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January 2, 2009 6:43:02 PM

Hello,

I am going to build a new gaming computer. I will be playing WOW and GTA IV on 1920*1200 using vista home premium 64bit. I've done this before, but it has been a while, so I could some advice.

CPU
Intel Core2 Duo E8500 s775 3160MHz ATX boxed CPU BX80570E850

Got the idea for this processor by reading this forum. I guess this won't bottleneck my graphics adapter ?...170 euro

hard disk
Western Digital WD5000CSRTL2 HD/500GB Green PWR SATA 7200rpm 16MB RTL

Just a cheap, bug hard disk. Gives me many gigs, saves me some euros and won't damage my gaming experience, right ?...53 euro

graphics adapter
Sapphire ATI HD4850X2, 2GB DDR3, HDTV, 4xDVI, HDMI, PCIe

This will be good enough to play GTA IV and WOW on medium to high settings, right ?...288 euro

case
Cooler Master Centurion 590 Black noPSU

I like this one for it's price and the possibility to add up to 8 120mm fans...60 euro

All this adds to 571 euro. I would like to keep it below 1000 euro. I allready have a keyboard, mouse, monitor and sound system.

As you can see, there are a few things left. I would like some advice on the PSU, memory and motherboard. I was thinking of buying 4 GB of memory and an Asus motherboard (I have had several Asus boards and till now have been very happy with their quality and service).

Thx in advance for your help.

P.S.: I live in Belgium...sites like newegg aren't an option for me. The site where the links go to is a nice one.

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a b 4 Gaming
January 2, 2009 7:03:30 PM

The GPU you list will play both of those games at max settings, with room left over.

ASUS P5Q-E
This would be a very high quality P45 board, but at a moderate price.

Corsair 800Mhz 1.9V
4GB kit.

Corsair 750W PSU

See my guide linked in my signature if you need more help.
January 2, 2009 7:09:58 PM

Don't have much time to comment now, but if you want to play GTA IV you should definitely get a quad core, since the game can actually use the extra cores.
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January 2, 2009 7:13:56 PM

With competitive pricing I've seen here in the US, I'd suggest you possibly look at the 1TB and 1.5TB hard drives. Some of them really aren't that much more than the standard fare 500GB drives, and you get twice as much room!!

Nice monitor by the way. 1920x1200 should give you smoking graphical details. :)  The HD4850X2 should give you a pretty solid gaming experience too. Keep in mind however, I've heard of poor performance on PC based systems with GTA IV due to game bugs, etc.

For memory. Get at least 4GB of RAM. DDR2-PC6400 (800Mhz) stuff. Try to find something with timings like 4-4-4-12 or close to that.

For power supplies. Being as you'll be running a 4850X2, I'd get yourself something beefy to allow for future upgrades. 750W would be a good minimum, but 850W or higher might be good if you plan to add an additional card.
January 3, 2009 10:41:28 AM

Proximon,

your suggestions are really helpfull. I think I'll go for the ram you suggested. I am still deciding when it comes to the motherboard. That PSU also looks nice as far as I can tell, but why did you recommend Corsair 750W PSU in stead of Corsair CMPSU-850TXEU 850Watt ?

Avenger_K, I think I am really going to stick to the E8500...quad core is just too expensive when choosing comparable clockspeeds. I looked it up...indeed GTA IV seems to prefer the quad core, but still, I just can't offord it...I can allways swap it in a few months if I really end up being unhappy with the processor-power.

jerreece, I won't spend more on the hard disk, cause I have another computer on my network that takes care of holding all my files.

I changed the case to Antec Gamersgear Three hundred. Just for the looks and cause I would never put 8 fans in my case now that I think about it.

January 3, 2009 10:57:56 AM

looks like a very nice system you built there, only changes I would do is dump 8gb ram in it now you have 64bit anyways

also get a 640gb hdd, sure to get newer tech then the 500gb drives (some use old tech, the new tech ones doesn't use the full platters) so either WD or Seagate 640gig drives (I got 3x 640gig Seagates, runs very quite and quite fast, love them, 2 of them run on the nas which sadly doesn't power them down and they run cool and quiet and have been online pretty much since I bought them

well antec 180 case is sweet or if you use a mini-itx mobo get a mini 180 (I got both and they are both great, love the smaller one the most though) it has a 200mm fan in the top of the case and a 120mm fan in the rear, can hear the gfx but only on boot before the software controls the fan (sapphire toxic 4870-512) but other then that the case is silent
January 3, 2009 11:23:23 AM

Godiwa,

thx for your suggestions, but I don't want to spend more on hard disks or a case, cause I am on a budget and that really feels the right place to save some money. I might buy 8gig in stead of 4gig...I'll decide that after I've chosen all the rest.
a b 4 Gaming
January 3, 2009 1:40:50 PM

Those are the same board. I have no idea why one is labeled differently.

