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January 2, 2009 12:04:46 AM

I'm looking to build a new gaming system. I currently play on a 32" 1280 X 720 T.V. Here is what i am looking to get.

CPU - Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115202

CPU COOLER - Vigor Monsoon III LT Dual 120mm Fan CPU Cooler Socket 1366 Ready - Retail
Item #: N82E16835702007

MOBO - GIGABYTE GA-EX58-DS4 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128366

MEMORY - Patriot Viper 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
Desktop Memory Model PVT33G1333ELK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820220368

PSU - CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready
80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139005

VIDEO CARD - APPHIRE 100260SR Radeon HD 4850 X2 1GB 512-bit (2 x 256-bit) GDDR3
PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102813

CASE - Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129021

DVD BURNER - LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30 - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136152

FAN/TEMP. CONTROLLER - Scythe KM02-BK 5.25" Bay Fan Controller - Retail
Item #: N82E16811998055

Total: $1,426.55 After Tax and Shipping.

I already have a BFG 9800 GTX+ 512MB GFX Card, would SLI'ing this with a secondary 9800 GTX+ Be better than the 4850 X2 GFX Card? and if so, would i need to upgrade my PSU? any other suggestions about my setup would b much appreciated. Im using Vista Ultimate x64.
January 2, 2009 1:54:24 AM

A HD 4850 X2 can beat 9800GTX+ SLI in some games. However, it's pretty close. Since it's cheaper to just add a second 9800GTX+, I think you should just add the second 9800GTX+. Yay, I try to stay neutral, but the fact is I don't get many chances to recommend nVidia these days. Good thing you asked, thanks! :) 

Replace the PSU with a PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W. It's designed by the same guys who designed the 650TX, just as good, more powerful, and for some weird reason it's only $70 these days at newegg.

No idea about the cooler. I've seen reviews of other Monsoon models and they weren't that impressive.

This is the best cooler I know for LGA1366:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8432/cpu-noc-12/Noctua_NH-U12P_SE1366_CPU_Heat_Sink_Socket_LGA_1366.html

January 2, 2009 1:56:44 AM

Two more things:

- good build, in general

- you can use a single 9800GTX+ without any problems in any game for 1280x720. Add the second card only when/if you get yourself a 22" monitor with 1680x1050 or something even better
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January 2, 2009 2:03:10 AM

what about, yes i know cliche, Crysis all the way up with at least 2x anti-aliasing?
January 2, 2009 2:07:35 AM

Give it a try. You can always add the second card or even a third later.

BTW, if you think you'll ever want 3 of those cards, get a bigger PSU, like Corsair 1000HX. But that only if you'll also get a 24" monitor, otherwise it's way overkill.

January 2, 2009 2:14:37 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3340&p=3

Single 9800GTX+, 1280x1024, no AA, Crysis, 41.7 fps. With some AA but only 1280x720, I'd expect something similar. 40 fps is not that bad IMO.

They got 59.5 fps with a 9800GX2 in the same review. That's what you should expect with two 9800GTX+ cards, give or take a few fps.

January 2, 2009 6:41:33 PM

if i were to double up on the 9800GTX+, where would i get the sli bridge, does the one this mobo comes with have to b sli'd with 3 or will it work with just 2?
January 2, 2009 6:53:14 PM

Sorry to throw a wrench in the works, but the GA-EX58-DS4 doesn't support SLI. I just thought I'd let you know before you bought the parts. The GA-EX58-UD5 supports SLI, but costs about $50 more. Not all X58 motherboards support SLI, but they do all support crossfire.
January 3, 2009 2:29:36 AM

i see the SLI Bridge in the pictures of the GA-EX58-UD4P, but does that only connect if you have 3 nVidia GFX Cards, or would it still work if i only have 2?
January 3, 2009 3:06:58 AM

It should work with only two. After all, there are more people with two cards than with 3. But then, I've already assumed once in this thread that Gigabyte did the right thing, and it turned out they didn't. Give them a call.
January 3, 2009 4:05:45 AM

ok. yet AGAIN (i've lost count how many times i've said this.), if you are GAMING, you would get more FPS with better GRAPHICS than better CPU. the i7 will show almost no gaming benefits over a highly clocked C2D (in fact the e8400 can beat the 920 in most games when overclocked) unless you're running an extreme graphics setup which requires a i7 to eliminate the bottleneck a Core 2 would create. save the cash, and spend it on a 4870X2 or a GTX 280 or 295 or SOMETHING. ANYTHING better would give you LOADS more FPS than a better processor.

end of rant. copy pasting this from now on.
January 3, 2009 5:00:55 AM

thanks aevm, thats a good point i think ill call them tomarrow. and for V3NOM, i know what your trying to say, but i also do alot of rendering for school/work. although i would benefit many times over by using a quadro, i also game, and sadly im on a college salary (broke). yes i know a C2D would b better for gaming, but i do both, and would like to have a computer with some of both worlds. thank you though, i understand your feelings on people wanting top of the lines CPU's then using only 10% on gaming.
January 3, 2009 7:15:40 PM

You know, you could also try something with eVGA 750i ($150 IIRC), Q9550 ($300), DDR2-800 (4GB for $50).

- cheaper than the i7 build, almost as good in everything
- still allows adding a second 9800GTX+ if needed
- much better than an E8500 build in quad-friendly apps, almost as good in games.

Or, if you're able to sell the 9800GTX+, you could try something like GA-EP45-UD3P ($117), Q6600, HD 4870 X2. That's basically V3NOM's advice, except with a quad to make those rendering apps happy. If you can get a Q9550 instead of Q6600, even better.


Here's an article that shows how various CPUs do in games. Actually, there are two similar articles, one for GTX 280 and one for HD 4870 X2.
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=775&p=2
Where they say Q9650 at whatever clock just think Q9550 at the same clock - there should be no difference. Where they say E8400 think E8500 at the same clock they used.

January 4, 2009 6:35:52 AM

what about the Q8200 with EVGA 123-YW-E175-A1 with 2 9800GTX+s and using ASUS V-60 and overclocking it to what a qx9770, or close to that?
January 4, 2009 7:13:48 AM

stuff the q8200... Q6600 is better.
January 4, 2009 7:42:31 AM

even though the q6600 is 65nm and the q8200 is 45nm?
January 4, 2009 10:43:47 PM

another question, about the GFX Cards, if i have a BFG 9800 GTX+ and i buy a second one, from say XFX or eVGA, would they conflict, and would having to separate drivers cause a decrease in performance?
January 4, 2009 11:13:40 PM

as long as the clocks and amount of memory are the same it will work.

thing with the Q8200 is it has less cache than the Q6600 and it oc's really crappily. 45nm doesn't justify it unless you're a die hard greenie retard
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