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June 4, 2010 8:15:31 PM

I need some advice on a watercooling setup. here is my setup, along with previous and current cooling methods.

AMD 1090T Phenom II X6
Asus Crosshair IV
8GB corsair AMD Dominator memory DDR3-1333 CL7
Asus 5750 Formula video card (soon to be a 5850)
Silverstone Strider Plus 750w
Lancool PC-K62
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme (previous)
CoolIt Domina A.L.C. (current)
Arctic Cooling MX-3


I have been thinking about getting the Swiftech Ultima XT kit, but I am only happy with one of the components.
my question is should I go for the kit and upgraqde later, or spend a little more right now and go custom kit. the problem is the store that I will be buying from only has the ek water blcoks Supreme HF for the water block, they don't have any of the other top brands of water blocks. If I were to build a custom kit it would be as follows:

Thermochill PA120.3
MCP655 (not B model)
not sure what reservoir I would use yet
eK water block (no others in stock)

here is my overclocking setup:

I can stay under 50c @4GHz if room temp is below 21c, if above 21c I can stay under 50c @3.8GHz

I would like to be around 45c @4.1-4.3GHz

The CoolIt Domino/TIM has lowered my temps by a couple of degrees, but I would still like to be cooler.

Avg. room temp (summer) 23c-25c (probably closer to 25c)

is it worth it to go the watercooling route, as I am sure it is which setup would I benefit from (I can get 30% off the swiftech kit - 200CAD). thanks for the help

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a b K Overclocking
June 4, 2010 10:03:16 PM

Water cooling will certainly help if you are going in to the 4Ghz+ range esp. if given that most X6s need high vCore to hit above 4Ghz.

Before I can tell you what to buy, where are you from and where are you buying from and what is your budget?
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a b K Overclocking
June 4, 2010 10:45:08 PM

Shadow703793 said:


Before I can tell you what to buy, where are you from ?

I can get 30% off the swiftech kit - [b said:
200CAD]I can get 30% off the swiftech kit - 200CAD
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I'm thinking Canada
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June 5, 2010 4:31:30 AM

I am Canadian, and my budget is up to about $400 (not including cooling the video card. I use NCIX, but I have found a great price that I am sure NCIX will match (I won't give out the source, sorry fellow canadians). so I can get it for low $200s CAD, $300 with all the fittings I need (90s to make if fit nice and koolance quick disconnects).

My worry was that every review I checked out put the APOGEE XT as the best water block. the swiftech kit obviously includes that, but the pump included is not adjustable, and I would like a thicker 3x120 rad.

so which is better to have first and which is less important to upgrade to later

kit=better waterblock
custom=adjustable pump, bigger thicker rad

also if anyone running a modest water cooling setup can post your overclocking results with the Phenom II X6
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June 5, 2010 4:33:23 AM

Shadow703793 said:
Water cooling will certainly help if you are going in to the 4Ghz+ range esp. if given that most X6s need high vCore to hit above 4Ghz.

Before I can tell you what to buy, where are you from and where are you buying from and what is your budget?



I had 4GHz (20.0xMultiplier @1.3625 volts, but it would run @ 1.4v under load)
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a b K Overclocking
June 6, 2010 12:54:45 AM

lol delluser.

@OP:
1. What EK blocks do you have access to?

2. As for the res, get a Swiftech Micro res. FrozeCPU ships to Canada, but you do spend a bit more (in both S&H and normal price). Frozen has pretty much every thing you need.

3. The current #1 block is the EK Supreme HF: http://skinneelabs.com/ek-supreme-hf.html?page=4

5. Stick with the custom loop.

6. What fans?

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June 6, 2010 5:14:16 AM

Shadow703793 said:
lol delluser.

@OP:
1. What EK blocks do you have access to?

2. As for the res, get a Swiftech Micro res. FrozeCPU ships to Canada, but you do spend a bit more (in both S&H and normal price). Frozen has pretty much every thing you need.

3. The current #1 block is the EK Supreme HF: http://skinneelabs.com/ek-supreme-hf.html?page=4

5. Stick with the custom loop.

6. What fans?



1. it would be the supreme HF.

2. I dont mind that res at all, I think frozen cpu was out of stock on water blocks too (Koolance CPU-360 in stock and supreme hf in stock)

3. with 2 of the plates it beats the apogee xt (but I'd prefer not to tear the block apart right away, because if it leaks from the block there is no warranty)

4. left out of the bunch :( 

5. ok, how much of a temp difference do you think it will make?

6. don't know yet, not to worried about silence but would like a fan with different settings. (I keep my PC on all the time, and when it is sitting idle, I would like a quiet fan, but during gaming/editing the fans can be a bit noisy, but not deafening) probably a fan that has settings around 1000RPM, 1500RPM, 2000RPM give or take.
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a b K Overclocking
June 6, 2010 12:00:06 PM

I buy the highest RPM fans I can find and use a fan controller.
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a b K Overclocking
June 6, 2010 3:12:02 PM

+1 Rofl.

