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February 3, 2009 3:54:42 AM

Hello everyone, I was wondering if you would all be kinda enough to help with a video card upgrade? I am looking to buy a new video card for my birthday (coming in march but might buy it a little early). I am currently looking at the XFX 9800 gt xxx. This is basically the max I am really willing to pay (160). I am willing to go to and ATI, but I do not know how they stand to be honest (always bought xfx and always had great success with them). Also I am going to be playing a bunch of games on my computer (including games like Fallout 3) and I would like to run them at high or highest settings (atleast better then normal like ive been stuck with all my live...).

My current computer specs=

Motherboard- ASUS M3A78 PRO
CPU- AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2.61GHz
RAM- 2 gigs
Video- ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics (Onboard)
OS- Vista Home Premium


Also I like to buy from both newegg and tigerdirect. Thanks for any help.

Edit - Btw My psu is 580 watt, but does not have any pci-e connectors, and only has 2 free hdd plugs (so the adapter will atleast work), but I could (if push comes to shove) I could get a new psu for 20 bucks.

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a b U Graphics card
February 3, 2009 6:24:20 AM

This card would be a better choice for $10 more. The EVGA 9800GTX+ at $145 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

another card, faster then the 980GTXXX from XFX would be a HD4850 for $125 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

fastest of all would be a HD4870 at $170 after rebate....yes, $10 over your budget of $160.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

of the 3 choices listed above i think the EVGA 9800GTX+ with price, warranty and EVGA support and step up might be you best choice. The MSI 4850 is probably best for a low budget.
February 3, 2009 11:52:47 AM

Well I was looking at the 9800 gtx+, but then after reading the reviews i was kind of turned away....a bunch of ppl reported that the card crashes alot and that evga has poor support (Ive nvr owned one so I personally wouldnt knw). And thanks for your recommendations :) 
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February 3, 2009 12:03:10 PM

Also how good is msi?, I only ask because if the 4850 is rlly worth it, then maybe I should get the xfx 4850 for 165
February 3, 2009 12:43:08 PM

Find a Cheap 1GB HD4870 and you'll be laughing! trust me!
February 3, 2009 12:48:28 PM

I have a his4850 iceq4,believe me its fast
February 4, 2009 9:19:19 AM

well, can anyone with the 4850 tell me how well it runs some games (like fallout3, crysis warhead [2 newest games i have])

Also indicate which one it is (512 or 1 gb)

Thanks I rlly appreciate the help so far (im leaning towards the 4850 :)  )
February 4, 2009 9:46:32 AM

surfer1337dude said:
well, can anyone with the 4850 tell me how well it runs some games (like fallout3, crysis warhead [2 newest games i have])

Also indicate which one it is (512 or 1 gb)

Thanks I rlly appreciate the help so far (im leaning towards the 4850 :)  )

the 4850 is a very good card, but get one with an aftermarket cooler on it, otherwise it will get a bit hot, for me ati has the edge this time
February 4, 2009 9:32:07 PM

Being that you already have an 'amd' motherboard I would recommend an AMD videocard. Updating drivers or reinstalling windows is SOOO much easier with just one driver for everything.
Just browse around www.newegg.com for a good deal. Either company is good, just make sure you get the best 'bang for your buck' Newegg makes it easy to compare prices. i have a 5400x2 and 4850 and am very happy at 1440x900 resolution. Mine's an ASUS and the temps hardly ever go over 60. With a 4870 or similar Nvidia I think you would be VERY happy.. for maybe a year or so :p 
February 4, 2009 10:23:06 PM

Lol.....Hopefully a little longer then a year :-P!....I knw that is kind of a hard thing to say but all I want right now is a video card that can run my games and any future games I get (like over the next year) at highest settings and getting good fps....and then any other games after that so at like high, or medium [normal] settings at good fps...Usually I try to update vid cards like once every 2 years (They are kind of expensive....especially when you have to pay for college).
February 4, 2009 10:28:32 PM

well, my score was 14600 with a SINGLE GTX+SC from evga ... not bad ! (CPU oced to 3.6ghz)



February 4, 2009 10:30:55 PM

@ boulard, Ill be honest....Im not into the whole 3d mark and so on....so i rlly dont even knw wat "scores" mean rlly :-\
February 4, 2009 10:59:22 PM

well, go take a look at TOMS chart. your not looking at the new series so these CHART are ok for you. ( they arnt up to date for new cards )

SUM of in game FPS With AA @1650x1080
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB 512.70
NVIDIA Geforce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB 512.10
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB 441.70


SUM of in game FPS without AA @1650x1080
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB 595.80
NVIDIA Geforce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB 570.40
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB 536.50



Just look.

