a participant in that Fanboism too, Omega just hasn't read your previous posts obviously.

As an example of what Swifty's talking about here, let's take a look at one of the most recent reviews that answers ALL of your questions nice an cleanly (HD4870 512MB, 1GB, GTX260+ [no plain GTX260 cause it's no longer a contender, thus replaced] and the SLi, Xfire question);

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/17/xmas-2008-g...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/17/xmas-2008-g...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/17/xmas-2008-g...

These results are similar to those by other sites like computerbase, Xbit, [H]ard|OCP, etc. although at Bit-tech the COD:WOW advantage is an extra few frames better.

It's not just one person's questionable setup and their bloatware infested rig. Get a bunch of them.

Once again, I return to the original statement, grab all the information you can, see what options are available to you, and then decide, not someone else's opinion for them. Ask if you think Swifty's PC is the same as yours or his resolution will be the same as yours and also think whether you want to take 'unbiased' advice from Swifty after you read his list of posts, especially the one about the 512MB vs 1GB on the HD4870 and the quality of his sources of information;
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/254719-33-4870-1gig-p...

Hey, Oemga, it's your money, you need to decide; like I said, Ford or GM?
BTW, they both suck DODGE is #1 says the Matrox & S3 fan of the underdog. [:thegreatgrapeape]
January 10, 2009 8:36:21 PM

lol thanks Mr.Ape (i hope you dont mind me calling you that?) well like i said i think im going for the GTX 260 216 because its coming with two bundled games (farcry2+mirrors edge) i sell them for like 35 so that means il be picking up the card for £150!!! ish hey thats one hard BANG for my buck!!!!
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 8:37:36 PM

OmegaStalker said:
LOL WOOPS did i forget to mention that im running a 2.6Ghz core 2 duo e4700 and i cant overclock because its a OEM mobo... so it wont stop me unleashing all the GPU power will it??


Then IMO, either one will do, they will be somewhat system limited.
I would say in that case go for your best value, and then save for a future upgrade of the Mobo to allow for unlocking your potentially, and then consider either another card, or more likely the best option at that point, selling the choice and then getting one of the next Gen cards at that time.

For now you won't get all of what either card has to offer so IMO Xfire & SLi aren't going to be optimal either so your return on your investment goes down considerably.
January 10, 2009 8:39:44 PM

Your CPU is gonna be a bottle neck no matter what card you pick, so get the cheaper one, they trade blows.
January 10, 2009 8:39:45 PM

yeah but i plan on picking up another mobo in like 6 months OC my processor to like 3.6Ghz (god willing) and was thinking of adding another GTX 260...
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 8:43:03 PM

OmegaStalker said:
lol thanks Mr.Ape (i hope you dont mind me calling you that?) well like i said i think im going for the GTX 260 216 because its coming with two bundled games (farcry2+mirrors edge) i sell them for like 35 so that means il be picking up the card for £150!!! ish hey thats one hard BANG for my buck!!!!


Solid card, as you can see (look at it versus it's big brother too), and if you can sell those games too, that's a nice 'rebate' so no-brainer really. Also, I think that's all you'll need for a while, and then focus your money on that Mobo refresh before deciding to go SLi IMO. I'd say look to the G300 & HD5K options before buying a second card, as to what's best at that time, depends on the games, just like this last round those cheap GF8800s were making SLi very attractive over the new cards, but who knows what the future brings, ComputeShaders, Tesselation and other DX11 features might end up being worthwhile.

Enjoy!
January 10, 2009 8:49:00 PM

I LIVE IN THE UK THAT SMALL ISLAND THAT ALL YOU CAME FROM YEARS AGO BEFORE YOU WENT IN SEARCH OF INDIA!! LOL SO NO NEWEGG AND NOOOOOOOOO REBATES HERE I KNOW SAD!!
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 8:59:27 PM

Not need to shout! :kaola: 

BTW, you might eventually get the Egg, none here in Canada until just late last year, so who knows, maybe someday they'll make it to the land of Curly-Wurlys and Beef flavoured Walkers! :p 
January 10, 2009 9:01:00 PM

lol well you know i have to get my message across the sea to the USOFA lol
January 10, 2009 9:03:35 PM

curly wurlys are the worlds best choclates lol and i dont eat beef crisps im muslim =P now only if they did halal ones...
a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2009 9:12:42 PM

So I guess no Prawn Cocktail ones either? And I wouldn't be surprised if all walker's crisps are deep fried in tallow for extra britishness/goodness.

