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Where did Catalyst 8.13 go?

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So 8.12 came out just around Dec 11th 2008 and it brought us some nice improvements. Nvidia has gone as far as releasing a dual chip for 280 with new drivers. What about ATI? We're pretty close to Feb 2009 and so far no 8.13 yet... what's going on?

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murdoc wrote :

So 8.12 came out just around Dec 11th 2008 and it brought us some nice improvements. Nvidia has gone as far as releasing a dual chip for 280 with new drivers. What about ATI? We're pretty close to Feb 2009 and so far no 8.13 yet... what's going on?




It would be 9.1, and it's coming soon.

Reply to Goldsun1715
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yes. cat drivers are defined by (y).(MM)

eg 8.10 is 2008 and the tenth month (october)

Reply to V3NOM
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I looked in the Catalyst history, and this (will be) the latest release in over a year. I worry that they ran into issues as this was supposed to be another miracle driver. Not to mention the holiday vacation in Dec./Jan. Hopefully all of this extra time will result in a much more stable driver (I heard some issues about 8.12, I just stayed with 8.11).

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Reply to EXT64

Actually it's not year and month it's year.release , it just seems like month since they have a release schedule that usually is monthly.

Surprisingly long time for X.1 though, especially considering the issues with 8.12 , but fixing those may be the goal for the new release, the interesting thing will be if they can get it out by month's end or if 9.1 comes in Feb?

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

PS, if you're itchy there's demo drivers you can use at your own risk;

http://wright-pc.com/pyr0/ATI/

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

EXT64 wrote :

I looked in the Catalyst history, and this (will be) the latest release in over a year. I worry that they ran into issues as this was supposed to be another miracle driver.



I don't think miracle drivers, but I think there's 4 stability issues, some random AA issues, and then also the mediocre/crap AVIVO converter output to address, alot of things to improve, hopefully they delay means they're ready to address more than just one issue, but that may be wishful thinking.

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ah ok.. that clears up a lot. I was looking at the pattern in which they release (usually within first 2 weeks of every month) and now we're hitting the 3rd week and still nothing yet so I'm getting a bit anxious :bounce:

Reply to murdoc

TheGreatGrapeApe wrote :

I don't think miracle drivers, but I think there's 4 stability issues, some random AA issues, and then also the mediocre/crap AVIVO converter output to address, alot of things to improve, hopefully they delay means they're ready to address more than just one issue, but that may be wishful thinking.



Plus, improvements in crossfire! There is always room for improvement there.

I'm looking forward to Crysis crossfire gains! But so far it seems I'm aspiring for a distant utopia.

Reply to preyingrazor

Ive heard DX10 in quad opts are being done. They must be having problems, as I thought for sure theyd be out last week

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Reply to jaydeejohn

jaydeejohn wrote :

Ive heard DX10 in quad opts are being done. They must be having problems, as I thought for sure theyd be out last week



DX10 in quad opts? Whats that?

Reply to preyingrazor

What I meant is, we should see quad optimisations in DX10 with these drivers, meaning better quad core threading

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Reply to jaydeejohn

jaydeejohn wrote :

What I meant is, we should see quad optimisations in DX10 with these drivers, meaning better quad core threading



Ah! That would be awesome. I only recently upgraded to a quad core system.

Where did you get the quad optimisations news from?

Reply to preyingrazor

There was beta driver releases where a few sites did some benching on them, and other sources

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Reply to jaydeejohn
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Last week of Jan now... No Drivers on ATI's site when I looked this morning.

Mayhaps they'll be 9.2?

Kind of annoyed, to be honest: Playing with 7 - It doesn't like the beta 8.12 drivers ATI say are supposed to work, and randomly hard locks when gaming. I was holding off on blowing it all out and going with a driver only install of 8.11 (which apparently work fine) on the idea that 9.1 should be out soon.

Ape - Thanks for the link to the beta drivers. I'll have a long think about using them.

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Reply to Scotteq

It should be this Wednesday, ATI confirmed there would be a 9.1, it's just running late.

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preyingrazor wrote :

what GPU are u using scotteq?




a 4870x2


I suspect it's an issue with Catalyst, moreso than the driver itself. No hard evidence, tho - Just what I think. What happens is it randomly hard Locks the computer while gaming, - might be 5 minutes, might be 5 hours - but I have to use the reset button to get it back. And, of course, when you have to do that you don't get a .dmp file to look at.

It's all on a separate drive from my main installation, and it's Beta software after all. And I dutifully reported what I know to MSFT.

It's not a big deal. Just a matter of what I'll do, and when.

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Reply to Scotteq

it could be due to overheating of the GPU too. are u overclocking it by any chance? Use some software that keeps logging ur GPU temperatures and then check the log file after a freeze and restart. If it consistently hangs up at or near the same temperature, then it's a heating problem.

Also try underclocking your card to see if that helps. The 4870x2 is a beast and won't mind a bit.

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:) - I monitor the temps with Everest Ultimate, outputting to a gadget on my secondary monitor. With the fan set at 35%, they never exceed 70c, and the readings are consistent between 7 and Vista. So I can assure you that heat isn't the problem. Good suggestion though. :)

For more detailia: My Win 7 install is on the exact same computer, running the exact same clocks, and the same type/series (Seagate 7200.11. No raid. Just a pair of HDDs) hard drive as Vista 64. The issue doesn't happen under Vista at all. And given that 7 is more... efficient would be a good word since they run roughly the same number of processes... it would be logical to presume Video stress should be a bit less if not equal. But Vista is stable, while 7 locks. From my own troubleshooting, I'm reasonably sure it's a driver/software issue. While I don't have a .dmp to examine for hard evidence, what I've found in Technet and elsewhere tends to confirm. (Stuff like a given game running fine in Windowed mode but not at all on full screen, or fine on one comp yet buggy on another, and other random weirdness. This is besides some Crossfire headaches, and the X2 is basically a crossfire card on one PCB, so...)


