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We're getting mighty tired of Nvidia's renaming game and the latest card to get a new name is the Geforce 9800 GTX+ which will be getting its name changed to Geforce GTS 250. It seems like the only difference between the two will be a new BIOS which Nvidia will be sending out to its customers in time for mass production.

This "new" card is expected to make an appearance during CeBIT when Nvidia is set to unveil it. Although it's not really much of a product announcement now, is it? Expreview is also suggesting that the good old Geforce 8800GT (also known as the Geforce 9800GT) will get a name change to Geforce GTS 240 at the same time.

We're not sure how long Nvidia is going to keep playing this game, but it doesn't look like the company is ready to release anything new for now. Sure, we're aware of the current economic climate and the fact that Nvidia haven't been doing too well as of recently, but this is just getting plain silly now. Sure, people expect new products every six months from the graphics card companies, but this is their own fault as at the height of the battle between Nvidia and ATI, this was how things were done. Now it seems like both companies have slowed down and prefer to play the renaming game instead of making new cards.



http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&ta...

will they ever come good and will this stop all the muppets from buying off them

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As long as they turn it into a naming scheme that makes sence and then leave it alone then this shouldn't be too bad for consumers in the long run. Although it would suck to have "upgraded" from a 8800GT to a 9800GT and then GTS240
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This just plain isnt fair to your average consumer. I can see it now family in the PC shop and he sales "person" saying yes and it comes with Nvidias latest GTS 240.
Something needs doing, i guess there is no complaints body that could force them to print GTS 240 formerly 9800gtx/+ formerly8800GT. :??: 

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Maybe nVidias CEO has been influenced by the artist formerly known as Prince. This is going to be a pain in the butt if the old cards dont go away fast heheh, not sure Ill be able to help anyone, not knowing which card is which
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Look at it this way: Even if they made a new low end G200 based card, it wouldn't be any better than a 9800GTX+ anyway.

Granted, they need to stick to a naming scheme though...

When I saw nvidia in the tread title along with the member that go by the name ranger I had to enter to see what his complaining bout lol . But I agree with you nvidia is now just plain silly they should create printers just a new name same technology .

Just goes to show you:) 

Research research research:) 

I personally don't walk into a store without knowing what I'm buying. BB sales ppl are idiots anyways haha.

BUt this Nvidia thing made my laugh like crazy, it was in the other thread 2. This is technically a double post. Some1 else got to i before you rangers:D 

Atleast you can't say they don't have midranges in the 200 series:p  LOL!

Though I'm surprised that there is no nm refresh LMAO!!!!!

If you look at this from a business point of view, they should cash in, but as a consumer point of view....well you know:) 

Although honestly if I knew ppl would buy it still, I would do it too...but I would atleast revision it haha:p 

i know what you where going on about, just pulling your leg mate, i think every one on this forum knows im pretty much anti nvidia, but i wouldn't say im pro ATI , if Larrabee is any good i would go for that, i don't base my purchases on speed alone and i know, to some PPL that will probably sound dumb, but i really don't care what PPL think

AMD are at it now renaming a load of 3000 cards to 4000, its in the cat 9.1 ini.

"ATI Radeon HD 4230" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4230 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C0
"ATI Radeon HD 4570 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9598
"ATI Radeon HD 4580" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9598
"ATI Radeon HD 4730 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4730 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4750" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4750 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505

They were obviously feeling left out

djcoolmasterx said:
AMD are at it now renaming a load of 3000 cards to 4000, its in the cat 9.1 ini.

"ATI Radeon HD 4230" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4230 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C0
"ATI Radeon HD 4570 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9598
"ATI Radeon HD 4580" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9598
"ATI Radeon HD 4730 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4730 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4750" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4750 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505

They were obviously feeling left out


This doesn't make much sense, the HD4700 series is supposed to be based on the new RV740 coming out (40nm, 640SPs). The RV630 was only used in the 2600 and 3600 cards and I haven't heard of any future plans for it.

I could see them reusing RV610 though.
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I was going to mention the ATi renaming.

Both are guilty, and it's nothing new from the old days of the MX series cards (and Radeon 9000 series).

BTW, L1qu1d, just FYI, the HD4K design you can thank ATi, AMD had nothing to do with it, the R7xx series was on the boards since 2005 before they were acquired.

Probably the next generation card would be the one that started and finished within AMD (as long as AMD's still there to finish it and ATi's not spun-off again like their other assets).

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
I was going to mention the ATi renaming.

Both are guilty, and it's nothing new from the old days of the MX series cards (and Radeon 9000 series).

BTW, L1qu1d, just FYI, the HD4K design you can thank ATi, AMD had nothing to do with it, the R7xx series was on the boards since 2005 before they were acquired.

Probably the next generation card would be the one that started and finished within AMD (as long as AMD's still there to finish it and ATi's not spun-off again like their other assets).


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't ATI accused of doing this when similar (perhaps even the same) lines appeared in one of the older driver sets from several months ago (Catalyst 8.7 I think)? I believe that the explanation then was that ATI was considering doing this for the Russian and Chinese markets only but then thought better of it and never actually did any rebranding.

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Dude in 20years it'll be simple there'll just be the Intel Extrem Graphics 8800G and it'll be the same one we'd been using for previous 5 years, there won't be anyone else.


and we'll be paying through the nose for it

Just_An_Engineer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't ATI accused of doing this when similar (perhaps even the same) lines appeared in one of the older driver sets from several months ago (Catalyst 8.7 I think)? I believe that the explanation then was that ATI was considering doing this for the Russian and Chinese markets only but then thought better of it and never actually did any rebranding.


yes but this time sites have confirmed it:) 

L1qu1d said:
yes but this time sites have confirmed it:) 


I think this is still the same crap that Fudzilla was screaming about 8 months ago. There were similar lines in one of the older Catalyst driver set (either 8.6 or 8.7) that suggested that certain 4XX0 cards were actually going to be rebranded 3XX0. There was "proof" in the drivers back then too but the actual cards never surfaced so until we actually see the cards being sold I wouldn't call anything confirmed.

this is first I've heard of fud putting this but I might be wrong, like I said, these types of things don't bother me, like they bother you guys.

I read before making a purchase:)  and I kno you guys do 2, so I dunno why your complaining if either company does it:) 
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From another forum, I found out the 9905 is actually a 3870, and since theyre no longer being made, I think FUaD fudded up
"ATI Radeon HD 4230" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4230 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C5
"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_95C0
"ATI Radeon HD 4570 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9598
"ATI Radeon HD 4580" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9598
"ATI Radeon HD 4730 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4730 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4750" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505
"ATI Radeon HD 4750 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002& DEV_9505

most of the name convention criticisms come from people who would never buy from Nvidia in the first place. on the subject of misleading naming conventions.. the P2's have a naming convention very similar to the i7's. isn't that just an outrage?

different sins but marketing sins none the less. to someone that doesn't research their purchase (shame on them) they could buy a rebranded g92 thinking they got new tech. very similarly, the same dolt could very likely buy his new P2 looking at name similarity thinking they got the AMD equivalent of the i7 for a bargain only to find out later its a different product tier entirely. no compassion from me for either stupid purchase to be honest. auto makers move a side marker light and put a different grill mesh in a car and announce it as "the new model". same thing and probably the same crowd falling for it.
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