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January 12, 2009 7:25:06 AM

HIS?, XFX? Visiontek?, sapphire?

give me some good reasons why these brand is good (your opionions)

thanks

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January 12, 2009 7:32:13 AM

The Brand with the little logo "gtx 260 216"
January 12, 2009 8:22:40 AM

xfx is the best no question about it, but more expensive but sapphire is also good.

xfx has the best warranty
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January 12, 2009 11:02:41 AM

in my country all brand are having same period of warranty,

I prefer cheapest brand (PALIT,SONIC etc)
January 12, 2009 11:38:11 AM

I have heard that HIS make good cards. I am currently using a Sapphire and it's doing fine but I had a few problems with their products in the past. I had a 1950XT and a HD3850 that didn't last too long. Also to be noted, Sapphire customer service plainly sucks. It took 2 months to get a replacement for my 1950XT, in my book it's unacceptable. I understand that things have to be processed and all but 8 weeks for RMA outch.......
January 12, 2009 2:31:00 PM

col-p-todd said:
xfx is the best no question about it, but more expensive but sapphire is also good.

xfx has the best warranty



XFX has a very good reputation earned over the years with their nVidia cards. When it comes to ATI cards, however, they are newbies and I'm not sure I'd trust them yet.
January 12, 2009 3:26:10 PM

Just go for the brands with better cooling mechanism.. I've seen impressive reviews for HIS and POWERCOLOR 4870's, especially about their cooling techniques..
January 12, 2009 4:07:23 PM

yeah i was waiting for XFX reviews on newegg cuz it juz released recently so i dont trust them yet....
XFX looks good cuz more memory speed than all... and good core speed...

I was thinking about HIS cuz it included iceq for less cooling and turbo for more faster....

I currently have 1950x Pro from HIS for 2 years....no plms with it....

YA i saw on newegg for visiontek got award too and more reviews/Rating..


By the way is Palit good too.. It is new brand recently ...
January 12, 2009 4:39:52 PM

visiontek... overclockable to 850 / 1100 without a glitch + good warranty
January 12, 2009 5:06:40 PM

I just got an asus 4870 Dark Night version. It runs COOL for an ATI card. But the fan is a little loud at 50%. Not THAT loud im just picky about noise. It's about 48C in a warm apartment. It has a 3 year warranty but who the heck keeps a gaming cards longer than that? I've had many ASUS products in the past and they are great. I had to return a DVD burner and thier warranty replacement processes is easy and nice.
January 12, 2009 5:33:25 PM

i run a saphire 4850 with an aftermarket zalman gpu heatsink and it runs cool + quiet. the overclock is pretty good, but not where id like to see it. especially in the ram department. still a good card for what i paid ($170 i think?)
January 12, 2009 9:57:54 PM

Just orderd a powercolor 4870 1gig factory overclocked from ebuyer (£221) with next day delivery.All the reviews ive read were good and they stated its at least 14% cooler than the stock cards it should be here tomorrow so ill let you no.Oh and just to let you no im upgrading from my ageing foxconn 8800gts 320mb.
January 13, 2009 1:31:27 AM

I think the Sapphire Vapor-X Toxic Edition is one of the best HD 4870s right now, and not only that it is cheaper than some 4850s. It is $209 with a $30 rebate which brings the price to $179 plus shipping on newegg!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



The Vapor-X Wick technology is what makes this card one of the better 4870s. It is like built in water cooling but with out the pump. I have not seen a single review for this card where as load temp exceeded the lower 50's at the stock settings. And the card comes overlocked as is.

Here is how the Vapor-X cooling works:
Quote:
The Vapor-X cooler works similar to heatpipe technology, but it is much more advanced, and it uses clean water and a process called water vaporization. In the process of cooling water gets vaporized by heating, and vapor fills the vacuum chamber. The vacuum chamber has low air pressure, which enables water to evaporate much faster. An important role is played by three layers in the vapor chamber, a vaporization wick, a condensation wick and a transportation wick. The GPU and memory are in direct contact with the vacuum chamber and they represent the heat source that heats the vaporization wick. The created vapor then moves freely in all directions toward the colder part of the chamber where it comes in contact with cold parts of cooler air and becomes plain water again. The condensation wick then takes that water and the transportation wick routes it back to the vaporization wick thus completing the cooling cycle.
Here is a video of the 1GB Version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzV8Ay9hJW0&feature=chan...
January 13, 2009 3:52:15 PM

anyone bought XFX ati video card yet?

