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February 7, 2009 6:14:50 PM

I have a ASUS p5w-dh delux Mobo

- Intel® Quad-core CPU Ready
- LGA775 socket for Intel Core2 Duo, Core2 Extreme
- Intel 975X +Intel ICH7R 1066/800MHz
- Dual-channel DDR2 800/667/ 533 max 8GB
- 2 x PCI-E x 16 / 2 x PCI-E x 1/ 3 x PCI
- Support ATI CrossFire graphics cards




and i have 4 gigs ram with vista 64 bit with an 8800gtx grfx card,

i am looking for a better gpu. As my Mobo only has pci-e x 16 and not the new pci 2.0 i cant do the gforce 200 serires.

So what are my options? Go with a GeForce 9800 GX2 that has been discontuned and not suported or what?

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February 7, 2009 6:16:58 PM

2.0 is backwards compatible.

What resolution?
February 7, 2009 6:29:39 PM

right now i play wow with 1152 x 864 with all settings on high and it plays nice. o and forgot price range im looking for options from $200 - $500 as this is a hard core gaming comp i dont need to go cheap.
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February 7, 2009 6:38:00 PM

theAnimal said:
2.0 is backwards compatible.

What resolution?



so are you saying i can put a pci- 2.0 card into a pci-e x 16 slot and get same power from it?


the mobo says its ait crosfire suported so im taking it i can put in an ati card? I have never used ati i have been an nivida user for yeares and years. Whats my options there?

February 7, 2009 6:44:45 PM

Yes, you can put a new 2.0 graphics card in your board and it'll work just fine. Numerous sites have tested the differences between the old x16 and the new 2.0 standard and found at most a 5% difference. Usually less.

As for which graphics card to upgrade to.. I can't really say you're really going to see much of an improvement from ANY card in most circumstances. The resolution you're running is quite low, about the eq. of 720p.
February 7, 2009 6:55:41 PM

i suggest u go for 4870 1GB as u not Playing over 1152 x 864 .
at that res 4870 1GB will be enough for u at less 2 years from now .
u can find it around 225$ ~270$..

February 7, 2009 7:00:18 PM

i can change my rez to most anything really. atm im only playing WOW but am gona go back to crysys and bf2 soon. What kind os rez should i use? the numbers i gave are the games settings is that what we talkign about or somethign else? Want to make sure we on same page.

a c 191 U Graphics card
February 7, 2009 7:00:46 PM

A faster card would most likely be CPU bound (limited by the CPU speed) at your current resoloution, so unless the card is failing, or plan on getting a bigger display, stay where you are.
And, much as it pains me as an ATI user to type this; If you`re using WOW stick with Nvidia.
a c 191 U Graphics card
February 7, 2009 7:02:06 PM

OK, I need to type faster.
What is the maximum resoloution of your display?
February 7, 2009 7:07:42 PM

salem80 said:
i suggest u go for 4870 1GB as u not Playing over 1152 x 864 .
at that res 4870 1GB will be enough for u at less 2 years from now .
u can find it around 225$ ~270$..



How can you predict the market like? What if all games choose to use the Crytek engine? Or another demanding engine? 2 years is a long time. Just because it happened with the 8800 GTX doesn't mean its going to happen with the new cards. You can't predict it that simply.

A 4870 1 gig would be a safe haven, but you can't expect to max out all settings for 4 years. I mean look at the 280 GTX. It has trouble with a game as simple as stalker. Pushing like 30-40 frames....

We still don't have a card that can keep Crysis playing as smoother as butter, even at 1280x1024. On very high with out AA. You'll always have those 20 fps dips, even though the avg might be high.

I do second a 4870 1 gig purchase since you can find it soo cheap, but I wouldn't go as far as predicting the year.

P.S

though the resolution is really low, and 1 gig seems like overdoing it, trust me it won't as textures become more detailed and AA becomes hard to output;)
February 7, 2009 7:16:36 PM

Ok i set it to maxx for the game. 1280 x 1024 24bit color 24 bit depth 8x multyshading. im getting around 50 fps in full screen mode in window mode im get around 30 fps. forgot to change to maxx before starting topic my bad.

February 7, 2009 7:20:49 PM

Really i dont have a bad card. Im just looking for upgrade options. Im looking at installing this gpu into wifes comp and getting a new one for my self.
February 7, 2009 7:21:58 PM

why go for Nvidia when your motherboard support crossfire? lol:p 

Unless you want to stay with single GPU, which some ppl prefer. If I had a an ATi motherboard I'd buy ATi (unless the company had crap cards out) and the same thing for Nvidia.

