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Anonymous
January 29, 2005 2:08:48 PM

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I wrote about this earlier, but I feel this deserves its own thread with its
own subject line.

There have been a few discussions lately about packaging individual sims
using the sim surgery option in SimPE, namely, packaging the sims so that
you can use the sim again while creating a new family by having a copy in
the Pre-existing Sim queue.

I did this myself, packaging about 20 sims from both of my neighborhoods,
and the problems started almost right away. The package files would become
corrupted somehow, (and I think this may have been caused by changing the
appearance of a sim ingame using a mirror) causing a game crash when I tried
to use a mirror to change a sim's appearance, trying to create-a-sim in the
create-a-family screen, and crashing Body Shop when I tried to create new
sims in that program. Removing the packaged files would stop those crashes,
but for me, that caused another serious problem.

Somehow, the package files in the Saved Sims folder were still referencing
the character files in the neighborhood folder, because the sim whose
package file became corrupt would be ruined. The sim's plumbbob was
disembodied and hanging in the corner of the lot; the sim himself was not
visible, and the invisible sim could not initiate any activities, including
eating and going to the bathroom, for example. They would be immediately
cancelled. In addition to being invisible, the sim was also not selectable.
Selecting the plumbob with the move_objects cheat active would only identify
it as "plumbbob," not as the sim. Deleting the plumbbob did nothing. It
would be regenerated if you were to select the sim from the family panel
(the only way you can select the sim). I have had this happen to five sims
now of my original twenty or so packaged. One was completely ruined, who I
was only able to restore partially through a backup and some fiddling with
SimPE (which took a couple hours). I doubt she'll ever be fully fixed. The
other four were not ruined only by virtue of the fact that I had a recent
enough backup of each of those sim's character files, and that the sim did
not undergo an age transition between the creation of the backup file and
its restoration. If I did not have a backup of any of those sims, I would
have had to have killed the sims, and probably their whole family with them.

(I should note that restoring an old backup file does not change as much as
I thought it would. A sim's memories, friendships, job status and quite
possibly many other things were not overwritten when a restored backup was
put in the game. Those aspects of a sim's life are stored somewhere else,
which may help explain why these corruptions might have happened in the
first place.)

So I would advise anyone reading this to not use sim surgery to export your
individual sims into your pre-existing sims queue. If you absolutely have
to for whatever reason, however, I would strongly suggest that instead of
packaging the sim you play, package that sim's family, run the package and
install a copy of the family in a neighborhood created for this purpose,
then package *that* copy of the sim using SimPE. That way, if the file
becomes corrupt, you're not losing a sim that you play.

HTH,
C
Anonymous
January 29, 2005 6:35:53 PM

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Thanks Charles but I have the latest SimPE and Sim surgery option is
greyed out so I can't use it. Maybe it
is for the best huh? Thanks again for your post.

.........B

"Charles Whitney" <cbillingsw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:361qohF4qlam9U1@individual.net...
>I wrote about this earlier, but I feel this deserves its own thread
>with its own subject line.
>
> There have been a few discussions lately about packaging individual
> sims using the sim surgery option in SimPE, namely, packaging the sims
> so that you can use the sim again while creating a new family by
> having a copy in the Pre-existing Sim queue.
>
> I did this myself, packaging about 20 sims from both of my
> neighborhoods, and the problems started almost right away. The
> package files would become corrupted somehow, (and I think this may
> have been caused by changing the appearance of a sim ingame using a
> mirror) causing a game crash when I tried to use a mirror to change a
> sim's appearance, trying to create-a-sim in the create-a-family
> screen, and crashing Body Shop when I tried to create new sims in that
> program. Removing the packaged files would stop those crashes, but
> for me, that caused another serious problem.
>
> Somehow, the package files in the Saved Sims folder were still
> referencing the character files in the neighborhood folder, because
> the sim whose package file became corrupt would be ruined. The sim's
> plumbbob was disembodied and hanging in the corner of the lot; the
> sim himself was not visible, and the invisible sim could not initiate
> any activities, including eating and going to the bathroom, for
> example. They would be immediately cancelled. In addition to being
> invisible, the sim was also not selectable. Selecting the plumbob with
> the move_objects cheat active would only identify it as "plumbbob,"
> not as the sim. Deleting the plumbbob did nothing. It would be
> regenerated if you were to select the sim from the family panel (the
> only way you can select the sim). I have had this happen to five sims
> now of my original twenty or so packaged. One was completely ruined,
> who I was only able to restore partially through a backup and some
> fiddling with SimPE (which took a couple hours). I doubt she'll ever
> be fully fixed. The other four were not ruined only by virtue of the
> fact that I had a recent enough backup of each of those sim's
> character files, and that the sim did not undergo an age transition
> between the creation of the backup file and its restoration. If I did
> not have a backup of any of those sims, I would have had to have
> killed the sims, and probably their whole family with them.
>
> (I should note that restoring an old backup file does not change as
> much as I thought it would. A sim's memories, friendships, job status
> and quite possibly many other things were not overwritten when a
> restored backup was put in the game. Those aspects of a sim's life
> are stored somewhere else, which may help explain why these
> corruptions might have happened in the first place.)
>
> So I would advise anyone reading this to not use sim surgery to export
> your individual sims into your pre-existing sims queue. If you
> absolutely have to for whatever reason, however, I would strongly
> suggest that instead of packaging the sim you play, package that sim's
> family, run the package and install a copy of the family in a
> neighborhood created for this purpose, then package *that* copy of the
> sim using SimPE. That way, if the file becomes corrupt, you're not
> losing a sim that you play.
>
> HTH,
> C
>
Anonymous
January 30, 2005 3:21:46 AM