Rwayne yea this video card look tight but why there no reviews on it? if you can find reviews send links here....

which cards have less problems? i still have few weeks left to figure out before im going buy it.
January 13, 2009 5:44:03 PM

I would not expect anything fantastic out of the XFX 4870 just because it uses the ATI 4870 reference fan heatsink on it which probably 80% or more of all 4870s use. So it is just going to be your BASIC 4870, however it is going to have a warranty on it better than any other ATI card on the market.

And knowing XFX I am sure it is just a matter of weeks before they start releasing over clocked versions of it.

Pay attention to XFX's non-reference 4850 and watch for reviews to come out on it.


(pictured above the non-reference XFX HD4850)

The heatsink on the XFX 4850 is something that XFX came up with so it may be good. It would not surprise me if they slapped that heatsink on a future 4870 then overclocked it.

Check the links on my previous post. There are plenty of reviews on the Sapphire Toxic.

Just to let you know I ordered A Sapphire Toxic 4870 a few days ago and should be receiving it sometime this week. I will give you an update once I get it installed and try it out.

Good luck hunting for a card.
January 13, 2009 6:04:58 PM

yea juz let me know if u like it when u got it and installed.

Im thinking about that card i juz read reviews and bechmarks.. not bad..

good prive.... is 512mb should be good for a year? or get 1gb?
January 13, 2009 6:24:51 PM

Get the 1GB version if you have (or expect to have) a 24" monitor. On smaller monitors the 1GB is still better than the 512MB, but the difference in fps is smaller.
January 13, 2009 7:50:48 PM

For resolutions 1680 x 1050 and lower (basically a 22" monitor) then 512MB is more than adequate. However once you go beyond that then your card can start taking advantage of more ram.

The reviews on the Sapphire Toxic edition are good, but not as good as the standard Sapphire 4870 which has a similar looking heatsink but without the vapor X cooling.

To me it is an absolute NO BRAINER choosing between the two because the Toxic Edition is:
  • A faster Card because of it's Over Clock
  • A Cooler Card because of the Vapor X Cooling and Copper Pipes
  • It comes with about $50 of free software on 5 Discs
  • The futuremark rating software is a part of that bundle
  • Plus right now it is cheaper than the standard 4870 which is slower and runs warmer.


    Standard Sapphire 4870 $184 after rebate:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Sapphire TOXIC Edition Vapor-X 4870 $179 after rebate:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    January 13, 2009 7:59:54 PM

    I won't you recommand any brands at all.

    BUT a good company will make a website where it will be easy to find your drivers that are often upgrade.

    Make a phone call or send an e-mail and you will see if you can get a good service about request of a product.

    Also check many stores websites (at least 3 of them and big ones) to have the review of many users on the product you're looking for.

    Hope this will help you to make your choice.
    January 13, 2009 8:19:58 PM

    is the memory clock speed important cuz i looked at sapphire toxic there only 1000 mhz....

    other brand like HIS 1800mhz other one at 4000mhz

    i read many reviews on toxic it look badass

    i have 19inch and 21inch monitor so i guess i stay with 512mb?
    and also i prob will buy another 4870 few months later so i can crossfire it
    January 13, 2009 8:56:43 PM

    Just installed my new card powercolor 4870 1 gig and i must say its a big improvement on my 8800gts played crysis warhead all settings on gamer and x2 aa and at 1400x900, fps was between 45 and 22 sometimes hitting 60.Also tried world at war all settings maxed out and hitting a steady 70 not dropping below 60. company of heroes all settings maxed out hitting a steady 118.Also on idle with 50% fan its at 50c havent checked yet under full load but put the fan on full at idle and dropped to 44c and my case setup isnt the best all in all im happy with this card now ive just got to test armed assault ill let you no on that one.
    January 13, 2009 9:27:56 PM

    wake4x4paintball said:
    is the memory clock speed important cuz i looked at sapphire toxic there only 1000 mhz....
    other brand like HIS 1800mhz other one at 4000mhz
    That is a very good observation. I did not realize it until you mentioned it but the card vendors are listing the clock speeds differently.

