Phenom X3 8650 + Patriot Viper DDR2 1066mhz

[Rickymon]

Hi Everyone

Before upgrading any hardware I want to get the best out of my current gear.

A good old Gigabyte Mobo

GA-MA78GM-US2H

Phenom X3 8650 2.3 Ghz @2.3 Ghz (Duh...!)

PATRIOT VIPER II 4GB 2X2GB DDR2 1066 2X2GB CAS 5-5-5

Asus Silent Knight Cooler.

On Board HD3200 Ati radeon (Sucking 512 MB of ram)

Windows XP 64 Bits (Big Mouse build)

Issues:

Before upgrading the ram had DDR2 800mhz and got 2.8ghz running stable

Multi 11.5
Ram at : X4
FSB between 252 to 254
HT:1800

After installing those rams, its imposible for me to overclocking anything at x5
and dont feel like decreasing the ram speed, otherwise what is the point on gettin faster ram...?

Cant upgrade BIOS running Win XP 64 (Bummer...!)

AMD Overdrive sucks....! It freezes all the time after I changed the rams.

Any suggestions?

 

[loneninja]

Outside of throwing more volts at your ram, or dropping the multiplier down, I've got none. I did my AM2+ overclocks using DDR2 1066 ram and setting it to DDR2 800 so it still ran within spec so I could get the processor clocked higher.

 

[Rickymon]

Gosh...

Didnt try that.
Will try on weekend and see what happens

I just feel stupid spending a hundred bucks in RAM that will be run slower.
However it could run faster than a DDR2 800 Overclocked.

I wish I knew better

Thanx for ur feedback.

 

[nforce4max]

Don't worry just raising the base clock will nuke your ram any way (trust me I got dead stick to prove it). Be sure that your ram is cool and only getting enough volts just enough to remain stable and be on top of the timings.

 

[JofaMang]

The ram will run at its rated speed regardless of multiplier:

x5.33 @ 200fsb = 1066
x4.00 @ 266fsb = 1064mhz

and so on.

Therefore, buying faster ram (1066 vs 800) will still give you more room to run the ram at higher frequencies via higher FSB. 1066DDR2 ram is really just highly rated 800mhz memory. Motherboards will usually default to 800mhz multiplier and voltages with 1066 installed. You will have to manually adjust the voltages as well as the timings to match the effective memory speed (x4.00 x250fsb for example is effective 1000mhz, even though running on the 800mhz multi).

 

[Rickymon]

Don't worry just raising the base clock will nuke your ram any way (trust me I got dead stick to prove it). Be sure that your ram is cool and only getting enough volts just enough to remain stable and be on top of the timings.

Hey I tried that last nite, +0.30v
and the system recognized it as 800mhz

Perhaps I need to tweak this and another option besides this one.

These are my old an new settings,
So u guys can tell me what Im doing wrong.

Thanks a lot...!

 

[Rickymon]

The ram will run at its rated speed regardless of multiplier:

x5.33 @ 200fsb = 1066
x4.00 @ 266fsb = 1064mhz

and so on.

Therefore, buying faster ram (1066 vs 800) will still give you more room to run the ram at higher frequencies via higher FSB. 1066DDR2 ram is really just highly rated 800mhz memory. Motherboards will usually default to 800mhz multiplier and voltages with 1066 installed. You will have to manually adjust the voltages as well as the timings to match the effective memory speed (x4.00 x250fsb for example is effective 1000mhz, even though running on the 800mhz multi).

Thank you guys for ur support
Last nite a tried to increase the voltage (+0.300 V)
Then boot and the system recognized it as 800 mhz again.

I think part of my stupidness are the names Gigabyte puts to all these parameters in my BIOS

So I will give you my past and current MOBO settings

check my settings in my last post..

I wish u guys can tell me what im doing wrong.

 

[nforce4max]

Do you have cpuz? If not get it and take some screen shots. Print screen and crtl v and save in paint then upload.

 

[Rickymon]

Do you have cpuz? If not get it and take some screen shots. Print screen and crtl v and save in paint then upload.

Yeah nForce I do have CPU Z and coretemp, i will upload couple of screenshots memory and cpu...

I just realized through CPUZ that my ram is running at 1.8 while the specs are 2.1 so I think it will be nice to have them running at +0.30v

And today Ill try Jofaman sugestion lower to x4 and raise to 266???
thats a lot

Would i need to increase CPU Volt too?
What about North and south bridges?

Another thing i need to know about is that 3DMark Vantage, do i need to isntall it?
what is it good for??? it comes with the ram and it seems i have a free license to use it

Thanks guys

 

[nforce4max]

The north and south bridge usually don't need a boost till they are over 300mhz which is rare. As for the ram go ahead. As for the cpu keep it low as possible but stable enough to handle temps.

 

[Rickymon]

The north and south bridge usually don't need a boost till they are over 300mhz which is rare. As for the ram go ahead. As for the cpu keep it low as possible but stable enough to handle temps.

Okay I managed to reduce to x4 and increase processor up to 245 (it doesnt let me go higher than 248)
tried changing HT Link, and Ram Volts, but the same, it doesnt work, and beeps and stuff

Will see how stable is with these settings

but yet ram is not running at 1066 (or 533 on CPUZ), anyway time to bed now

Thanks as usual....

 

[nforce4max]

OK set your ram to unganged mode and set the clock mult (ram to fsb ratio) lower so the ram isn't at such high clocks. By the way why in hell are you running your ram in single channel?

 

[nforce4max]

 

[Rickymon]

Okay I have reached a new degree in dumbness...!

I thought I had them in dual channel, anyway its fixed now.

Tried to Ram Clock Ratio even to x3 and raise the FSB

Didnt work very well, so I put it back to x4 at 245 FSB and Im gettin these results
CPU 2.8Ghz and Ram 980mhz

However everytime the system boots up the BIOS tells me: 800mhz Ungaged....!
I dont know if its matter

When u ask me to lower the CPU
I believe u are talking about the CPU Clock Ratio, right?
Now it is at 11.5, perhaps to 10.5 or so????

 

[nforce4max]

Try setting the ram into 667 mode and that should lower the clocks into something that is in a more stable range. Physically check to see how hot the NB is getting and load pcwizard to get an estimate of cpu power consumption.

 

[Rickymon]

Try setting the ram into 667 mode and that should lower the clocks into something that is in a more stable range. Physically check to see how hot the NB is getting and load pcwizard to get an estimate of cpu power consumption.

Okay

Did what u said, put the RAM at 667 (3.33x) and started to raise cpu from there, but BIOS still doesnt let me get above 245.

I feel like upgrading Processor anyway. I heard my MOBO supports even the latest Phenom X6 1090t
Of course any other cool processor would be limited by some old features of this MOBO

I wonder how cool is to work on a 4ghz OC processor.

 

[nforce4max]

Hmm try 533 then but if the same results go back to ware you first had it so long it is stable. These older 65nm phenoms weren't know to be great overclockers.

 

[Rickymon]

Hmm try 533 then but if the same results go back to ware you first had it so long it is stable. These older 65nm phenoms weren't know to be great overclockers.

I already tried that, so unless im missing something else
thats it....!
I imagine that 2.8ghz out of 2.3ghz is not bad after all.

Just thought that the Rams would improve what I had.
But thats life...

Going back to work.....

Thanks for all...

 

[nforce4max]

NP I to had a little disappointment with mine but at least it doesn't use as much power as the others being a 65w stock instead of 95w.

 

[Rickymon]

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