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E7400 or Phenom 8450/8850, which to choose?

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April 1, 2009 3:19:05 PM

I was gonna settle for a E5200 at first, but people here and a friend have persuaded me to step up to and E7400.

However, looking at the prices, seems that the Phenom 8450 and 8850 are cheaper.

which would y'all pick?

My current set up is as follows:
E7400
GA-EP43-US3L
Radeon 4850 512MB
2GB dual channel Kingston RAM DDR2 800 (steep price climb to 1066 so I settled for 800 :(  )

my budget hopefully would be along the lines of 400USD, since I'm not from the US component prices are higher here. Like 30-50% higher, which sucks bigtime.
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April 1, 2009 4:56:34 PM

AMD chips will not fit in your motherboard. So if it's an upgrade you are looking for then add in the cost and hassle of a new mobo and a clean (re)install of your operating system and applications.

If it's a new build from scratch system and those were the only choices presented me, I'd go with the quad (AMD) instead of the Dual (Intel). Brand choice having little/nothing to do with my decision.
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April 1, 2009 5:00:46 PM

it's a new build.
April 1, 2009 5:08:38 PM

The E7400 would overclock very well.
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April 1, 2009 6:16:34 PM

A quick look at the prices - stick with the e5200 or the X2 7750 Kuma. For the AMD motherboards the MA780G-UD3H looks well priced against the GA-EP43-US3L (and has the possibility of a future Crossfire). On the Intel side the Asus P5QL Pro looks well priced.

If you don't want a Crossfire mobo then the MA78GM-US2H will save you some money on the AMD side.

The HD4830 will save you some money and most likely OC close to the level of the HD4850.
April 1, 2009 6:33:46 PM

The Phenom 9650 is only very slightly dearer than the E7400 so unless you are going to be overclocking your new proc i would get the Phenom 9650 which i guess would out perform the E7400 on most things sept maybe energy efficiency & overclocking. You can still overclock the Phenom but not by very much because of heat probs; the E7400 on the other hand should speed up considerably with only slight heat increases.

Hmmm difficult one; i dont think you will be overclocking so get the Phenom 9650 :whistle: 
April 1, 2009 6:49:45 PM

Wisecracker said:
A quick look at the prices - stick with the e5200 or the X2 7750 Kuma. For the AMD motherboards the MA780G-UD3H looks well priced against the GA-EP43-US3L (and has the possibility of a future Crossfire). On the Intel side the Asus P5QL Pro looks well priced.

If you don't want a Crossfire mobo then the MA78GM-US2H will save you some money on the AMD side.

The HD4830 will save you some money and most likely OC close to the level of the HD4850.


read here that the 4830 will be discontinued. I opted for a 4850 so that I could crossfire when the need arises.
reading some articles, in stock speeds the e5200 beats the 7750 Kuma and the tables turn when the e5200 is overclocked as well.

Stiffex said:
The Phenom 9650 is only very slightly dearer than the E7400 so unless you are going to be overclocking your new proc i would get the Phenom 9650 which i guess would out perform the E7400 on most things sept maybe energy efficiency & overclocking. You can still overclock the Phenom but not by very much because of heat probs; the E7400 on the other hand should speed up considerably with only slight heat increases.

Hmmm difficult one; i dont think you will be overclocking so get the Phenom 9650 :whistle: 


since I'm dirt poor and have an extremely tight budget, I can't go quad core.
any ideas on triple core processors?
April 1, 2009 7:30:44 PM

Phenom II X3 720.

Best price/performance processor out there.
April 1, 2009 8:35:51 PM

The Third Level said:
Phenom II X3 720.

Best price/performance processor out there.

that's a little too expensive for me. a lot, actually.



EDIT:
can't beleive I forgot this, but there was an article here TH about the Phenom X3 8450, which what I was eyeing to buy, being slower than a x2 6000 ( http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-athlon,1... )
so maybe I'll stick with dual cores for now. (since quad cores are totally not viable for me)

e5200
e7400
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x2 7550
April 1, 2009 9:00:11 PM

you can crossfire almost any ATI card, so if you get the 4830, you should have no problem crossfiring it in the future with a 4850.
April 1, 2009 9:15:36 PM

Do you plan to upgrade in the next year or so? If you do get the E5200 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

you should see the reviews on this motherboard for overclocking, one of the best budget OC mobos right now.

BTW x2 7750 is bad compared to the E5200 bang for buck

If you do plan to do xfire 4850's I would suggest GA-EP45-UD3P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I also depends on what resolution you play at, anything less than 1920x1080 is normally a waste for xfire/sli.
April 1, 2009 9:35:26 PM

If you are looking to crossfire later on, you will need another motherboard as the one you're looking at does not have multiple full-length PCI-Express slots. When the time comes, you should be able to find a motherboard that supports Crossfire-X which would allow you to use two different models of Radeons (as long as they're both 4xxx).

I don't know how big of a gamer you are, but most time on a computer is spent doing non-gaming tasks (or other tasks + gaming at the same time). Personally, I'd take the savings from the 4830 and stick it into 4gb of memory instead of 2gb. The extra memory will help a lot more that the extra MHz.

