Intel vs Nvidia - whos right!

Well nvidia has sued intel, nvidia's cross licence agreement as all know expired and nvidia did not get it renewed due to dirty dealing in SLI back 3 years ago when it pulled support for SLI from 975x chipsets.

After nvidia got its intel licience it then did not renew intels licience - intel never files suit or really publically went after nvidia they just waited patiently for nvidias licience to expire.

Incase you do not know, early intel based X975 chipset mobos where both crossfire and SLI ready - nvidia blocked it. Also nvidia made statements like "intel does not know how to make chipsets" among other things!


fox business says: "SAN FRANCISCO -- Nvidia Corp. said late Thursday it is countersuing Intel Corp. over a chipset contract dispute. Last month, Intel sued Nvidia claiming a 2004 chipset agreement did not give Nvidia the right to make chipsets that are compatible with new Intel semiconductors with "integrated" memory controllers. "Nvidia did not initiate this legal dispute," said Jen-Hsun Huang, Nvidia president and chief executive, in a statement. "But we must defend ourselves and the rights we negotiated for when we provided Intel access to our valuable patents. Intel's actions are intended to block us from making use of the very license rights that they agreed to provide."


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I like to add this is big beef of mine, i was caught up in this when it happened we even used hacked sli drivers -- this of coarse was no good as soon as new cards came out and there was no updated driver support.



the move by nvidia forced us to use nvidia chipsets which ran hot and not as fast with dual core cpu's. Then quad cores ran even woarse with nvidia chipset. Anyone who builds knows that the 690i, 780i where trirrible quad overclocking chipsets and the.

The P5N-e many use with the 650s chipset the max fsb was 1400fsb if you wanted a 100% stable system and you need to add fans to the nb. In the dark ati R600 days if you wanted a multi gpu cablity you where forced to use the nvidia chipsets and 800GTX over priced at up to $800 for a water cooled BFG.

Nvidia golden days would close as ATI moved to new cooler running 3870 then the 4870 series and quad cores and intel chipsets became much more popular.

Keeping things to oneself can cause problems for others, like SSE4. Businesses arent interested in the consumer, just themselves

As I understand it, AMD and Intel are free to use each other's x86 extensions and enhancements (Though, this current Intel/AMD litigation may change things).

AMD chose not to use the full SSE4 instruction set. They went with a small subset (SSE4a) as they focused on SSE5. IIRC, it was AMD's choice - not Intel holding out on them.

As far as nVidia vs Intel: I haven't seen the details of what nVidia is suing for - ie, Do they just want the right to make chipsets, or are they trying to revoke some rights Intel has licensed? With so many patents out there, it's hard to say if Intel is using other nVidia IP other than SLI.

I'll have to wait for more details to come out. One one hand, nVidia may have a valid argument. On the other hand, Jen-Hsun Huang sometimes gets, shall we say, "excitable".

or USB, or GeForce3 or.... you can go on and on. In courts of law, thats where itll be decided, like in Korea, or the EU concerning M$

my point is nvidia does blatantly anti-consumer stuff like banning intel chipsets from sli for 3 years until they had to switch <acutally i guess i am still pissed on my 975x and others who we built

this really hurts some user and customers -

nvidia held the 200 back until they needed to one up ati

the sold overheating chipsets and lost their butts on notebooks when they failed but they ran hot in desktops too

nvidia wants to write the rules - intel makes the atom and wants to package it with a chipset its their product. nvidia want to force them to sell the cpu by itself - buy the chipset toss it in the garbage, like i toss psu and fans out of cases!

enough people bitch, itnel will flip and the atom and nvidia gets it way

i am sure they make special drivers for evga mobos for triple sli at asus's expense, and they tweak the physics engine for their gpu's in testing - i guess this is not much different then intel tweaking the bios for qaud cores and chipsets

Well if Intel and NVidia had an agreement then NVidia should have kept their end of the deal.

intel did not getting a counter agreement - i think the sli pull caught them surprise as it did me with x975 mobos and intel waited and pulled a nvidia

here we are today

after nvidia lacked 780 support at first

finally no i7 support at all - nvidia is forced so sue or be locked out of potential 85% of the cpu market and new and upcoming note book i7 or i5 cpus

Not familiar at all really. What is happening here is nVidia screwed Intel so now that the licsense has expired it is up to Intel to decide to let it renew or not. nVidia can't really claim anything the other way TBH.