Yeah, I have Curly Wurly's all the time. You used to be able to buy them in Canada when I was a kid as WigWags, but they dissapeared along with Walnut Whips and some US bars like 100 grand and Whatchamacallit.
Now got get CWs for $2 CAD here at the specialty ships (sucks looking at the UK pence pricing, what a DEAL!).

I guess you get CurlyWurlys and we get the Egg. ;) 
January 10, 2009 9:21:56 PM

lol we can supply each other :p 
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2009 3:07:36 AM

kelfen said:
you would really go through the effort to sell those games? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 180 after rebate 195

Everybody lives in North America, right?! :pt1cable: 

When it comes down to it, just get whatever is cheaper. The GTX260 has the memory advantage, which could be important in future games that have very large textures (Crysis is pushing that trend), but at the same time the HD4870 will get a performance boost when hardware tesselation is added to a game. For example, STALKER Clear Sky recently added DX10.1 support including hardware tesselation which boosted framerates quite a bit (apparently on RV670 as well).
January 23, 2009 2:43:12 PM

i've owned both the sapphire 4870 1g ram with non referance cooler and evga gtx260 216 vanilla, the gtx just works, the drivers work, it over clocks like mad, its quiet and cool. the ati was unstable, didn't over clock worth a poop, and even with the fan speed down made more noise. got my 4870 to 825 gpu/1000 mem, had to crank the fan up and was loud, about 35c idle and 60c gaming...the 260 on the other hand...stock was 576gpu/1242shader/999mem, i have it running 702/1512/1215 all day every day and didn't have to increase the fan speed, it just auto increases using the stock fan settings, 39 idle and 55 gaming. the only thing i don't like about the 260, fully inclosed case, a lil harder to get the dust out when it needs cleaning.

i run an e8500@4.27ghz on xppro, in crysis, everything cranked as high at dx9 will let it @ 1920x1200. doing the crysis benchmark the 4870 would run high 30s fps...38-40 on the 8.12 drivers, the 260 on the other hand runs 44-46 fps with the 181.20 drivers. that's just one example, maybe my set up leans twards the 260, but most games and benches the 260(talking about both cards overclocked) is about 5% or so better. i really wanted the ati to rock, but the final factor for me...the 4870 would crash , sometimes not for hours, sometimes in just 5 mins of gaming, could never tell when, no matter what drivers, no matter how much i cranked up the fan.

fu ati, fix ur crap, i wasted my time playing with them, the gtx just plain works...imho, gl with what ever you do :sol: 
June 1, 2009 7:56:13 AM

Lets face it, ATI is dead, and its now only a shell for AMD.

AMD is a sloppy – unprofessional – 3rd rate company that has poor customer-care and support.

So, we ATI users have to look elsewhere for reliable cards, that actually run and not crash, never mind performance considerations. Ok, Crossfire is the superior solution to SLI, but that’s an ATI solution – not an AMD brain-child. In fact all the “cool” image of ATI and any brand glamour is purely down to ATI, not to AMD.

I don’t particularly like Nvidia, I think they’re cards are over priced. But at least they seem to produce cards that simply work. Ok, a new driver may be needed – but Nvdia cards simply run.

(I just think AMD have missed the opportunity to equal Intel, by lack of customer-care)
June 1, 2009 11:37:09 AM

flame....
as everyone has said: gtx 260 core 216 is better for ur titles WITHOUT AA, and with AA, the 4870 MAY be better for minimums... but i vote 260, even if a ''touch'' more expensive
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