:) 
February 7, 2009 7:25:59 PM

Thats what im wanting to know right there. As i have only used nivida in the past i have allways used them. I know them and trust them. So can i get a better nivida card or should i go with an ati card? If i go ati should i go with crossfire and get 2 cards or not? The mobo it self works with both ati and nivida cards.
when i built this thing the 8800gtx was the top card out thats why i went with it. same for the ram and cpu. i only got the best of the best of the time except for the cpu i could of got the quad but it was liek 2k at the time vrs 600 for a dual.
February 7, 2009 7:33:34 PM

well the top card now is the 285 GTX. THe top dual GPU card is the 295 GTX, Judging by your system I would go MAX 1 4870 X2, and at the resolution you play at, I wouldn't be crazy enough to recommend it unless you love seeing the hundreds.

I would go wit 4850 or 4870, or even the 4850 X2 would be a good choice, though I don't beleive its supported by ATI, as its a Saphire exclusive (don't quote me on that).

I would do a 4870 1 gig, that way you have top of the line from ati (with out stepping into the dual GPU yet).

Or if you really want to play it safe with your cash for now, grab a 1 gig 4850 if you can and wait and see how the market shifts. Though the GDDR3 doesn't do justice for the 4850 1 gig version.

I think more ppl will agree with me and tell you to go ATI. I would stick to a 4850 or 4870 :) 

Cheers.

BTW

Post your CPU specs.
February 7, 2009 7:41:26 PM

here is my cpu-z link

and a side note im running liquid cooled case with upgraded pump

Yea im reading abotu the 295 and finding that you can not play wow with it. There is somethign about the dual procsers it dont like at all.
February 7, 2009 7:47:28 PM

Ok i have looked at the 4870 1 gig and the core and mem speeds are both faster then the 8800gtx i have. What would be the realistic advantages of goign with a 2 gig mem card?
February 7, 2009 7:52:15 PM

ok i see that to get the 2 gig mem we are steping intot the dual gpu agin that my game will not suport. so maby the 4870 1 gig is my best choise. and its 1/2 the price i was willing to spend. Is there a even bigger one then that wile staying with in the 1 cpu range? also what about running 2 cards as i have that ablity? can i get more out of 2 cheaper cards then just 1 4870?
February 7, 2009 8:47:28 PM

you can, but its not really futureproofing, since your already running into whats supposed to be the extended life of the card.

Sli and Crossfire was meant to extend the life, not to make it its life...so I dunno what these stupid dual GPU cards came out:p .

I would go with 1 4870 1 gig. GDDR5, 55 nm technology and DX 10.1. Also can oc really well.

I would suggest grabbing the ICEQ versions.:) 
February 7, 2009 9:15:57 PM

ok thanks, that was my next question what brand to get. mow the question is to water cool or not? As water cooling will more then likly void any warenty. Then agin maby do it after the warenty is gone? Thoughts?
February 7, 2009 10:24:50 PM

ptcrash3814 said:
ok thanks, that was my next question what brand to get. mow the question is to water cool or not? As water cooling will more then likly void any warenty. Then agin maby do it after the warenty is gone? Thoughts?


I think XFX allows you to change the cooling, plus they have a double lifetime warranty.
February 8, 2009 7:11:08 AM

BTW, just be aware that your MoBo does not in fact support Quad-core. I know, I know, the Asus website says it does, but believe me (having bought a quad - Q9550) I couldn't get it to work. After much searching on the web, I found that the issue is that the fsb on the mobo can't keep up with the cpu requirements.

As luck would have it, the wife unplugged the computer and the psu and mobo took some damage. Enter stage left a new mobo and a GTX295 - because the opportunity presented itself. I have to say though the this is pure extravagence. The P5W DH with a 8800 GTX is pretty good.

Whilst I'm always keen to get the latest thing (though I didn't go for Core i7), you really do have a pretty good system already. Consider a "cheap" replacement for her computer, you keep the 8800 GTX and buy some flowers - noting of course that you're saving the money for another day (get that marker down). Then when yours does become tired, hit the big time again.....

Also \, like you I'm an NVidia man. I did have an ATI way back but didn't like the drivers - can't remember which card but it was years ago. I think it is fair to say that both are good and it really comes down to what you're used to.