As to the PSU, I chose that one because it meets your power requirements and leaves a good margin. If you wanted to add a SECOND 4850X2... I'm not sure it would fit on the board. If it did, you would need a bigger PSU than the 850. Probably the Corsair 1000W.

The Corsair 850 is a great solution if, for instance, you were running two 4870s in crossfire and like a lot of margin... but it's just overkill for the card you have chosen.

Now, if you like the idea of overkill and want to have some extra room just in case you need more power in a few years, by all means get the 850. It's an excellent PSU and it certainly won't harm anything to use it. As I recall the price on your site was similar.

Antec 300 is a fine case. You may want to add a few fans to the front... they can be LED or plain, but should be quiet ones such as Scythe or Noctua make.
January 3, 2009 2:30:34 PM

Little component update:

Motherboard
Asus P5Q-E,s775 ATX,P45.DDR2,2xPCIe,1394 90-MIB4J0-G0EAY00Z
126 euro

Processor
Intel Core2 Duo E8500 s775 3160MHz ATX boxed CPU BX80570E8500
170 euro

Memory
Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 800MHz
44 euro

Graphics adapter
Sapphire ATI HD4850X2, 2GB DDR3, HDTV, 4xDVI, HDMI, PCIe
288 euro

Hard disk
Western Digital Caviar SE 7200rpm 500GB S-ATA 3.5 16MB Cache WD5000AAKS OEM
55 euro

Power supply
Corsair CMPSU-850TXEU 850Watt
114 euro

Case
Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gamer Case no PSU
57 euro

Case fans
3 x Scythe S-FLEX SFF21D 120MM FAN 800RPM
3 x 14 euro

Operating system
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit DVD Engels SP1 OEM
103 euro

Total: 999 euro :sol: 

This way I would have 2 front fans, 1 side fan, 1 top fan and 1 rear fan. Maybe that's not necessary or maybe the side fan wouldn't be good for the airflow. So I might replace one of the antec fans with the scyte side fan and leave the side "unfanned". Any comments on that are welcome.

I also still could go for 8 gig instead of 4...would I notice any difference in WOW or GTA IV ?

Thx again for all the help.



a b 4 Gaming
January 3, 2009 9:16:00 PM

I think you'll need to try the fan thing both ways.

Case manufacturer Lian Li has been talking a lot lately about positive air flow in their cases. They are saying that it's much better to have more intake fans than exhaust, at least on their cases.

I have promoted the idea that case side fans aren't the best idea, in the past. However, a recent review here at TH clearly demonstrated that the Cooler Master HAF is an excellent air cooled case, despite being riddled with extra ventilation holes and fans.

I have also personally watched temps go up, in several different cases over the years, when the side panel was removed.... so at some point more undirected ventilation is bad.

There was some recent test done with 8 GB RAM that demonstrated some improvement in certain games. I do not recall who did the tests. The extra RAM will not improve overall performance, but for some reason that test showed that MINIMUM frame rates were improved.
January 4, 2009 6:06:08 AM

Ok, I'll just try the different fan setups and check temperatures.

I changed my mind about the power supply again. I think I'll get Corsair CMPSU-650TXEU 51,86MB 50,62MHZ. The calculator on www.corsair.com and www.asus.com both say it's ok. And it's on the list of recommended power supplies here. That would save me 30 euro, which I can use for shipping or more ram.
January 4, 2009 7:18:20 AM

yes lian li and silverstone are promoting positive airflow... i think its bs.

try a CM 690 and load it up with fans instead of that 900..
January 4, 2009 7:44:19 AM

I linked the wrong case. It won't let me edit the post, so...

Updated component list:

Motherboard
Asus P5Q-E,s775 ATX,P45.DDR2,2xPCIe,1394 90-MIB4J0-G0EAY00Z
126 euro

Processor
Intel Core2 Duo E8500 s775 3160MHz ATX boxed CPU BX80570E8500
170 euro

Memory
Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 800MHz
44 euro

Graphics adapter
Sapphire ATI HD4850X2, 2GB DDR3, HDTV, 4xDVI, HDMI, PCIe
288 euro

Hard disk
Western Digital Caviar SE 7200rpm 500GB S-ATA 3.5 16MB Cache WD5000AAKS OEM
55 euro

Power supply
Corsair CMPSU-650TXEU 51,86MB 50,62MHZ
84 euro

Case
Antec Gamersgear Three hundred
57 euro

Case fans
3 x Scythe S-FLEX SFF21D 120MM FAN 800RPM
3 x 14 euro

Operating system
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit DVD Engels SP1 OEM
103 euro

Total: 969 euro :sol: 

I am going to stick with this case...5 fans should do it. If I notice I am not happy with the performance I might add some aftermarket cooling in a few months and overclock it a bit, but that's for later.




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