    What you have to understand is that there is a multiplier of 4 on the memory clock. The sapphire toxic has memory clock of 1,000MHZ. However if you check their website it says the effectiveness speed is 4GB per second. In other words 1000Mhz x (a memory multiplier of 4) = 4 Gigabytes per second

    Here is another example:
    A 4870 by HIS. It has a memory clock speed of 950MHz and an effectiveness rate of 3.8 Gbps.
    (950MHz x 4 = 3,800 MHz / 100 = 3.8 Gigabytes per second.)
    The DDR5 ram is what jumps the effectiveness rate of the memory up so much. DDR5 memory is a MAJOR advantage that the 4870 has over all other cards right now.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    January 13, 2009 9:51:39 PM

    so i think i will get sapphire toxic i looked on website it pretty tight...
    thx for help me out but keep update when you get yours and let me know if u liek it and fast?
    January 13, 2009 10:45:20 PM

    wake4x4paintball said:
    so i think i will get sapphire toxic i looked on website it pretty tight...
    thx for help me out but keep update when you get yours and let me know if u liek it and fast?
    How far out are you from buying? 2 weeks? A month? That ASUS 4870 Black Knight Card that other guy made a post about is pretty Kick Arse too. I think it is all going to come down to who has the best deal the week you make the decision pull the trigger and buy.
    January 13, 2009 11:31:48 PM

    rwayne said:
    I think the Sapphire Vapor-X Toxic Edition is one of the best HD 4870s right now, and not only that it is cheaper than some 4850s. It is $209 with a $30 rebate which brings the price to $179 plus shipping on newegg!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Ship internationally dammit!
    January 13, 2009 11:39:37 PM

    How about noise? Is that Toxic version quieter or noisier than other versions?
    January 13, 2009 11:45:15 PM

    That is the confusing part to me. If you look at the reviews some people say it is whisper quiet while other say it is almost as loud as the stock fan.

    I spoke with another person on the forum who actually owns one and he says it is very quiet. He bought his when it first came out for $305 dollars! yikes!

    I think at first it may have been an issue for some but at this point I would say it is a non issue.

    The reason I say it is a non issue is because the newest release of Catalyst now allows you to control the fan speed for the 48XX series cards.

    The toxic edition is the coolest 4870 I know of so I am sure if fan speed was an issue you could tone it down substantially.

    Here is a good video for those of you who are interested in how loud the reference stock fan can be. This is exactally why I wanted a non-reference cooler.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh1OkEy6MTk
    January 14, 2009 12:08:22 AM

    Sounds good. Thanks!
    January 14, 2009 12:38:59 AM

    Palit make a nice 4870 too.
    January 14, 2009 4:31:11 AM

    im planning to buy in 2 weeks before Feb....
    So far im thinking abt toxic... so far...

    what about Palit?
    January 14, 2009 5:15:17 AM

    rwayne said:
    I think the Sapphire Vapor-X Toxic Edition is one of the best HD 4870s right now, and not only that it is cheaper than some 4850s. It is $209 with a $30 rebate which brings the price to $179 plus shipping on newegg!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/Rwayne/toxic.jpg

    The Vapor-X Wick technology is what makes this card one of the better 4870s. It is like built in water cooling but with out the pump. I have not seen a single review for this card where as load temp exceeded the lower 50's at the stock settings. And the card comes overlocked as is.

    Here is how the Vapor-X cooling works:
    Quote:
    The Vapor-X cooler works similar to heatpipe technology, but it is much more advanced, and it uses clean water and a process called water vaporization. In the process of cooling water gets vaporized by heating, and vapor fills the vacuum chamber. The vacuum chamber has low air pressure, which enables water to evaporate much faster. An important role is played by three layers in the vapor chamber, a vaporization wick, a condensation wick and a transportation wick. The GPU and memory are in direct contact with the vacuum chamber and they represent the heat source that heats the vaporization wick. The created vapor then moves freely in all directions toward the colder part of the chamber where it comes in contact with cold parts of cooler air and becomes plain water again. The condensation wick then takes that water and the transportation wick routes it back to the vaporization wick thus completing the cooling cycle.
    Here is a video of the 1GB Version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzV8Ay9hJW0&feature=chan...


    I've got news for you: That description of the Vapor-X system is pretty much a perfect description of a standard heatpipe. The working fluid varies, but that is basically how a heatpipe works.

