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December 29, 2008 7:30:11 AM

Hello, I want to build a gaming computer, it will not be overclocked. I already have a monitor( 22 inch widescreen), Graphics card( HD 4850 ) and vista 64 bit. I need a Motherboard, CPU, Case, Power Supply, Ram, HDD, DVD/R burner, ect.

Do you think Ebay would be a good place to get savings? Should I risk buying used parts on ebay, or just buy new parts? It's ok if the parts go a little over budget, i might be able to get some cheap off ebay if that is at all smart...

Thank you in advance, I look forward to your suggestions.


Oh, and if I wait until sometime in 2009, do you think prices on computer hardware might drop?

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December 29, 2008 8:12:56 AM

I've found Ebay to only rarely have great deals on hardware. Most auctions seem to end up costing far too close to what you could get new, or ridiculously over. But trying never hurts, could get lucky.

As far as waiting "until sometime in 2009", the nearest and most reasonable things to wait for would be the GTX 295 hopefully lowering the price of the whole GPU range in January, followed by Phenom II hopefully doing the same for CPUs. The mid-range Nehalems should show up in the second half of the year, but that's not worth waiting for versus what you could build now or within a shorter term.
December 29, 2008 8:29:08 AM

Check out the $500 and $650 System Builder Marathon articles on this site.
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December 29, 2008 10:10:59 AM

^ +1.
December 29, 2008 10:48:32 AM

Well, the SBMs include everything, and he's already got the GPU. That makes room for an e8500 and 4GB of RAM.
Since it won't be overclocked, be sure to get DDR2-800 RAM that will run at its advertised timings on the JEDEC standard 1.8V. Anything else does require an overclock, and will probably be CAS6 or CAS7 on the default voltage.
Mushkin and A-Data make some good RAM.
December 29, 2008 6:06:01 PM

Thanks for pointing out that article... I didn't see it.... :p 

So you recommend getting the better CPU then.... sounds good. Should I also go a bit over budget and get a crossfire compatible motherboard and a better power supply to add another hd 4850 in the future?

And from personal experience, has anyone ever bought parts from ebay with good results?
December 29, 2008 7:10:05 PM

I am looking for a new build PC as well. As far as the advices I got, running crossfire in the future will probably not happen, as you will tend to take a new single card which will perform better then a crossfire combination (which will also take allot of Watts of power).

YOu can offcourse leave the option open. Most Gigabit EP45 boards are cheap and supporting crossfire. I am looking at the EP45-DS3 myself but not looking to use crossfire myself.

System should come within your budget:
Link to my forum article
12431 Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3 (ATX, LGA775, DDR2) € 115,95
10376 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (S775, 2x3GHz, 6MB, 1333MHz FSB, Boxed) € 149,95
6958 Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro (Socket 775) € 16,95
12447 Kingston (2x)2GB DDR2 PC6400 800Mhz CL6 (KVR800D2N6⁄2G) € 34,90
11034 Antec Three Hundred (ATX, Geen PSU, Zwart) Direct leverbaar !! € 50,95
11847 Antec Earthwatts 650W (ATX12V 2.2) € 70,45
10059 Seagate 500GB SATA II 7200RPM 32MB Barracuda 7200.11 (ST3500320AS) € 47,95
December 29, 2008 7:32:45 PM

Yes... that looks like a great build... Plenty of room for expansion too.

I have seen some people talking about vista... they say it is slower than XP is. Should I stay with XP even though I already have vista 64 bit? (got it free from work, so doesn't matter to me)

Is it worth spending the extra 25 dollars or so for the CPU cooler? Does the stock cooler suck so bad?

Again thank you for your time.
December 29, 2008 7:34:53 PM

According to Newegg, needing to choose slightly different parts, we are within the 650.

GIGABYTE GA-EP45C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - $132.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $64.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - $164.99
Antec NeoPower 650 Blue 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - $139.99
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model DH-20A4P-04 - $19.99
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - $36.99 -$10.00 Instant $26.99
COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $89.99 -$10.00 Instant $79.99

Subtotal: $629.93
December 29, 2008 7:37:38 PM

I don't see any reason to install XP on a new build. I went from XP Pro to 64-bit Vista and have been very happy. I have SP1 installed and it's been a very stable, fast OS. The only BSOD I've ever seen was caused by pushing an overclock too far. Don't believe the Vista bashers, most of them haven't even used it before. A lot of people bash Vista because they "heard" it's crap. :) 

http://www.mojaveexperiment.com
December 29, 2008 7:38:33 PM

delbunk said:
Yes... that looks like a great build... Plenty of room for expansion too.

I have seen some people talking about vista... they say it is slower than XP is. Should I stay with XP even though I already have vista 64 bit? (got it free from work, so doesn't matter to me)

Is it worth spending the extra 25 dollars or so for the CPU cooler? Does the stock cooler suck so bad?

Again thank you for your time.



Depends on your needs. During gaming, CPU and VGA run at max tempratures. For this core it might not be needed, as it is only 65W max.

However, why save 25 dollars on a 650+ build.

Especially when you realize that the temprature dicates the lifetime of your parts and the stability of your system, then I like to be better save then sorry.
December 29, 2008 7:41:57 PM

I like winXP better, but Vista might be the better choise. DirectX 10 support is better in Vista and in the future updates... also, when going for 4+ GB memory, winXP will not take the full advantage of it as it lacks support for this.

As for the cooler, stability and endurence of your parts are depending on proper cooling. Stock cooler will run warmer (but in acceptible range). During hot summers and long gaming sessions, you will find that the CPU and GPU give out allot of heat. So personally, I like to have the cooling.

Also, 25 dollars on 650 does not seem to be a big impact on the budget...
December 29, 2008 8:14:37 PM

GrimReeperNL said:

As for the cooler, stability and endurence of your parts are depending on proper cooling. Stock cooler will run warmer (but in acceptible range). During hot summers and long gaming sessions, you will find that the CPU and GPU give out allot of heat. So personally, I like to have the cooling.

Also, 25 dollars on 650 does not seem to be a big impact on the budget...


Agreed on cooling though a good case such as the CM 690 mentioned above will help. Might want to drop an extra fan or 2 in it though to help with those long sessions.

I have the CM 690, E8500 OC at 3.9 and an Xigmatech S1283 cooler which runs great. The S1283 is only 26.99 after rebate though I recommend getting the add'l retention bracket which is like $9.

December 29, 2008 9:05:02 PM


I do play games for a long period of time quite a bit. 20-30 bucks is not a big deal really. I was just curious as to the cooling.
I have a few fans laying around, so I can add those into the case too.

As for the OS, I suppose I will use my vista 64bit. All of these suggestions are great, I appreciate them! Now I have to make up my mind haha
December 30, 2008 3:41:28 AM

Since you do not plan to overclock the stock cooler would be fine. having someone hijack your thread is confusing so if you have questions on your parts selection, please reply.
December 30, 2008 6:12:52 PM

alcattle said:
Since you do not plan to overclock the stock cooler would be fine. having someone hijack your thread is confusing so if you have questions on your parts selection, please reply.


No hijacking being done here. Only stated that based on allot of advices of others, I came to a shopping list fitting his needs and budget, so stated those parts and prices only, Nothing more, Nothing less. Link to my arcticle is mentioned seperatly, especially if someone feels the need to reply to me or my shopping list, they can find the proper spot to do so.

Please thick before you post, that would aviod confusions as well. Thanks.
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