So I'd say go with the 4830 for now, and you can always get another 4830 (if you can find one) or 4850 or even 4870 and use it right along with your 4830. Here's a thread from Tom's Forums that talks about Crossfire-X (and 4830s): http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262358-33-crossfire-4...
April 2, 2009 2:41:58 AM

anarchy4sale said:
you can crossfire almost any ATI card, so if you get the 4830, you should have no problem crossfiring it in the future with a 4850.


very well, I'll go with the 4830 and save some money. I also read here that the 4830 with a little bit of OC is on par with a 4850.

macabre215 said:
Do you plan to upgrade in the next year or so? If you do get the E5200 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

you should see the reviews on this motherboard for overclocking, one of the best budget OC mobos right now.

BTW x2 7750 is bad compared to the E5200 bang for buck

If you do plan to do xfire 4850's I would suggest GA-EP45-UD3P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I also depends on what resolution you play at, anything less than 1920x1080 is normally a waste for xfire/sli.


I'll try and get the ES2L, but I've been searching and can't find one. GA-EP45-UD3P is way over my budget.
would the GA-EP43-US3L, GA-G31M-ES2C or the Asus P5QL Pro be a good board?

Pongobongo said:
If you are looking to crossfire later on, you will need another motherboard as the one you're looking at does not have multiple full-length PCI-Express slots. When the time comes, you should be able to find a motherboard that supports Crossfire-X which would allow you to use two different models of Radeons (as long as they're both 4xxx).

I don't know how big of a gamer you are, but most time on a computer is spent doing non-gaming tasks (or other tasks + gaming at the same time). Personally, I'd take the savings from the 4830 and stick it into 4gb of memory instead of 2gb. The extra memory will help a lot more that the extra MHz.

So I'd say go with the 4830 for now, and you can always get another 4830 (if you can find one) or 4850 or even 4870 and use it right along with your 4830. Here's a thread from Tom's Forums that talks about Crossfire-X (and 4830s): http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262358-33-crossfire-4...


very well, I'll go with the 4830 at 512MB and get another 2GB stick of RAM.
April 2, 2009 7:36:12 AM

*bump*

again, I apologize for being impatient. I just want to get this over with and stop pulling my hairs out...
April 2, 2009 10:46:19 AM

I've heard good things of the GA-EP43-DS3L, spec wise they are about the same. Not sure about what Gigabyte's naming scheme means.
April 2, 2009 11:46:07 AM

do you mean the GA-EP43-US3L (which I'm almost sure I want to buy) is similar to the GA-EP43-DS3L?

thoughts from anyone else?
April 2, 2009 2:07:03 PM

bump
April 3, 2009 11:44:41 AM

to my knowledge even the x2 7550 is still only a deactivated quad, hence the L3 cache not found in any athlon. which would run into the same issues as a triple core cessor. Second, a p43 or p45 only runs crossfire at an 8x bandwidthk which would hamper a new card, and slow down even a 4850. ( look at the memory bandwidth , im pulling 76.8Gb/s with my 4850 at 2.4GHz mem ). If u want full pcie x16 2.0 crossfire go with an x48 board. otherwise get a single slot and go for a dual GPU, which then avoids the driver issues ppl run into with crossfire. Third, go for the e7400. I got one as soon as they came out and they run flawlessly. Mine is currently idling at 27*C in a room thats apx 22*C ( 72*F ) at a ridiculous 4.1GHz ( 410 * 10 ) with only 1.36v which is still under what intel says is safe. Ive never seen the cpu go above 60*C.
April 3, 2009 12:07:28 PM

thanks, mcnuggetofdeath.

what you said just solidified my decision to go E7400.

on the board and crossfiring though...
that's not in the range of my budget right now. I'd most definitely crossfire when the need arises and hopefully the 4XXX series prices would go alot :) . So should the mobos'.



I've scoured the net for a review of the GA-EP43-US3L board to no avail. Or maybe I just suck at googling.

comparing them side-by-side at Gigabyte's website, there really is no difference between them specifications-wise.

so, I'm just hoping that someone here has bought this particular motherboard and tell me whether or not they have had bad experiences about it.
April 6, 2009 7:53:43 PM

Key thing to note, you cannot CrossFire (or SLI) on either of the GA-EP43 boards you're considering. They only have 1 PCI-E x16 slot, as do all P43 boards. If you want the potential to CrossFire (or SLI) in the future on an Intel-based motherboard, you have to look to the P45, X48, or X58 chipsets.

Sorry to burst your hopes to eventually CrossFire, but it's just not possible with an Intel P43 chipset.

The GA-EP45-UD3P or GA-EP45T-UD3P from Gigabyte might be alternative solutions. They both support CrossFireX.

Lastly, here in the US the difference in price between DDR2-800 and DDR2-1066 is minimal, if there's any difference at all - Possibly a $5 to $10 difference for the same capacity in both speeds. This may not be true for Kingston specifically, but you don't have to limit yourself to one manufacturer. There are PLENTY of reliable memory makers out there.
April 7, 2009 2:48:16 PM

I know the limitation of the board I chose and my plan is if I do crossfire in the future I'm just gonna buy a new board.

getting a crossfire/sli ready board right now is not within my budget.
April 12, 2009 1:08:12 AM

haha. nope. pentium based. going from a pentium d at 3.8 to a core 2 at 4.1 was HUGE. dont go pentium
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