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E7300 + Radeon HD 4670 1GB vs Q8200 + GeForce 9500 GT

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December 19, 2008 11:32:12 AM

Hi!
I just bought parts for a home made system where both CPU and memory runs on 1066 MHz FSB. I am going to use it for web application development and gaming + regular use.
- CPU: E7300 Core 2 Duo, 2.66 GHz (Bus speed: 1066 MHz)
- Memory: 2 GB (Bus speed: 1066 MHz)
- Graphics: Radeon HD 4670, 1 GB DDR3

The thing is that I just received an ad for a cheaper (pre built Fujitsu Siemens) computer which might be better:
- CPU: Q8200 Core 2 Quad, 2.33 GHz (Bus speed: 1333 MHz)
- Memory: 4 GB, unknown bus speed
- Graphics: GeForce 9500 GT

The graphics is worse but the cpu is better. Which one should I choose?
/ Jeremia
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December 19, 2008 11:41:48 AM

If you have multi threaded apps probably get the Q8200 based one.

@OP: What's your budget? We here could probably spec out a good build for you.
December 19, 2008 11:54:03 AM

I have no idea which of my software is multi threaded.
My budget is 6500 SEK, which is about 550 GBP.
(excluding keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc)

Thanks a lot!
/ Jeremia
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December 19, 2008 12:09:26 PM

What kind of motherboards each system has? Go for the one with higher potential (OC, upgrade path etc...)
December 19, 2008 12:12:00 PM

web apps shouldnt be to stressful and games do run better on a higher clocked dual core. id say get the e7300 and grab another 2 gb ram. it will be a much better gamer. (ddr2-800 is fine)
you could probably build a better system self
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December 19, 2008 12:30:32 PM

shogyn said:
I have no idea which of my software is multi threaded.
My budget is 6500 SEK, which is about 550 GBP.
(excluding keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc)

Thanks a lot!
/ Jeremia

Any websites where you plan to buy from?

My recommendations:
E7200/E8400/Q6600
4GB DDR2 RAM (I recommend the G Skill PI)
WD 640GB AAKS
Corsair 450VX
No gaming: Any $20-25 PCIe Gaming 4850/9800GT
December 19, 2008 12:31:34 PM

The motherboard for the E7300 is a ASUS P5QL PRO. I bought it so that the CPU and the memory could run on the same bus speed (1066 MHz). I thought that would be good. Is it good, or does it not matter so much?

I have no idea about the motherboard for the Fujistu Siemens (Q8200), it doesn't say in the advertisement.

It sounds like I should stick with the parts I have bought (E7300, etc),
just maybe switch the 2 GB 1066 MHz memory to 4 GB 800 MHz memory, if you think that matching the bus speed does not matter.

/ Jeremia
December 19, 2008 12:46:05 PM

The CPU FSB speed of 1066, is equivalent to a memory speed of 533 MHz. 800 MHz RAM rated at 1.8 volts is a much better choice than 1066 RAM, in my opinion.
December 19, 2008 12:59:24 PM

As stated, definitely go for 4GB of DDR2 800. If you're going to do any real gaming, don't go any lower than that 4670 (though the 4830/4850 or equivalent would be recommended).
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December 19, 2008 6:55:49 PM

^+1.
December 19, 2008 8:41:45 PM

Thanks a lot for the info!
I am buying the parts from www.webhallen.com (a Swedish company, since I live in Sweden).

Quote:
My recommendations:
E7200/E8400/Q6600
4GB DDR2 RAM (I recommend the G Skill PI)
WD 640GB AAKS
Corsair 450VX
No gaming: Any $20-25 PCIe Gaming 4850/9800GT


Quote:
The CPU FSB speed of 1066, is equivalent to a memory speed of 533 MHz. 800 MHz RAM rated at 1.8 volts is a much better choice than 1066 RAM, in my opinion.


I will take a look at this and see how it will affect the cost, though I have no idea what "G Skill PI" means. I have never looked at the voltage for the memory before either, but I guess it is mentioned among the details about the memory.

/ Jeremia
December 19, 2008 9:25:07 PM

I bought a case with included 400 W power supply.
Is there a big reason I should change to Corsair 450VX?

I will switch my Seagate hard drive to a WD, but a smaller one.

There are latency figures for the memory modules, e.g. 4-4-4-12. How much should I care about those? Two alternatives:
- Corsair XMS2 4096MB DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz (5-5-5-18) (2x2048MB) (TWIN2X4096-6400C5 G)
- Corsair XMS2 4096MB DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz (4-4-4-12) (2x2048MB) (TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX)
The lower one is slightly more expensive. Is it much better?

I will stick with my E7300. It is much cheaper than the alternatives.
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December 19, 2008 11:16:19 PM

^NOOOO!!!! DO NOT USE THE PSU THAT COME WITH THE CASE. They are cr@ppy quality. Trust me get the 450VX or other quality PSU from Corsair, OCZ, Antec, PC Power & Cooling.

Try and get this RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800.
December 20, 2008 8:45:52 AM

:-)
I guess I will buy a cheaper case and a corsair PSU then.

It was not easy to find the memory you are talking about, from a Swedish retailer, but I guess this is the same memory as the one on your link:
http://www.pixmania.com/se/se/1743570/art/g-skill/pc-mi...

It is easier for me to swith to this HD:
http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=72413
Or do I really need the AAKS model (whatever that is)?
http://www.pixmania.com/se/se/673624/art/western-digita...

Thanks again for your feedback!
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December 20, 2008 4:06:50 PM

^ The AAKS is about as fast as the old Raptor. That's pretty much it. And yes, that's the RAM I was talking about.
December 20, 2008 10:16:01 PM

Thanks for all your advice. No further questions :-)
February 14, 2009 6:40:38 PM

wich one is better for game?
9600 gt 1gb or 4670 1 gb?
& 9500 gt or 4670 512 mg?
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February 14, 2009 8:35:54 PM

4870 wins hands down.
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