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"Jay&B" <someplace@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks Charles but I have the latest SimPE and Sim surgery option is
> greyed out so I can't use it. Maybe it
> is for the best huh? Thanks again for your post.
>
Absolutely. I made the mistake of deleting my old Body-shop Sims but had The
Jones family, including Carmina Creepy in the game on an empty plot. I spent
some time this morning trying to work out how to clone and export them.

I am glad now I remained baffled.

Granny.
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Anonymous
January 30, 2005 9:55:09 AM

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I exported *one* Sim as you describe.

It worked quite well, but I haven't used
body shop since nor have I used a mirror
to "change appearance".

Now I'd be afraid to do that again...

When I make a sim in Body Shop, the Sim
looks different in Create-a-Sim; and all too
often the Sim looks different in the game
than in CAS.
Anonymous
January 30, 2005 3:45:17 PM

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"gnohmon" <gnohmon@panix.com> wrote in message
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>I exported *one* Sim as you describe.
>
> It worked quite well, but I haven't used
> body shop since nor have I used a mirror
> to "change appearance".
>
> Now I'd be afraid to do that again...
>
> When I make a sim in Body Shop, the Sim
> looks different in Create-a-Sim; and all too
> often the Sim looks different in the game
> than in CAS.
>

I have the latest SimPE but the Sim Surgery option is greyed out.
Wonder why? Help please. I probably won't use it but I still wonder why
it's greyed out.


Thanks.........B
Anonymous
January 30, 2005 5:27:11 PM

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"gnohmon" <gnohmon@panix.com> wrote in message
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>I exported *one* Sim as you describe.
>
> It worked quite well, but I haven't used
> body shop since nor have I used a mirror
> to "change appearance".
>
> Now I'd be afraid to do that again...

What I'd do is move the file out of the Saved Sims folder, run that sim's
house and see if you have any problems.

The worst thing that happened in my game when I removed an uncorrupted
packaged sim file is that my sim didn't have a face ingame, and instead had
a blue face floating in the air where the sim's face would be were the sim
standing up and still. (that is, if the sim is sitting in a chair or
sleeping in bed, the blue face would be hovering above them. If she were
standing up still, the face would fit properly. If she were walking around,
the face would not bob along with the sim's head properly) If you have this
problem, using the mirror restores the sim's face, although I'm not exactly
sure if it's precisely the same face as what the sim had previously, and
you'll have to restore makeup, masks and maybe glasses if that sim did in
fact have any of those. If there had been a difference in my sim's
appearance after this, it was that eyes and lips may have turned smaller and
harsher looking, and the eye color changed. But since all my sims who
suffered from this problem wore makeup, it could have just been a
consequence of losing that and me not appreciating what the sims looked like
without it.

Hope that helps,
C
Anonymous
January 30, 2005 6:19:34 PM

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"gnohmon" <gnohmon@panix.com> wrote in message
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>I exported *one* Sim as you describe.

8( I think I am growing dim. Couldn;t work out how to export a Sim
yesterday. Now I have managed to get all the plugins in SimPe to work I
can't sort out how to make pictures.

