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December 27, 2008 1:20:57 AM

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Basically I have 6-700 dollars to spend, I was wondering if thats a decent system? Should I just build my own, I have never assembled a PC from scratch before, the mb has always been in it. If so a decent gaming build for that range?

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December 27, 2008 1:35:03 AM

I can tell you that it's not going to play Crysis Warhead at high settings.

For $700, I know we could build something similar if not better. It's up to you, but I like building. It really isn't that difficult.

Let us know if you'd like help
December 27, 2008 1:37:27 AM

I am certainly interested in building a desktop. Not sure where to start, I did take a hardware class where I had to assemble a PC, bu the motherboard was already inside. Is installing a motherboard hard? If not can we start assembling a desktop. For gaming preferably.
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December 27, 2008 1:40:53 AM

building is not that difficult and there are plenty of tips on this site, and you can ask pretty much anything you dont know...
December 27, 2008 1:43:07 AM

the motherboard is pterry easy, all you have to do is "slide" it in and make sure there are placed to screw it in where there are holes on the board. If there are no lifts on the case then you use a standoff to screw in.
December 27, 2008 1:43:34 AM

For $700 and no monitor, you could build a helluva lot better than that crap.
December 27, 2008 1:43:56 AM

No - installing the motherboard is simply screwing 9 screws into 9 brass standoffs through 9 holes in the board. Simple.

Absolutely we can. Let's get you started looking for parts.

Check a P45 motherboard out.

Check either the E7200/E7300 or possibly the E8400/E8500 or on a budget, the E5200

Depending on the resolution, but a 4850 will probably be a good GPU for you.

You should be able to find 4GB of DDR2 800 for $50 or less.

You need a decent PSU - PC Power and Cooling, Corsair, Antec, etc.

Get a decent case (check the Antec 300 - great price and nice mid tower).

Western Digital 640 GB HDD - excellent price and performance.

DVD drive - most SATA models will do.

Check out those parts and come on back and we'll take a look at your list.

IT's not hard to do it. Let us know and we'll help you put it together.
December 27, 2008 1:45:01 AM

Alright ill take a stab at it.
December 27, 2008 1:45:04 AM

That's not a terrible deal, especially if you need the OS.
Using almost the exact same components(without keyboard/mouse/OS) but doubling the RAM and hard drive comes out to $500 from newegg. With the extra money you could get a nicer motherboard and a cooler to overclock that chip(it overclocks well fairly easily) and I'd upgrade the video card to an HD4850 or 4870.
BTW, no it's not hard to install a motherboard.
December 27, 2008 1:52:28 AM

What monitor will you be using? What is the resolution specifically?
December 27, 2008 2:07:12 AM

For a motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
Price: 136.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
Price 159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS EAH4850 TOP/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power supply:
Rosewill RP500-2 500 watt
44.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Fan:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
26.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard drive:
Western Digital 500gig
59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Disk drive:
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe
25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is the monitor I bought:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Acer X193W+BD Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2000:1

total price for pc: 739 I definitely need to bring the price down at least 50-100 dollars. Feedback? If I could downsize in price on everything that would be an awesome help.

I dont know if this configuration will even work, once again I am new at this. Feedback please.
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December 27, 2008 2:32:18 AM

Actually that Ultra machine was the target machine that the developers aimed for with the high setting on Crysis Warhead. Of course it would probably suffer a bit in some areas on high settings in the original Crysis. Anyway as for your build don't use a cheap PSU like that Rosewill, but use something from Antec, FSP, or Corsair instead. You don't want to spend all that money on your system only to have it short out because your cheap PSU couldn't cut it.

You can cut back by looking out for combo deals on Newegg (there's a $10 on a combo with the board and CPU you picked for example) and perhaps downgrading that CPU to a E7200 and overclocking it with a good cooler.
December 27, 2008 2:46:24 AM

if i were you i will not look at Rosewill for PSU.
December 27, 2008 9:22:34 AM


Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129024
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy -$50.00 Instant
$149.99
$99.99
Awesome case and best 500 watt power supply for mainstream

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822148288
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy $64.99

EVGA 512-P3-N971-TR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130397
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info14-130-397.0.18)

1 year: $24.99
2 year: $39.99
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate $122.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
Item #: N82E16835100007
Return Policy: Consumable Items Return Policy $5.99

Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier - OEM
Item #: N82E16835100010
Return Policy: Consumable Items Return Policy $5.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231122
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy -$10.00 Instant
$49.99
$39.99

ASUS P5Q SE PLUS LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131347
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info13-131-347.0.18)

1 year: $14.99
2 year: $19.99
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate $96.99

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E5200 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819116072
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy
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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info19-116-072.0.18)

1 year: $14.99
2 year: $19.99
$82.99

Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3 for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116511
Return Policy: Software Return Policy $89.99

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835185125
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $29.99
Subtotal: $639.90


Everything you need to run the game on the same settings and a better path to the future
December 27, 2008 1:10:53 PM

If I already have an operating system I suppose I dont need that. I also need to add a dvd burner.

After I put the computer together can I just pop in my windows xp disc and it will start asking about partitions or is there more complicated steps I need to take?

Also what and how do I use the thermal compounds? Is that a gel I spread somewhere? Is that necessary?
December 27, 2008 1:35:38 PM

After modifying the build I came up with this:
G 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model GH22LS30 - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136153
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy


$25.99



Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply

Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129024
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$50.00 Instant


$149.99
$99.99



Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822148288
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

$64.99


EVGA 512-P3-N971-TR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

EVGA 512-P3-N971-TR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130397
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

Protect Your Investment (expand for options|hide options)

Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan

The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info14-130-397.0.18)

* 1 year: $24.99
* 2 year: $39.99

$15.00 Mail-in Rebate

$122.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
Item #: N82E16835100007
Return Policy: Consumable Items Return Policy

$5.99


Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier

Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier - OEM
Item #: N82E16835100010
Return Policy: Consumable Items Return Policy

$5.99


G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231122
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant


$49.99
$39.99

ASUS P5Q SE PLUS LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard

ASUS P5Q SE PLUS LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131347
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

Protect Your Investment (expand for options|hide options)

Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan

$15.00 Mail-in Rebate

$96.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115037
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan


-$5.00 Instant


$164.99
$159.99

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835185125
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy


$29.99

Grand total with shipping about 659 dollars. Now are all these parts compatible and will they fit in the case? Secondly, I am reading that this fan is quite large, will it fit? And not block anything. And finally can I actually do this and not screw it up?
December 28, 2008 11:10:25 AM

I felt the same way before I got mine put together. It may feel daunting, but the reward is incredible.
Take your time google a few youtube videos on computer assembly and pay attention to small details ( grounding yourself, applying themal paste,....)

The reason for the thermal paste cleaner and purifier is to remove the horribly thick feeling and hard to remove themal paste from the factory that comes on new processors ( if you are using an aftermarket cooler ) then you will need to apply new paste.

everything looks good and should install with no issues.

The case is roomy and has good airflow so no issues there also
good luck and post back when done
December 28, 2008 1:00:45 PM

What I am considering doing is right now for a time crunch buying the pre-made ultra system, that way I get an OS, mouse, and keyboard, and then in a month or two swap out the motherboard for something far better. Ill post my results later.

I really dont want to deal with thermal paste and issues like that, from what I have built before I have never needed it. Is there a way around it? I know you said aftermarket fan but I have installed fans before without thermal paste and upon looking at several peoples builds here it is never mentioned.
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