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I am shopping around for a new computer for some online gaming and other PC games. I came across the following for $1317 (includes shipping):

Operating system Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q9650 [3.0GHz]
Memory 4GB DDR2-800MHz dual channel SDRAM [4x1024]
Hard drive 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT [2 DVI, HDMI adapter]
Primary DVD/CD drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
Networking Premium Wireless-N LAN card and Bluetooth(R )
Front Productivity Ports 15-in-1 memory card reader, 2 USB, 1394, audio
Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
Keyboard and Mouse HP keyboard and HP optical mouse
Productivity software Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
Security software Norton Internet Security(TM) 2009 - 15 month

I looks like it would meet my needs and be a good value but I would like some feedback before purchasing.

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No, it is not a good value relative to the other options out there on the market right now. MMO gaming does not require the type of power you need for FPS gaming, that cpu is overkill in my mind. Even if MMO graphics improves dramatically in the next few years, I still think this build is overkill and overprice.

I'm assuming you're not going to build your own pc, in which case this is a very good deal:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_II

It expires at the end of the day though so might wanna hurry up.

If you like Intel and want to spend the unnecessary dough, this is also a very decent deal:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_IV/
You get a core i7 AND it's significantly cheaper than your previously mentioned build.

Anyways, I personally think you're getting ripped off for the components you're getting in your original deal.

that is good pc - price is good if its built well and has a good mobo

no a good value? it has $300 cpu for $1300 its good

beware cyber rip off - low prices then ups for everyting from wiring to fans


notes:

i hate norton
its sucks - use avg and spysweeper they work great and less issues

keep in mind good anti changes with new techonolgy - spysweeper has served me well for years and years and has start up blocker - with vista it works well

q9650 is really good non overclocking cpu - that is, its 3ghz quad so its good out of the box

you did not list all the specs

ii suggest u price out the parts yourself on newegg - consider tech support and build quality -- i seen some pretty nasty looking pc's built by the big guys cheap - anyone can toss a system together in 2 hours. building it right takes days


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Overall your original system looks good. Problem is, buying from a builder you get extra garbage. Norton Antivirus, Wireless Lan & Bluetooth (on a desktop?! Why?!). If you want to play MMO's, don't go wireless. ;) 

If you have the know how, or are willing to learn, you can build the same system for less money I'm sure. Otherwise, the system you listed should easily play any MMO out there.

Though you could downgrade your CPU a little bit, and upgrade your Video Card a little bit, and get better overall performance. :) 

Building a system with the Q9650 is kinda pushing the limit where you almost should just look at building a Core i7 920 system.
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dragonsprayer said:
that is good pc - price is good if its built well and has a good mobo

no a good value? it has $300 cpu for $1300 its good

beware cyber rip off - low prices then ups for everyting from wiring to fans


notes:

i hate norton
its sucks - use avg and spysweeper they work great and less issues

keep in mind good anti changes with new techonolgy - spysweeper has served me well for years and years and has start up blocker - with vista it works well

q9650 is really good non overclocking cpu - that is, its 3ghz quad so its good out of the box

you did not list all the specs

ii suggest u price out the parts yourself on newegg - consider tech support and build quality -- i seen some pretty nasty looking pc's built by the big guys cheap - anyone can toss a system together in 2 hours. building it right takes days


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-overclock,2...

Pretty compelling reason to go with the i7 920, especially since it's a few hundred dollars cheaper than his mentioned build. A few months ago, his build would have been an amazing value but with the core i7's now, it's not a good value relative to what's now available.

However, this is all nonsense if all you're going to do is play MMO's. What's the point of getting 200 fps even with all the eye candy maxed out? Save the money, get a cheaper build and spend more on your internet connection as that's your only real bottleneck...

p00p00head said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-overclock,2...

Pretty compelling reason to go with the i7 920, especially since it's a few hundred dollars cheaper than his mentioned build. A few months ago, his build would have been an amazing value but with the core i7's now, it's not a good value relative to what's now available.

However, this is all nonsense if all you're going to do is play MMO's. What's the point of getting 200 fps even with all the eye candy maxed out? Save the money, get a cheaper build and spend more on your internet connection as that's your only real bottleneck...



dude! i agree but.....

i push i7 all the time - 3 months ago when every said ...o core 2 is just as good i had to set them strait. i7 memory bandwidth makes all the difference as we all new months and months before the release!

ITS NO THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU!!!! i do! <i7 is the way to go!

but at $1300???

920 = $300 same as the q9650
but the mobo and ram are $200 more - i7 needs more cooling too and a better case

you need to get to $1500 or $1800 for i7 > from me that is!

i only sell i7 systems at $1800 and up but that is me, at $1300 at take a q6600 clocked to 3.6ghz - as u know i wrote the specs everyone else copied!

lol! but true never the less!
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244351-28-61ghz-1ghz

the question is, is that a good system at $1300 and it might be. he did not ask to spec a $1300 system then i would have spec's one! as u know i lov to show off!


so.......


in conclusion!

1) i7 is the way to go if you can swing it

2) for moddest MMO you need:

a good q6600 at 3.6ghz or e8400 at e8400 (the stock q9650 at 3ghz is ok)

you need a good video card - the 9800GT just makes it!

you need dx10 or vista os

4gb of ram

you should get a raid0 system or raptor - but you 1 drive 7.2k rpm is ok

TO THE POSTER - YOU BE FINE! is optimal? no! is a good deal? not sure but no! will it work? yes!!!!

$1300 pc:

is

nvidia 260 216 or 4870 1 GB
q6600 at 3.6ghz or E8400 at 3.8ghz (e8500 4ghz)
asus p5q pro or nvidia evga 780i ftw
4GB of gskill pc8000 5--5-5
silverstone antec 750-850w psu

your case of choice! dual 120 in and dual 120 out and door fan (or just minimum 1 120 in)

i get copied so much i should just right a book! .....lol!

q6600 needs a xig cooler for $40

dual core need a copper core intel or heck xig too

yadda yadda

same systems i spec's 2 years ago!



If you're spending $1300 on a compy, you really ought to get something better than a 9800GT. HD4870, GTX260, or GTX 285, any of those would work. And a Q9650 is rather stupid right now, considering it costs something like $70 MORE than the far superior i7.... Not to mention DDR3 just isn't all that much more expensive than DDR2 anymore.

p00p00head said:


However, this is all nonsense if all you're going to do is play MMO's. What's the point of getting 200 fps even with all the eye candy maxed out?


Not all MMOs are WoW you know. ;)  A game like Age of Conan, and likely other modern MMOs, will hit even newer systems pretty hard. Even my rig can have troubles with AoC at 1920x1200 with all the settings maxed.
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No, that system is not a good deal.
The Cyberpower "Mega Special" isn't either, because a) it doesn't include the OS, b) who knows what POS PSU it uses, c) too much money wasted on DDR3, and.......
You can build a competent MMO machine for less than $700+cost of monitor, but including OS.
The CPU would be an Intel e8400 or AMD 720BE. GPU would be a 4850, and PSU an Antec Earthwatts.
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