Recently I hooked up my computer to my HT system so I could stream such things as Netflix and Pandora, and of course do some gaming on the big screen. One thing I was expecting was being able to get 5.1 surround when gaming. I'm not
I suspect it's just the Realtek on board audio that isn't able to do this. Maybe somebody confirm or possibly shed some light on the mater.
Here's my setup and what I've tried so far. My complete computer specs are in my profile.
It's an Abit IP35-pro motherboard with a Realtek 7.1 HD audio.
The HD audio is enable in the BIOS.
I have the latest Realtek driver.
My OS is Vista Ultimate 64 bit.
The game I used was COD4 which has an option to send 5.1 audio.
For the Video I have a DVI to HDMI cable going from my 8800GT to my receiver and for the audio I have an optical cable going from the output on the back panel to the input on my receiver. Funny thing is when I play a DVD I get a 5.1 signal. I just tested it with War of the Worlds and my receiver, when set on "auto" was getting an actual DTS input and not PCM. Anyone who has watched this movie on a HT system with a decent sub knows what a good LFE signal can do to your room. Anyway, I was surprised to see the DTS light up on the receiver. I really didn't think it would decode it.
So that's where I get lost.
Is is the hardware? A. The sound card is not compatible with 5.1 audio and gaming.
B. It might do 5.1 gaming, but not through the optical output. Just the speaker outputs.
Or is it the software? The game?
Realtek driver issue?
Vista issue?
I'd really like to get some help before I go and put down the cash on a decent sound card.
Thanks in advance.
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The conclusion is if you want to get the 5.1 audio from the game to a receiver you will have to use the analog speaker outputs. It doesn't get sent through the optical cable. Of course to do this you will also need 5.1 analog inputs on your receiver.
Some soundcards today have DD and DTS live which will only simulate a 5.1 from a 2.0 signal through the optical output.
This info is exclusively for gaming. Most soundcards can decode and pass DD and DTS through the optical cable when playing a DVD on the PC.
I'm still going to poke around a bit. That thread is a little over a year old now. Probably wasting my time though.
Message edited by Flingpoo on 03-29-2009 at 06:48:29 PM
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Reply to Flingpoo
Someone over at AVS responded to a post I made.
Apparently soundcards with DD live will send 5.1 audio from games through the optical output. it's not simulated. Even better if you have a card that does both DD Live and EAX 5.
The question now is does it work with Vista as Vista does not support hardware acceleration like EAX 5. Not sure about DD Live, yet.
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Reply to Flingpoo
Optical output can only carry a few outputs:
Uncompressed 2.0 PCM (up to 192 KHz/Sec)
Dolby Digital 5.1
DTS 5.1
Both DD/DTS requires that your sound system is able to decode the incoming signal for the output to be sent to your speakers, hence why they are generally not used as output. Instead, 2.0 output is generally upscaled to 5.1 using other methods (DTS Neo PC, Dolby Pro Logic, etc).
To get 'true' 5.1, you either need a receiver/speakers than can decode an incoming DD/DTS signal, or connect using HDMI, which can carry 5.1/7.1 as uncompressed PCM, removing the need for a decoder. Alternativly, you can use the older analog connections to hook an individual speaker to an individual sound channel (still the best option for PC's, for the above reasons).
As for gaming, I know the Realtek chipet supports 7.1 audio on most newer boards. CoD will set your speaker setup to whatever setup Windows is set to use. Go to the sound settings tab on the control panel, and make sure the speaker setup is set to 5.1.
Message edited by gamerk316 on 04-01-2009 at 02:01:56 PM
I think I found my answer. Any soundcard with Dolby Live will do what I'm looking for. What Dolby Live does is convert PC audio in things like games into a Dolby signal that will pass 5.1 through the optical cable. It does not upscale or matrix it into a faux 5.1.
The best my on-board audio can do with games and the optical output is a 2.0 stereo output. My receiver has a number of Dolby Pro Logic and other Multi-channel technologies that will only matrix a 5.1 signal from that. Of course movies from DVDs are a different story. The Realtek audio can actually decode and send it as Dolby or DTS 5.1
As you mention with COD and Realtek there is a 5.1 option in both the game and the PC audio console. However this only gets sent to the analog speaker outputs.
In short, my options are buy a 25 foot analog 5.1 audio cable and then plug my computer speakers into the headphone output, or buy a soundcard that supports Dolby Live.
I think I just found a valid excuse to spend more money on my PC.
Message edited by Flingpoo on 04-04-2009 at 08:12:36 PM
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Reply to Flingpoo
This is one of the main reasons I do not upgrade my PC. It is an old orginial Athlon (Barton) on a A7N8X-Deluxe. It supports exactly this! Only NVidia MoBos did this without the need for an expensive sound card. Soundstorm was the technology back then. It amazes me that on computers sound cards went for HD before this.
I would like to know how much time PCs spend playing BDs vs games etc.
Message edited by icstm on 10-05-2009 at 05:25:24 PM
Well, most soundcards have an optical out and support DDL/DTS-C these days; I'd say that a reciever to decode the resulting signal is more expensive then the soundcard...