Hey all, I posted a day or two ago in the graphics section concerning a which monitor/graphics card to get, but I've decided this section might be better as I am looking to build my first homebuilt system. My current computer is a laptop with a 15" screen, and I've been looking to upgrade for a while as I enjoy games and use adobe photoshop. Therefore, it would be nice if it was good for both, if possible at that budget. (I've been looking at the 9800 GT for a while, any advice on that card?). Anyways, I was doing a lot of research but I figure you all's expert opinions would be better to choose each part, rather than me finding something and then just changing it. Any advice is GREATLY appreciated.
I'll be checking back frequently, thanks. (I know it's an extremely tight budget)
well i couldnt quite stay into ur budget unless you are re-using parts, i did research u a list u can buy for about 700 bucks without shipping cost. though if u already have a case or dvd drive u want to re-use with will be less but i didnt include a monitor either, it will be hard to get a good pc with a monitor for $600...here is the list:
DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Western Digital Caviar Black 500 Gb Hard Drive
EVGA GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W
OCZ Fatal1ty Edition 4GB (2x2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
BIOSTAR TForce TP43D2A7 LGA 775 Intel P43
Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 Wolfdale 2.66GHz
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro
SubTotal:$703.96
For the total u just add the shipping cost that will be aproximatly $12 bucks with ups ground hsipping here in the U.S.A and that it...if u have any parts that u dont need like a dvd drive cuz u gonna re-used urs, u can get it out of the list and get a better board. I though u would like to know im selling the falllowing pc:
GIGABYTE GA-M57SLI-S4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz
Rosewill RCX-Z940-SL 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB)
MSI 8600gt twin turbo
SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe
Ultra 500watt power supply
Seagate Barracuda 250gb 16mb cache
all rap into a atx tower black with gray case. All just for $500 negotiable and then u can get a 17inch or 19 inch in special monitor for 100 bucks. I just though you might be intersted..=)
I'd get a 4850 if you can afford it and a P43 or P45 Mobo.
Hmmm, just a quick build on newegg...
$150 for ATI 4850 $150 for 22" monitor $60 dollars for Antec three hundred case $165 for E8400 $115 for GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R $25 for SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F $55 for Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB $65 for OCZ Platinum 2x2GB OCZ2P800EB4GK $95 for OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W $20 for shipping
$900 dollars total (I originally thought this was $600 but i am feeling math challenged today) $750 without the monitor
If you want quad core you can go with a Q6600 for 190. A nice addition to this system would be an aftermarket CPU cooler.
Message edited by pshrk on 12-21-2008 at 02:48:36 AM
Your right!!! Actually $900 if i did my math right this time, think i forgot to add in the video card and monitor. I will edit the original post to show the actual total.
Nice build shortstuff, you forgot the monitor though...
Message edited by pshrk on 12-21-2008 at 02:36:31 AM
Take a look at Tom's recent System Builder's Marathon, they had a $625 and a $1250 build. I believe the $625 build focused on overclockability but I would take a look at it.
Which comes out to $618.91 before any rebates or shipping and with the $40 of mail in rebates it's $578.91. This is assuming you have a copy of windows you can use. If you need a new copy of windows the only way to stay under budget would be to get a good case with a modest PSU such as the Aspier X-Dreamer, but then I would recommend you don't use a video card that uses more power than a Radeon 4670. I suppose you could also cut $13 by going with an ASRock N61P-S based on the 6150
Giving you an extra $47.99 which would allow you to buy Vista Home basic and only go $20.91 over your $600 budget, with those mail in rebates of course, while still letting you keep that 9800GT. The 500W PSU should be more than enough for one 9800GT, but I wouldn't recommend using it for a more powerful card, or for trying to SLi them .
Message edited by megamanx00 on 12-21-2008 at 03:11:54 AM
Wow thanks for all the builds, a monitor would be nice but its not absolutely necessary I suppose; I have an old lcd I could use. So ati 4850 over nvidia 9800 gt? Just curious, any more advice is greatly appreciated, I really have no clue what I'm doing. Also, is overclocking difficult? I've never done it before and it seems like it might be a little risky. Thanks for all the replies and any more builds.
Hard to screw up, biggest mistake I've made in the past and most people make is to go with a cheaply made PSU (Don't buy an Aspire or a Rosewill).
4850 is better than a 9800GT. Go with a 4850, if you can't afford that then i'd go with a 4830. Nvidia is competitive too so you don't have to go with ATI but i wouldn't get anything lower than an Nvidia 9600GT (8800GT would be better) or an ATI 4670.
From what i remember 4850 is about the same performance wise as a 9800GTX+.
Message edited by pshrk on 12-21-2008 at 04:56:36 AM
I'm not sure about my old monitor, I'll have to look. I know it's 15.4 inches if that helps, are there any problems with megaman's build that includes the monitor? (I plan to upgrade my monitor anyway, so it would be nice to have a capable graphics card). That looks pretty darn good at the moment, but I'm going to keep researching. Also, the 4850 is better than 9800gt? How low do you guys think I could find the 4850, and do you recommend sites like ebay for buying parts?
Edit: Reading back on the posts, I realize I could save lot of money with a smaller hard drive, and a less expensive case/power supply. Also, how important is ram for gaming performance? And if I got a dual-core now, would I be able to upgrade it to a quad later? I'm not sure which parts are upgradable. I don't need a mouse and keyboard at all, if that helps. Basically, it would be great if the system had a lot of upgrade potential, but I understand the graphics/lcd are pretty important for gaming. Thanks again.
Message edited by ejdj on 12-21-2008 at 03:42:06 PM
A good quality PSU is of the utmost importance. When you're dealing with video cards that draw a significant amount of power, like an nVidia 9800 series or Radeon 4800 series, putting in a cheap PSU can cause all sorts of problems. The worst that can happen is that your cheap PSU blows and takes your motherboard and other components with it. You may want to take a look at this
The list isn't completely accurate or too informative but it's a good starting point. Basically don't get something below tier 3 . The PSUs that come with the Aspier X-Dreamers (and are also included with many of their other cases) are only 420W and don't have any PCI-E connectors. That PSU is my Athlon 3000 with it's 1950GT and while not excellent (it of course has slightly higher voltage fluxuations than my Blue Storm) it does a pretty good job and is pretty stable. I wouldn't trust my current build to it though .
Most of the PSUs included with Raidmax cases are junk. Interestingly the Amps on the 12v rail are different on different colors of the same scorpion case . The PSU on the SIMILIDON is decent, but the new version and the old version come with different PSUs (note that is a version without a PSU). I recommend the older model as the PSU on the newer model is the one with LED lights in it and more people seem to have problems with it as it seems to be made rather cheap, compared to semi-decent on the previous SKU .
If you have a local CompUSA or Tiger Direct store you may want to consider one of their Ultra Cases with a PSU since they are usually priced decent and you won't have to pay for the shipping on them . Just do your homework on the different models before you buy one so that you don't get a case you are unhappy with or a PSU that doesn't have enough AMPs on the 12v rail.
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