For sure, I'd be singing a completely different tune were it all presented as Production Ready, but like I said before - My primary install is on another hard disc. So it's not a big deal, just what happens when playing with Beta Drivers on a Beta OS. Take notes, send them plus whatever data you collect to Microsoft, and keep playing with it.


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Reply to Scotteq

Ah. I figured out your problem: beta OS and beta drivers :P

Reply to preyingrazor

here it is wensday and still nothing

Reply to marshmellow1991

Let's give them till Friday :p

A 9.1 release seems bleaker and bleaker....

Reply to preyingrazor

at this rate it might be worth skipping 9.1 and going 9.2?

Reply to marshmellow1991

That seems to be most likely. Or they might release 9.1 in the first week of feb and then rush 9.2 in the last week.

Reply to preyingrazor
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seems a bit tight if they're going to rush it like that. In this case, I'm not expecting 9.2 to have much improvements over 9.1. I would think of it as "9.15" lol..

 

**EDIT**

 

I TAKE THAT BACK!! IT'S OUT!!! EVERYONE DOWNLOAD NOW!

 

http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx

 

**EDIT#2**

 

ok... well it's still listed as 8.12 on the actual downloads... I'm thinking it will be out tmr... check frequently guys!


Message edited by murdoc on 01-29-2009 at 05:33:54 AM
Reply to murdoc

It's OUT! :D Thanks a bunch Murdoc. I wouldn't have picked that up weren't it for you. Let's make this a regular thread. ;) Cheeers!

Reply to preyingrazor

Still point to 8.12 (at the time of this writing) after you follow the original link.

Front page says 9.1, but takes you to the 8.12 driver packages.

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

True. Keep updating guys.

Reply to preyingrazor
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Although offical links aren't out yet, there are alternatives.

 

here's one

 


http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=286359

 

Credits to Chipsy for the link.

 

**EDIT**
Some users from guru3d are talking about how the supposed new drivers didn't bring any performance increase. They're now suspecting that the drivers they've posted are in fact Candidate Releases so use them at your own risk.


Message edited by murdoc on 01-29-2009 at 03:38:19 PM
Reply to murdoc

yeah, i just fixed a bunch of issues i was having with overclocking my system (CPU and memory) and crossfire with 8.12. I don't want to do it all over again for 9.1 (if I get the problem) so I'll wait for the final release.

Reply to preyingrazor
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here's a look at GTA 4 Performance on 9.1 drivers during a 3 star cop chase.

 

Very stunning!!!

 

ATI 4870 1GB + E8400:

 

Settings:
26, 51,31, 5
Everything at high/very high rendering

 

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e250/md2k6/ATI%204870/Catalyst9_1/GTA4-on-91-drivers.jpg

 

Old driver performance:
Approx 20 fps.


Message edited by murdoc on 01-29-2009 at 04:55:26 PM
Reply to murdoc

And now you're getting 7 fps? :P

Reply to preyingrazor
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alright so I got WS10 error shortly after and I reinstalled the game. I did another benchmark run and it's running at 29.99 fps on the settings of

View Distance: 25
Draw distance: 51
For got what this option was called: 31
For got what this option was called: 5

Everything is on very high or high depending on what I'm allowed to set.

I guess the game is more playable now =)

Reply to murdoc

The links are finally working.

game.amd.com

Reply to preyingrazor
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Hmm.. for some reason the link isn't working on my firefox... not sure what the case is.. but yes the link is working on google chrome.

 

They've also taken notice that on 64bit drivers, AVIVO doesn't use stream to convert videos! Finally they've heard our cries!


Message edited by murdoc on 01-30-2009 at 12:32:45 AM
Reply to murdoc

one word new catalist driver 9.1 i ad all the problems with windows xp .. then vista and allso windows. 7 the new driver came out doday and i am so glad.................. i have been working on the sound for 2 weeks and little sleep.. finaly... its working...

Reply to ungrettir

ungrettir wrote :

i have been working on the sound for 2 weeks and little sleep.. finaly... its working...



haha. i like your dedication.

Reply to preyingrazor
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preyingrazor wrote :

Catalyst 9.2 released.



Thanks for the update!! Great release! Crysis 20% increase and lots of fixes for vista regarding CCC :bounce:

Here's an Alternative link if the official ATI link isn't up yet.


Message edited by murdoc on 02-21-2009 at 06:39:41 PM
Reply to murdoc

yes indeed. i'll test the improvements in crysis and crysis warhead when i get back home!

Psyched!

Reply to preyingrazor
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9.3 isn't worht the upgrade. It's mainly only 1 game which gets most performance increase.

Reply to murdoc

9.5 released. game.amd.com

read this first: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/ [...] ndex8.html

Performance drops are seen with most graphics cards. Especially the 4850. Not sure how crossfire is scaling yet though.

I'd recommend running a few benches with 9.4, installing 9.5, running the same benches and comparing the difference. If 9.5 performs poorly for you, too, then revert to 9.4.

It would be great if everyone shared the benches.

Reply to preyingrazor
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I saw something weird though... 9.4 seem to give me occasional texture corruption in L4D but I haven't had issues like that since 9.5

Reply to murdoc
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