    Of course, heatpipes work quite well, and that cooler is well designed, so I would definitely recommend it.
    January 14, 2009 5:21:59 AM

    Palit Sonic look nice....

    i still have atleast 2 weeks to decide and look stuff lol

    any comments about other cards...

    so far to me Sapphhire or Palit is my choice
    January 14, 2009 5:26:54 AM

    thx cjl for the recommend of this card...
    January 14, 2009 5:50:10 AM

    so seems like toxic more cooler than sonic cuz it has heatpipe and water cooling.....
    January 14, 2009 6:13:14 AM

    It doesn't have watercooling, it's just using heatpipes.
    January 14, 2009 8:04:29 AM

    I hear that Palit is really popular in Europe and other international locations. For some reason they have not caught on very well in the United States. However, they are a major manufacture of video cards and do make a quality product. I think they even manufacture some cards for Visiontek and other companies.
    January 14, 2009 8:17:11 AM

    The brands that I know are made by Palit are Palit (yea?!), XpertVision and Gainward. The first two are usually identical in design with only a sticker change, even the websites are almost identical. Gainward is always more costly. Palit's biggest downfall is warranty, which is usually 2 years. Gainward gets 3 years. At least for Australia, that's excellent for warranty periods :lol:  XFX, eVGA and BFG don't honour lifetime warranties here.
    January 14, 2009 12:27:59 PM

    If you want a great warranty get a XFX 4870.
    If you want great performance get a HIS 4870 IceQ 4.
    That basically sums it up man.
    January 14, 2009 12:50:36 PM

    you can also inform him about the software bundles that will come with the card.

    Palit sucks with the bundles.
    January 14, 2009 12:57:54 PM

    I think Nvidia GTX 260/280's come with FarCry 2 but I don't see any ATI bundles right now.

    I like HIS but wasn't going to pay $40 more for their upgrade cooler over the ASUS. I have found my asus OC's very well. I have set a fan profile in Rivatuner so that when its idle it doesnt run so loud. Other than that it's great. When i mean loud it isn't THAT loud, I just have a pretty quiet PC to begin with.

    All 4870's generate alot of heat though.
    January 14, 2009 2:03:57 PM

    Sapphire has the worst customer service i have ever delt with. Plus everyone sapphire ive had got artifacts within 45 days.

    I have owned several visionteks. I have never had a problem with them and they perform well.

    January 14, 2009 2:38:08 PM





    i think this is the best version of hd 4870 1 gb with beefier capacitors and a better pcb design than a refrence one...
    January 14, 2009 5:10:09 PM

    i wanted to see reviews from XFX before i buy it....

    Sapphire give good bundles
    HIS too

    If i decide to buy toxic i have 5 days left before MIR close
    January 14, 2009 11:06:03 PM

    wh3resmycar said:
    Palit sucks with the bundles.

    Yea, they do, but usually the software bundles that you get with other brands have useless things like 3DMark anyway. I'd rather cut $30 off the price and skip the crapware.
    January 15, 2009 1:11:21 AM

    Well my Sapphire Toxic 4870 came in today. I have not had a whole lot of time to experiment with it so I really can't give a full review.

    I have to say it has made a big difference in the few games I have played tonight.

    With my x1950GT 256MB card I was only able to run Flatout Ultimate Carnage at all low settings. Now I can run it at high with everything maxed out. The game looks so much better. Especially water effects.

    I also turned all of the settings up on Oblivion high as I could.

    Age of Empires 3 looks soooo much smoother. Very enjoyable to play.

    After I got done playing Flat out Ultimate Carnage I pressed ALT + TAB to switch to the desktop and looked at the Catalyst Control Center. The card was running at 49c and the fan was only going at 30% speed.

    I have no pictures for anyone tonight and really can not go in to more details because I have to get up extremely early for work tomorrow.

    I nearly screwed up my PC tonight. I was so excited about the new card that I forgot to unplug the power cord to the PSU. When I inserted the card it booted the PC and wiped out the CMOS settings. I was so mad at myself because I should had known better to pull the power cord before working on it, but everything is back to normal now. Scared me for a second. Really dumb mistake on my part and I know better not to do that.

    I had to reset the multiplier on my AMD 64x2 5000 because all of the settings got wiped out.
    !