What happened with Intel and AMD is more on the IP side than this. AMD is using x86. Even thier x86-64 is still x86 based. So Intel has the right to protect that technology from being thrown out to some other company if it is in breach of the agreement. I think if AMD kept 50%+ of the Foundry it would be fine. But since, from what I have heard, AMD is now only in possesion of 30%+/- due to some switching on Dubais part its not owned by AMD thus they cannot have them make the CPUs.

but thats all from my eyes and whats been spread.

Anywho, whats up with you JD in everytime something comes up for Intel you talk about the AMD/Intel x86 crap? We all know what will happen. AMD and Intel will talk it over and in the end something will come to an agreement. This on the otehr hand will end up different. nVidia is very stingey. They want SLI to themselves so they can force customers to buy their chipsets and make money.

Think of it this way. AMD has the power to leave CF to just their CPUs. Or they could leave it to their chipsets forcing Intel to allow ATI chipsets. But instead they allow Intel to use it on their chipsets. Why is that? its because they know they will make more money off of Intel chipsets than their won. The main rason is because the Intel chipsets are the best for Intel CPUs. I can't count the number of people I know who wish they had gone with a Intel chipset (and ATI card) instead of a nVidia chipset.

Think of it this way. Its all business. 1 company doesnt want another company (GF) to use its IP. Really, its as simple as that. Im actually for that, in the AMD case, because Im not at all comfortable with GF doing this, as it could lead to other problems. But I also believe this could never happen, and Intel is just p1$$1n in the wind on this, and is more sending an overall message, like they are to nVidia to not mess with us, knowing the EU is soon to start next year.
I mean, cmon, do you REALLY believe that GF would be able to get away with using 86 IP?

Dont have to like it or agree with it but Intel does have some brilliant people guarding their IP. I don't like to see innovation stifled but if it were my company and hard such a death grip on the market I would probably look at it different.
JDJ as alot of times before put it proper perspective. This isnt about what Intel fears now. The legal ramblings and petitions, threats, etc are to do their level best to make sure they remain the most significant player in the game. They dont want AMD to grow, the want Nvidia to die or become something they can grab in a fire sale at some point.
I think the biggest problem for Intel is they are becoming a more public bully. We all knew they play some dirty pool with AMD and Nvidia (along with many others). It is just becoming so public now that they could create a monster of a public perception problem at some point. Makes court cases harder to win when the general public sees you as a scoundrel.

Things like nVidia announcement of possibly entering into the cpu business and this http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090327PD204.html
Im sure drives Intels motions as well

Intel, to a point , has neglected their chipset functionality like the red headed ugly step child, just for certain functions, like they have their IGPs. Tell me, if they hadnt, how much more would the ATOM not only be a bigger seller, but Intel wouldnt be so reticent about its usage? Im mainly saying power usage, but theres a few other things involved as well

But this doesnt change perceptions. I agree with you. Ive been saying all along the Intel has the right to protect its IP, but they simply arent getting it here, by doing all this. And no one is going think theyre being picked on here, like AMD tries to do, and as nVidias CEO has said "nVidia didnt start this", those things start to add up. Its not the facts, which should be held seperate, but its setting a tone, and who wants Intel to mentioned along with Rambus?

Global foundries is a subsidiary of AMD. Due to the way the thing is structured it may or may not be legal under the cross licensing terms with Intel so it will really be up to the courts to interpret the agreement. It's the same kind of thing with NVIDIA, they had a cross licensing agreement and the whole thing is going to come down to how it's interpreted. It's a big mess really.