Just a few thoughts.

Good luck.
February 10, 2009 10:01:54 PM

WigitWarrior said:
BTW, just be aware that your MoBo does not in fact support Quad-core. I know, I know, the Asus website says it does, but believe me (having bought a quad - Q9550) I couldn't get it to work. After much searching on the web, I found that the issue is that the fsb on the mobo can't keep up with the cpu requirements.
.

Q9550 wasn't work because u don't update the BIOS :sarcastic: 
just take look n ASUS website again
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=119...
u can latest one here same thing to ptcrash3814
http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguag...

http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLan...

:hello: 
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2009 12:54:17 AM

If you want one with a strong stock cooler go with a Sapphire (4870). Mine stays at 30-35c idle and 45-55c load, (depending on the game) overclocked to 785/1000, fan on 40%.
February 11, 2009 2:17:42 AM

L1qu1d said:
I really want to see these 30 degree idle video cards:p  haven't seen 1 to date:)  On air that is:D 

This is one of the better 4870 cooled cards :http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-4870-iceq4-tur... and it only manages 45 degrees:S

Which Saphire 4870 do you have?



My 4870 is currently idling at 32 degrees... weird. Actually I've never turned the Fan above 35% and even OC'd it doesn't heat up much.

Problem is it can't run Fallout 3 and several other games to my expectations!
February 11, 2009 2:57:28 AM

u still didn't answer my question which Sapphire do you have? :) 
February 11, 2009 3:41:31 AM

L1qu1d said:
u still didn't answer my question which Sapphire do you have? :) 


Sorry, it's the old reference design. Right now my fan is set to 25% and I'm at 41 degrees while watching a movie.
February 11, 2009 10:44:32 AM

1 gig reference? old 1? is their anyway you can screen shot gpuz + gpuz sensor idle?

Sorry its just that the reference 4870 always ran around 50 degrees idle, which kinda shocks me. My friend has a 4870 512 reference and my cousin has a 4870 1 gig both of which are reference sapphire, and none of which run that cold:S

Screentshot the GPUz plz I'm really curious:D 
February 11, 2009 11:52:45 AM

I suggest you wait until the next generation of GPU's are released. I'm using a 8800gts (g92) 512mb OC 770/1008/1848 and i'm able to play most of the latest games on max or high quality at 1920x1200. The 8800gtx outperforms my card and your running at a lower resolution. Until your unable to play the games to your liking, theres really no need to upgrade.
February 11, 2009 11:39:49 PM

^^+1
February 11, 2009 11:47:22 PM

I'd have to agree with mrbumbum here. The 8800GTX still does phenomenally well in most games nowadays (bar maxing Crysis, Warhead, GTA IV and possibly STALKER: Clear Skies, obviously) and anything else at your 1280x1024 resolution is overkill.

Why not spend the money on a bigger and better monitor? 22" monitors (1680x1050) are somewhere between $150-200 nowadays, and you can occasionally find a 24" (1920x1200) for not too much more than $250. The 8800GTX should do just fine at those resolutions as well, barring the few games I've previously mentioned.
February 12, 2009 12:11:26 AM

ptcrash3814 said:
ok thanks, that was my next question what brand to get. mow the question is to water cool or not? As water cooling will more then likly void any warenty. Then agin maby do it after the warenty is gone? Thoughts?


Different manufacturers are making some nice cooling units for their cards, Asus' "Dark Knight" line of cards, for example. Die shrinks are also good for producing less heat.

I have an Asus 9800GTX+ DK on an E6600 C2D. A die shrunk 9800GTX (55nm). It idles at 44, and I've never seen it go above 60 on 3D Mark (+ 3K over 7950GX2), BF2.

No matter which card you choose, there is lots to consider aside of price. I wish I would've considered cooling more on that 7950GX2 egg fryer. Oh, well. :hello: 
February 12, 2009 12:49:05 AM

8800GTX? For that resolution spells overkill.
Runs all new games well at that resolution.
Upgrading to a 4870 won't see a lot of performance increase(but may help save some money on bills.)
I'd rather wait for some great leap if I were you.
February 13, 2009 2:44:36 PM

As others have said, at the resolution you are playing at an 8800GTX is more than adequate, and you may well have a CPU bottleneck too.

I run a 8800GTS 512 and play at 1280 x 1024 and I'm not even considering an upgrade until 40nm cards are out and established, and probably not even until DX11 cards come out.
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