February 4, 2009 11:03:41 PM

Ok, this does give me a good comparison....But no one has answered my question lol....Which is would the 4850 be able to play games like fallout3 and newer ones at there highest settings? (It is on a 19" screen @ 1440x900). I would like a card that can play games for another 2 years (roughly)
February 5, 2009 12:22:25 AM

2 years !!!! youll need more then 160$ :( 

The 4850 will play Fallout Maxed but not with Full AA.
If you plan to keep it 2yrs, Go for the 4870 or GTX260

If you can put some extra cash, the new GTX285 is awesome. But now we speak about 300-400$ :( 
February 5, 2009 1:34:44 AM

I have a 4850 and can run fallout 3 maxed at 1680x1050. Also can run far cry 2 on ultra high with out AA at that rez as well. Its a great card.
February 5, 2009 2:20:55 AM

Thank you boulard and nitrogen :) 

Ill just get the 4850 and upgrade a little sooner (ill have more money then anyways)....But thank you for all the help everyone [excited to go to ati....been wanting too actually lol]
a b U Graphics card
February 5, 2009 11:54:59 AM

If you are looking for another "cheap" additional upgrade ... get 4GB of RAM and 64 bits version of Vista (upgrade is like 10-15$ I think, if you don't already have the 64 bits version). Some games take lots of RAM ...
February 5, 2009 12:45:53 PM

well as for the vista i can get ultimate 64/32 (full install) for 15 bucks since I am a college student (school book store) so that isnt a problem, it is the ram....I can get 4 gigs for like 30 bucks AFTER rebates but its the fact that I have to pay like 80 first that kinda makes it hard to get WITH the card :-\ but ill see wat happens (finally got a job lest week)
a b U Graphics card
February 5, 2009 1:30:07 PM

It can wait, if you don't experience any big slowdowns you can probably do without.
February 5, 2009 2:26:59 PM

any of the cards you are considering above will likely max out your games at 1440x900. If you plan to get a new monitor soon with higher res then the choice is a little tougher.
a c 192 U Graphics card
February 5, 2009 4:35:25 PM

surfer1337dude said:
Hello everyone...

My current computer specs= ...

Edit - Btw My psu is 580 watt, but does not have any pci-e connectors, and only has 2 free hdd plugs (so the adapter will atleast work), but I could (if push comes to shove) I could get a new psu for 20 bucks.


Uh, NO!
A "580"W PSU with no PCIE power connector is most likely a cheap piece of crap that has no hope of outputing anywhere near its labeled rating. Anything you'd find for $20 is also unfit for use in a computer. Either is just waiting to die, taking as many other components as it can with it.

A quality PSU (Antec, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling, Corsair) will probably cost closer to $60-$80. Newegg often has good deals on one or another of the Antec Earthwatts models; for example until yesterday the 380W one was $35, but it is back up again now.
February 5, 2009 4:51:07 PM

RIGHT, a good PSU is tha BASE of a system. don go for a 30-40$ psu....
Look for WATTS-AMPS@hightemp and Efficiency over 80-85%
February 5, 2009 5:32:07 PM

boulard83 said:
RIGHT, a good PSU is tha BASE of a system. don go for a 30-40$ psu....
Look for WATTS-AMPS@hightemp and Efficiency over 80-85%


agreed

dont go with a cheap psu.
February 5, 2009 7:39:00 PM

sorry to say but there isnt much of a difference....The 20 dollar psu has 2 pci-e just so you knw.....but how psu's work there will not be a difference....It is all just electricty...The only way that the 80 or so psu's can be any better is if it has things like built in surg protectors....which almost all do for just safety reasons....

The proof is that I have always gotten cheaper psus and there has been LESS problems with them then my friends which go out and buy 100+ dollar psu's (ultra's corsairs etc)
February 5, 2009 7:49:06 PM

surfer1337dude said:
sorry to say but there isnt much of a difference....The 20 dollar psu has 2 pci-e just so you knw.....but how psu's work there will not be a difference....It is all just electricty...The only way that the 80 or so psu's can be any better is if it has things like built in surg protectors....which almost all do for just safety reasons....

The proof is that I have always gotten cheaper psus and there has been LESS problems with them then my friends which go out and buy 100+ dollar psu's (ultra's corsairs etc)


I disagree, a better psu (pcp&c,corsair,etc) will usually have a longer longevitiy and work better then some cheap-o psu. Usually a cheap-o psu that is suppose to run lets say, 500watts will only run 430 watts, and also be very inefficient.
February 5, 2009 8:31:10 PM

your completely WRONG surfer ... some PSU deliver like 50-60% efficacity @ xx%load ...

In some reviews (REAL ONE), that REALLY test % efficacity, youll see that in some case the psu is some good at 30-80% load. but under 30% or Over 80-85% it drop, sometime a HUGE drop. lots of CHEAP psu are "good" only in a stated range.

I agree that a 20$ PSU can do it ..... but youll never see one in any of my build. i just buyed a computer for a friend, from scratch. and i took a 50$ PSU. it was for a 400$ TOTAL build ....
a c 192 U Graphics card
February 5, 2009 8:55:53 PM

I have seen components destroyed by cheap PSUs. Go to jonnyguru.com, hardwaresecrets.com, or hardocp.com and read their technical PSU reviews.
If you still buy a cheap one after that, we will all laugh when your system smokes.
February 5, 2009 10:49:39 PM

Cheap 950W
Exemple : Coolmax CUG-950B 950W From Jonnyguru

COOLMAX CUG-950B 950W 219$ on newegg :( 

Just wanna show How a "cheap" psu can perform ...

and now a real cheap one, look at Ebay ... can be buyed for ... under 10$ !!!
Allied AL-D500EXP 500W (under 20$ PSU)


Now something GOOD, IN SALE right now
PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750W Crossfire Edition

Newegg PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W 79$ after MIR !


I just ordered thsi 750 silencer .. ill leave a feedback soon ;) 
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