Thing is, would it hurt Intel that much, and its not going to happen that GF will have the ability or the opportunity to use the x86 IP outside of the agreement anyways, and nVidia? If their chips work, why not give the consumers 2 things Intel? Choice and a vote, as to whose chipsets work best by the best power around, buying power.
I believe most people will see it this way, regardless of peoples ties/likes/relationships here with Intel, and thats not good for Intel, and as Ive said, they just dont get it

i know intel will be fair and nividia will try to pull the "intel is a monopoly thing" - you have to look at the over all company and intel is a good to average corporate citizen. vs nvidia which is cut throat, nvidia was talking the cpu was dead a year or 2 ago - is that a partner? nvidia says intel does not know how to make chipsets is THAT partner?

love amd/ati partnering with intel -- ok my guess:

INTEL WILL MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, A ONE TIME EVENT FOR AMD! INTEL NEEDS AMD AND WE ALL BE HAPPY UNTIL NVIDIA PULLS ITS NEXT STUPID MOVE!

ps: The EU can stick and use via chips and linux!

i know intel will be fair and nividia will try to pull the intel is a monopoly thing - you have to look at the over all company and intel is a good to average corporate citizen. vs nvidia which is cut throat, nvidia was talking the cpu was dead a year or 2 ago - is that a partner? nvidia says intel does not know how to make chipsets is partner?

love amd/ati partnering with intel -- ok my guess:

INTEL WILL MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, A ONE TIME EVENT FOR AMD! INTEL NEEDS AMD AND WE ALL BE HAPPY UNTIL NVIDIA PULLS ITS NEXT STUPID MOVE!

It's all about money! And market share = money. Intel loosing 90% of it's normal yearly earnings http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/15/te [...] 11521Intel profit sinks 90%
Making a bad investment in Clearwire, Intel, which invested $1.6 billion in Clearwire, plans to take a $950 million noncash charge in the fourth quarter because of Clearwire's falling market value. PII sales (sorry haven't seen the numbers as of yet). Nvidia wanting to start making CPUs. And the possibility of a multi-billion fine levied by the EU.
Well you can see going from $110 billion in profits to (est.) 8.2 you can bet Intel is scrabbling to keep there current stock-holders happy.

Oh, I sure that when these agreements were made, that Intel kept their leverage. But you also have to consider, just because you sign a contract, does not make it legal!

My knowledge of the law is somewhat limited, but the fist thing I learned is that you can sue anybody for any reason. You may not win., but in this case (and as we have seen with M$) if you can tie-up your opposition long enough they either go broke or they just fade away.

good read!

i love how nvidia keeps say their valuable patents when they pulled sli!

they (nvidia) are dogs!
of coarse in the old amd wars i signed off as:


IFB Intel #1 fan boy (amd is always #2) < wait is that what idid? pm me what i did!

Intel fan boy #1

Check this out http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/28/ [...] eyond-pcs/

Is this sounding very familiar? Think EU here now

Quote : " Q: Are they offering an outrageously low bundling deal of Atom and Intel’s own chip sets (so that if you buy them together, you get a big discount) that locks out the Ion platform?
A: I’m not an antitrust lawyer. But if you offer a product A and bundle it with a product B and price it in a way that people can’t succeed without the bundle, then that’s a problem. The product bundling prices we have heard from the market seem very alarming. If you buy product A and B, the price is lower than if you bought product A alone. That seems like a weird bundle pricing strategy. (Intel denies this claim) We don’t know anything directly. It’s worth some investigative reporting."

From here http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/28/ [...] eyond-pcs/

intel is no palm

what a scam that was when it was spun off in the tech bubble

Nvidiia buy the platform (atom and chipset) and toss the junk (chipset) and market you revolution (if the nvidia chipset is so much better it wil sell) - stop complaining!

GD2- now that's pretty catchy.
Unfortunately, we as consumers don't always get the best products that invented. We get forced to accept what the big dogs dictate to us. For instance Blue-Ray over Hi-Def DVD. Who's to say which would be better in the long run. But now you as a consumer have no choice. If you went Hi-Def, you might just as well have a Beta-Max for all it's worth.