Well, It's finally time to build a new system.
Right now I've got an old Athlon 1.2gb with 512 DDr on an ECS K7s5A with a 40gb HD and an old ATI All-in-Wonder 4mb video card running XP professional. It's been quite good to me, but now I'd like to do a bit more.
My HD is just about full, so I figure now is a good time.
Really I don't play any of the fancy 3d games or anything like that, so I could easily get away with a lower end cheap build. However, I would like to be able to use the computer as a DVR to record two shows simultaneously. I would then like to be able to use my home wireless network to watch the recorded shows on a TV in another room. (I realize I'll need something to connected to the TV to watch the shows from the computer). I'd also like to be able to do basic web browsing and such while two shows are recording.
I've always leaned towards AMD for processors just because at least in the past you get more bang for your buck. I'd rather not have to upgrade anytime in the near future (like i haven't really had to do in my current computer), so I'm thinking that a quad core phenom would be good. My concern with this is that I can't use DDR3 memory yet. I don't know if it's worth waiting for DDR3 on the Phenoms, or if I should get an Intel chip, or if DDR2 on the Phenom would be fine. I figure a 500-1000gb HD should be fine. I've already got a DVD/CD-r that I could use. I know I'll need a new case and power supply. I've got a good monitor already.
The part I'm having more trouble with is the video card and TV card. It would be nice to have one card take care of it all, but I don't know if there is anything. Also, I'm not quite sure what I'd have to get for the TV in the other room to play the recordings. I know a remote control would be a requirement.
Anyway, I'd like to keep it pretty cheap, yet not have to upgrade anytime soon. Thanks in advance for the advice.
A great guide for a high performance PC, however it appears the OP is looking for a multi-purpose HTPC build, and as such, I suggest you get a motherboard based on either the 780G or 790GX AMD Chipsets. Most of these include an HDMI connector, and the ability to decode HD without invovling the CPU. Lean toward the 790GX if you have plans to include a discreet video card now or in the future.
As for the processor, I would wait a few weeks and see how PhenomII lands, however if this is a 'must build now' I would lean towards a higher clocked X3 or the 7750 X2. The X4 Phenoms are just too slow to count on for lasting the test of time like your current system has.
Also, dont concern yourself with DDR3, for the length of time your gonna go before upgrading again, DDR4 should be all the rage by then anyhow. DDR2 is cheep and plenty fast.
> I'd also like to be able to do basic web browsing and such while two shows are recording.
THE most stable technology presently is the Intel P45 chipset with
a Core 2 duo or Core 2 quad CPU e.g. E8400 thru E8600 (for 2 cores)
and Q6600 on up (4 cores) + at least 4GB of DDR2-800 or DDR2-1066 --
at either stock speeds or mildly over-clocked.
Not only is this technology mature; memory prices are very low right now;
and very good deals can be had on the Q6600. For more money,
Intel's Core 2 quads are now available in 45nm versions, which run cooler
than their predecessors.
Just be fore-warned that the "boxed" versions of Intel's CPU come
with a CPU cooler that has push-pin fasteners with known engineering
defects. So, do consider a quality third-party CPU cooler with a
proper BACKING PLATE (very important issue).
It seems that every week now, for several YEARS, someone complains
here about an Intel CPU that is overheating, and 90% of the time
that overheating is due to push-pins that are failing to grip properly.
Aside from these considerations, a late model case with proper
ventilation is also important, particularly if you decide now or later
to install high-performance video.
We've been posting lots of messages extolling the benefits
of fan grills in the bottom and top panels of newer cases
like the Cooler Master CM 690; other manufacturers are
now starting to catch on e.g. Lian-Li; one even advertises
the "stack effect" of their newest case designs.
Hot air rises, yes?
Last but not least, a good rule of thumb for powers supplies
is to target a steady-state using 50% of rated capacity:
this target will approach maximum efficiency of your PSU.
Corsair consistently sell high-quality units and there are
many others. GIGO (garbage-in, garbage-out).
I'm with you- my home PC is AMD powered, about 7 years old, and I'm ready to replace it.
There are forums specifically for home theater PC's and PDVR's where you can get info on tuner cards and related stuff. There are lots of different ways to connect the TV to the computer, including just plugging the TV into your video card. I haven't thought much about PDVR's lately so I haven't checked to see if Tom's has anything on it, but check this one too:
http://www.byopvr.com/
Personally I'm wrestling with the decision of dualcore vs. quadcore, and how to structure my storage (I would like to implement NAS). Or I might even build 2 machines and run the PVR and NAS functions from one, and let the other one be my desktop.
Thanks for all of your quick replies. It sounds like DDR3 isn't really worth the wait. Also it sounds like I may be better off with Intel, which is fine. I will have to do some more digging around though for the TV card, and method for setting up my TV in the other room. When I finally get off my butt and get this thing moving, I'll probably have more questions and updates.
You should start by reading the guide linked in my signature below.
AMD has not been the best bang for your buck for 3 years.
The other link in my sig will suggest some specific parts.
AMD has always had fantastic (non overclocking) bang for buck.
For instance, AMD's Athlon X2 5000+ ($49) performs better (for the most part) then intel's Pentium E2180 ($68)... and is $20 cheaper. And, AMD's low end chipsets are far superior to Intel's low end chipsets. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813186141 Find something as good as that motherboard (that's not ECS... ECS sucks... bad) for $66...
3 Years ago, AMD 64's were still fantastic values... albeit much slower then the new C2D's they were significantly cheaper.
Ask a CPU question in Intel fanboy forums and you get intel fanboy answers.
Message edited by doomsdaydave11 on 01-05-2009 at 06:33:12 AM
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