If and whenn ati falls to nvidia like 3dfx voodoo did

who will replace them? Will Nvidia finally get the much deserved monopoly in the market or will a third challenger step in?

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Surely you jest? Nvidia's going down. Just a matter of time. They bought 3dfx.... now they're following them.

The GPU in the 360 was designed by ATI as was the GPU in the Wii so your claims of Nvidia console superiority are pure BS.

I see Nvidia being absorbed by Intel long before I see ATI being absorbed by them.

"The GPU in the 360 was designed by ATI as was the GPU in the Wii so your claims of Nvidia console superiority are pure BS. "

not the original xbox though.

I love listening to Pershing talk. It's kind of like dreaming about green unicorns.

Yeah, you wouldn't expect someone who only owns a 9500GT to be such an ardent Nvidia fanboy.

Maybe he just has a really bad case of buyer's remorse and denial. I could see it going something like:

"You know, you could have bought a HD4650 for the same price, I saw this benchmark where it's almost twice as fas-"

"NOOOOOO, IT'S NOT TRUE"

"Well I can give you the link if y-"

"ATI MAKES CRAPPY CARDS ANYWAY, NVIDIA 4 LYFE"

"What?"

"I SAW THIS 3D VISION THING THAT ONLY THEY HAVE AND uh... PHYSX, YEAH, ATI HAVE THAT? DIDN'T THINK SO"

I seem to recall that he bought the 9500GT because he needed a low-profile card for his Gateway computer with one of those slim cases and his PSU didn't have enough juice to supply a 9600GT. Unfortunately there is no low-profile version of the 46XX radeons or you can be sure that he would have been steered in that direction by the people here on the forums.

I found out that gateway isnt low profile but that ati's thick a@@ crap I originally bought for it (3870 simply wouldnt fit. All the radeon's on the other hand fit in beautifly, I am glad the radeon didnt fit to tell the truth.

You really need to remove your green-tinted glasses for a moment and take a look at the market as it is now.

Sure, yeah, let's bring in useless things from years ago. Before ATI changed ownership (and probably leadership at least once). Methinks you drink too much tea, Pershing.

Remember, Nvidia doesn't have the excellent technologies like pixel shader 4.1, DX10.1, Crossfire, or Havok. Nvidia can't even use Avivo!!!

Just to name a bunch of useless (as of now) hardware/softwares.

No one could buy nVidia, as surely theyd just change their name before purchase and ask for more money

please explain how they would be in trouble? To tell the truth right now only sony and microsoft are in trouble. Sony is losing grounds on both handhelds and consoles, and this was like their first year at a loss in the video game market in 14 years. And they lay off employees constantly and cant even afford to buy exclusive rights anymore. ANd they lose money off every sp3 sold and hardly ever win it back. Microsoft is also in trouble as the evidence of them losing thousands of jobs to employees recently and how their stock is crashing and how miserably low it is compared to google. I cant wait to see the day bill gates becomes bankrupt or at least starts supporting his business with throwing all that money he has into it rather than his own pocket.

Listen kid, if you don't understand this game and you don't follow the news at all then I suggest you stop trying to play it.

Nvidia is in deep **** right now for an entire large variety of reasons, expect them to be reporting nothing but losses for a while.

I like Nvidia hardware well enough and I buy all my gpus from EVGA because of their support commitments to end users - however don't blind yourself to the facts because you're making yourself look ignorant.

ed: BTW, about Bill Gates - Bill Gates is no longer the CEO of Microsoft, its Steve Ballimer; Bill Gates is a VERY well known filantropist who uses a great degree of his money and time for charity at this point. He also has a trust fund which protects him from basically ever going bankrupt. Freaks like you can hate on Bill Gates all you want but he has done a great deal more for the needy of the world than you ever will.

ATIs problems arent many, AMD has plenty. nVidias problems are : they were using the wrong bump material on their solder ends and in their laptops and some DT models, thereve been high failutre rates. I can show at least 1 person who works in a shop that sees more nVidia cards come back than ATI, and that nVidia used to sell 7/10 units out of this shop, and now its 50/50, and still the failure rate has increased as compared to an earlier time.

Their die is so large, and so complicated, theyve had trouble getting out on time with their 55nm yields, some of these run hot as well, as can be attested to a few on here, they cost too much, they are designed to cost more, with no real world performance returns of being better, having a 512 bus etc vs GDDR5, dont use DX10.1, still use GDDR3, even there shrink is huge die size wise compared to ATI, and cant really sell them for the same amount of money, as they get far fewer chips per wafer than ATI.

Theyve lost credibility with a large portion of their user base, by waiting waaay too long to come with something new, charged and held prices high for far too long, and when they did come in with a new product, it was severly overpriced, and a disappointment to much of their user base.

Theyve lost exsclusivity with pallit xfx and only have EVGA any more as their partners have abandoned them for better sales selling ATI products.

Now, if thats knocking nVidia, if thats painting a doom scenario, Im only saying what it happening with them at this time. I dont want them to go out of business, nor fire people left and right either, but it hasnt been a smooth ride for nVidia, period, and anyone who says different, I have a hard time respecting them, and their knowledge of whats been going on

notice how amd had to buy ati out yet ati still uses their own name on graphic cards, shows the power of nvidia. Took out 3dfx and forced ait to be bought up.

I don't think ATI -had- to be bought up at all. I believe they were doing fine, but AMD found themselves with extra cash and wanted to expand. Neither one -had- to do anything.

Personally, it looks like more of a merger than a buyout.

But you can stop with the "Nvidia is all powerful!" crap. It's stupid. Really. Nvidia's great and all, but they just make video cards, it's not like they found a way to colonize Mars.

Its funny how Pershing said that sony was suffering with the ps3 and thats the only console with nvidia gpu. Bottom line competition is good we need both companies to be in the market.