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March 26, 2009 3:56:24 AM

my c2d E6600 died and now i'm using my fathers pentium D. father told me that it has 3.0 GHZ, 800 fsb and 2mb cache (he's not sure about the cache). i found out that must be pentium d 830. but, cpu-z shows that it's pentium d 925 and has 4mb cache. whatever, i may upgrade it (if needed). other components of my rig -

mobo: gigabyte ga-965gm-ds2 (rev. 2.0)
RAM: 2gb ddr2 667
GPU: asus EAH4670/HTP/512MD3
PSU: 400 watt
sound: onboard
os: win xp sp2


my mobo does not have support for 45nm and 1333 fsb cpu's. so, my cpu must be a 65nm and 1066/800 fsb cpu. my questions -

1. where is my bottleneck ? i think that you guy's will go for the cpu. so, that means i need to upgrade that.
2. if so, then which one? pentium dual core or core 2 duo? and which model ? now i'm in a budget and cant afford more than c2d e4500.
3. what is the diffenrence between pentium dual core and core 2 duo ? which will be better for gaming ?


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March 26, 2009 5:14:58 AM

cryvidia1191 said:
my c2d E6600 died and now i'm using my fathers pentium D. father told me that it has 3.0 GHZ, 800 fsb and 2mb cache (he's not sure about the cache). i found out that must be pentium d 830. but, cpu-z shows that it's pentium d 925 and has 4mb cache. whatever, i may upgrade it (if needed). other components of my rig -

mobo: gigabyte ga-965gm-ds2 (rev. 2.0)
RAM: 2gb ddr2 667
GPU: asus EAH4670/HTP/512MD3
PSU: 400 watt
sound: onboard
os: win xp sp2


my mobo does not have support for 45nm and 1333 fsb cpu's. so, my cpu must be a 65nm and 1066/800 fsb cpu. my questions -

1. where is my bottleneck ? i think that you guy's will go for the cpu. so, that means i need to upgrade that.
2. if so, then which one? pentium dual core or core 2 duo? and which model ? now i'm in a budget and cant afford more than c2d e4500.
3. what is the diffenrence between pentium dual core and core 2 duo ? which will be better for gaming ?



Just curious. How do you know your cpu is dead? I have never come across a dead cpu. I want to know the signs of dead cpus.
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March 26, 2009 8:25:34 AM

but i dont wanna change my mobo and just want to change my cpu.


thanks.
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March 26, 2009 9:00:41 AM

Without support for 45nm CPUs, your current choices are kinda limited.
I would recommend either an E2200 or a Q6600 from neweggs avaliable stock.
Either will be faster than your currend P4D and both are very overclockable.
The budget E2200 can easialy be overclocked to run faster than your previous E6600.
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March 26, 2009 1:11:46 PM

thanks for the reply. what is the difference between c2d e4500 and pdc e2200 (specially in gaming) ? both has 2.2 ghz clock speed and 800 fsb. and both are made by the same technology. but e4500 has 1mb more cache than e2200. will this make a difference ?


and what about the other cpu's like pdc e2160/e2180/e2220 and c2d e4300/e4400 ?
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March 26, 2009 1:19:13 PM

There will be little difference between the E4500 and E2200 while gaming.
While the extra 1Mb of L2 cache will give the E4500 a minor performance boost, it will be nothing major.

For the most part, the E2x00, E4x00 and E6x00 series are exactly the same with the exception of the amount of L2 cach, rated FSB and multiplier.
They are all based off E6x00 Conroe dies but the E2x00 and E4x00 chips have some defective L2 cache disabled.
The upside is that, due to being binned to run on a 200Mhz FSB, the latter chips will have much higher multipliers and can therefore be overclocked easier.

Any of those CPUs you list will work fine in your system.
If I had a choice between them and they were similarly priced, I would go for a E4x00 series for the extra cache.
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March 26, 2009 1:28:20 PM

You can expect a difference between the E4XXX and E2XXX to look similar to these results. (results will vary by game/program - and the rest of the parts in your system)
If you're not going to do at least a little bit take the CPU with the fastest clock rate you can afford.

Quake 4 Benchmark:
E4300 1.8GHz 800FSB 2MB = 79.0 FPS
E2160 1.8GHz 800FSB 1MB = 74.3 FPS

Serious Sam 2:
E4300 1.8GHz 800FSB 2MB = 100.4 FPS
E2160 1.8GHz 800FSB 1MB = 88.9 FPS
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March 26, 2009 2:31:03 PM

Also, consider how long you intend to keep this motherboard. If you'll be replacing it in the next 1-2 years, saving a few bucks and going with the E2200 may be your best option. If your going to hang on to it long term, E4500 or Q6600.
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March 27, 2009 7:57:07 AM

all right, thanks for the helpful answers guys. because i am a budget gamer, i'm going for the E2200.
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March 27, 2009 3:55:02 PM

For most games, the limitation will be the 4670. The resolution that you use will also play a part.
Upgrading the vga card to a GTS250 or 4850 might be the most effective upgrade.
If you are mostly getting 60FPS, then no change will make much difference. If you are mostly under 30FPS, then look for an upgrade.

I would first upgrade from 2gb to 4gb which is very cheap. Here is a reason why:
http://www.corsairmemory.com/_appnotes/AN804_Gaming_Per...
You can get a 4gb kit for<$20 after rebate.

I do not find the GA-965GM-DS2(rev 2.0) on the gigabyte support web site.
There is a GA-965QM-DS2(rev2.0) Is that what you have?

While you are gaming, look at the task monitor to see how busy your cpu is. If it is near 90%, then the cpu is the limiting factor.
If the utilization is low, like 50%, then look elsewhere.

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March 28, 2009 11:34:04 AM

thank you for your reply. i just bought the radeon 4670 512mb ddr3 a month ago and my previous gpu was radeon x1650 xt 256mb.

i want to occasionally play the latest first person and third person titles (specially crysis, f.e.a.r. 2, gta iv, assassin's creed, dead space, far cry 2 and the wheelman) in 800x600 or 1024x768 resolution, turning sound, A.I. and physics at max, AA to off, IQ to medium or high (of course not to very high), and in DX9 mode.

i'm sure that my mobo is GIGABYTE GA-965GM-DS2 (Rev. 2.0).

i had not read that article you linked, but why i need 4GB of ram ? i use a 32bit XP and that os can utilize up to 3.5gb ram. i think that 2gb ram is the standard. i never seen a game which recommends 4GB ram (except Legendary). But, legendary was not also a power hungry game. and look at some famous reviewers (like- gamespy, ign, gamespot) because none of them uses more than 2GB ram (specially gamespot, because they run their radeon 4870x2 2gb gpu in 2gb ram).

so, may be 4gb ram will not make a difference for me.
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