They show up in downloaded files as packages, but get them in the game? How
but? I'm missing something, somewhere.

>
> It worked quite well, but I haven't used
> body shop since nor have I used a mirror
> to "change appearance".
>
> Now I'd be afraid to do that again...
>
> When I make a sim in Body Shop, the Sim
> looks different in Create-a-Sim; and all too
> often the Sim looks different in the game
> than in CAS.

That's funny... Can;t say I have noticed it....
I will tell you something though. After losing a whole batch of carefully
crafted little faces on my Sims I will make jolly sure I package them all up
and put them somewhere safe in future. For the future.
If I have to make one more Sherlock Holmes I will go potty. 8(

Granny CA.
>
Anonymous
January 31, 2005 9:46:09 AM

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>I exported *one* Sim as you describe.
>It worked quite well, but I haven't used
>body shop since nor have I used a mirror
>to "change appearance".

>Now I'd be afraid to do that again...

>When I make a sim in Body Shop, the Sim
>looks different in Create-a-Sim; and all too
>often the Sim looks different in the game
>than in CAS.

Well I used the surgery options extensively all weekend. I'm building
a new neighbourhood and used it to export my favourites Sims from the
existing neighbourhoods plus I used it to change the appearance of the
NPCs. Body Shop, Create-a-Sim etc all worked a charm, no problems at
all.
Anonymous
January 31, 2005 6:32:43 PM

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"BombayMix" <bombaymix@altavista.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >I exported *one* Sim as you describe.
>>It worked quite well, but I haven't used
>>body shop since nor have I used a mirror
>>to "change appearance".
>
>>Now I'd be afraid to do that again...
>
>>When I make a sim in Body Shop, the Sim
>>looks different in Create-a-Sim; and all too
>>often the Sim looks different in the game
>>than in CAS.
>
> Well I used the surgery options extensively all weekend. I'm building
> a new neighbourhood and used it to export my favourites Sims from the
> existing neighbourhoods plus I used it to change the appearance of the
> NPCs. Body Shop, Create-a-Sim etc all worked a charm, no problems at
> all.

That's not inconsistent with my story at all. I didn't have any problems at
first either. It was about two weeks down the road when those package files
became corrupt somehow that I started getting the crashes and the ruined
sims.

I'd get the crashes, removing the bad file fixed it, but the sim whose
package file it had been was ruined and unrecoverable (with only one
exception, and that sim had the "blue face" problem). I don't know what
caused the corruption.

C
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 1:35:49 AM

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I did all of my Pleasant Village Sims using clone, and that was weeks ago. I
started the first one months ago. I did notice that the clone files and the
original Sims (even in different neighbourhoods) had some relation to each
other, hard to describe what exactly. One example is that of two clones in
different neighbourhoods (and the original in a third) I changed the clothes
on one and the other clones clothes changed too.

But no other real problems. My clone files are stored in sub-folders until I
need them, and my superfluous testing clones are deleted. Maybe this
separation is why I have had none of the corruption problems you are
describing. Has anyone thought to tell these problems to the plug-in
creator?

MM



"Charles Whitney" <cbillingsw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "BombayMix" <bombaymix@altavista.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1107182769.171033.270420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > >I exported *one* Sim as you describe.
> >>It worked quite well, but I haven't used
> >>body shop since nor have I used a mirror
> >>to "change appearance".
> >
> >>Now I'd be afraid to do that again...
> >
> >>When I make a sim in Body Shop, the Sim
> >>looks different in Create-a-Sim; and all too
> >>often the Sim looks different in the game
> >>than in CAS.
> >
> > Well I used the surgery options extensively all weekend. I'm building
> > a new neighbourhood and used it to export my favourites Sims from the
> > existing neighbourhoods plus I used it to change the appearance of the
> > NPCs. Body Shop, Create-a-Sim etc all worked a charm, no problems at
> > all.
>
> That's not inconsistent with my story at all. I didn't have any problems
at
> first either. It was about two weeks down the road when those package
files
> became corrupt somehow that I started getting the crashes and the ruined
> sims.
>
> I'd get the crashes, removing the bad file fixed it, but the sim whose
> package file it had been was ruined and unrecoverable (with only one
> exception, and that sim had the "blue face" problem). I don't know what
> caused the corruption.
>
> C
>
>
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