I bought some Yate Loon D12SH's (4 of them), and with a fan controller, they are perfectly silent on low (5v or so), and move plenty of air through my rad to keep everything cool at idle.
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June 6, 2010 5:55:49 PM

that is what I will do, thanks for the input. how does a 3x120 rad and a 4x120 compare when used on a cpu only loop?
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a b K Overclocking
June 6, 2010 6:27:47 PM

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3. with 2 of the plates it beats the apogee xt (but I'd prefer not to tear the block apart right away, because if it leaks from the block there is no warranty)

This should not be a problem if you leak test before using. ALWAYS leak test out side of the case. Jump the green to black wire on the PSU to test outside the case.
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June 6, 2010 7:27:10 PM

ok, I thought about that after I said it. I've heard I should be leak testing for 24h, that sounds a bit long, but if thats whats best.
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a b K Overclocking
June 7, 2010 3:48:26 PM

^ I personally do a 24hr test as pin hole type leaks show up then. If this is the first set up, by all means do 24 hr test. Some of the pros choose to do about 6hrs and others still 24hrs.
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a b K Overclocking
June 7, 2010 4:40:30 PM

drummerdude2010 said:
that is what I will do, thanks for the input. how does a 3x120 rad and a 4x120 compare when used on a cpu only loop?

Well, I've my CPU and GPU (both in my sig) in the loop, and the GPU idles/loads at 30C/45C and the CPU at 34C/62C, with a 28/29C ambient temp (finally got my A/C fixed! 24C here I come!).

As for just CPU, I think that it would idle near the same and load in the 50s.

As for leak testing, I'd say the longer the better, just in case! If something leaks and shorts, it's not covered under any warranty!
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June 7, 2010 6:11:08 PM

jedimasterben said:
Well, I've my CPU and GPU (both in my sig) in the loop, and the GPU idles/loads at 30C/45C and the CPU at 34C/62C, with a 28/29C ambient temp (finally got my A/C fixed! 24C here I come!).

As for just CPU, I think that it would idle near the same and load in the 50s.

As for leak testing, I'd say the longer the better, just in case! If something leaks and shorts, it's not covered under any warranty!


You gave me your temps, but never said what size rad you are using??
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June 7, 2010 6:16:55 PM

it seems like the rad is going to put me mildly over budget, so I think I am going to get a swiftech mcr220 and mount it internally and maybe for father's day, or in a month or two, I will add a HWLabs GTX 360 outside the case.
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a b K Overclocking
June 7, 2010 8:02:02 PM

I have a 4x120 Swiftech rad with Yate Loon D12SH's running at 5v.
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June 8, 2010 9:19:38 PM

so $300 for swiftech kit and extra fittings or $450 for a custom built kit with black ice gtx 360 and ek supreme hf and speed adjustable mcp655?
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a b K Overclocking
June 8, 2010 9:53:09 PM

I don't know about their prices for Canada, but FrozenCPU is getting rid of their Feser Xchanger 4x120s for $80USD.
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a b K Overclocking
June 8, 2010 9:55:19 PM

jedimasterben said:
I don't know about their prices for Canada, but FrozenCPU is getting rid of their Feser Xchanger 4x120s for $80USD.

That deal is over
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a b K Overclocking
June 8, 2010 9:57:49 PM

Ahh, the woes of posting from my phone, sites still aren't that easily accessible.
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June 9, 2010 12:50:49 AM

I figured out with a cutom mounting solution (I will enjoy making) will let me mount the rad inside the case and the fans where the 140mm fans are stock. so I am going to start with the swiftech kit as it will cost me under $250 shipped now that I know that I can get the rad inside the case, and I will add a gtx 360 or 460 when I add a 5970 or 2 to the loop.
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a b K Overclocking
June 9, 2010 12:59:30 AM

Wow, yeah, those things will eat up some rad! Id give each card its own quad!
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June 9, 2010 8:55:58 PM

I found a little gem today, a never used freezone (not elite) for $75. I am going to get it and splice it into my current domino A.L.C. loop and in a couple weeks put it into a custom loop. do you guys think its worth the $75 to get it and will it integrate well into a water cooling loop?
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a b K Overclocking
June 9, 2010 10:40:12 PM

So you already have a Domino? I don't think that they will play well together, but then again, I don't exactly know much about TEC coolers.
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June 9, 2010 10:55:27 PM

my problem is whether or not to bother connecting the 2 systems, I have had the domino up for sale, but have not had any serious interest, so I think I will do it.
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June 9, 2010 10:58:28 PM

well, I will only use one of the wo pumps, and if I had the radiator after the freezone in the loop, it would be counter-productive, but with them run Res->pump->CPU->freezone->Domino->Res this would only be a temp solution as I will be adding a cutom setup with the freezone, but no domino.
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