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January 14, 2009 3:29:13 AM

I have never posted before or built a computer....is this a good choice for $400?. Please help!


Look below on the post wall for Case and PSU...................................................................



Motherboard:

BIOSTAR TFORCE TA790GX A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813138128



CPU:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 2.7GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core black edition Processor Model AD775ZWCGHBOX - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103300



Memory:

(2 of these ) Kingston HyperX 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KHX8500D2/1GR - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820104012



Video Card:

ASUS EAH4670/DI/512M/A Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121274


Hard Drive:

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136161



Total before shipping and tax: $399.94

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January 14, 2009 3:38:45 AM

May want get a bit better power supply as rosewill is not known as being the best quality.
January 14, 2009 3:41:57 AM

ok...that would mean a diffrent case...but I think I can find a good one at Newegg...Thanks!
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January 14, 2009 3:58:43 AM

Actually you would not need a different case, as you could just buy the PSU seperate. Usually something from companies like Antec, Corsair, Silverstone, FSP, or BFG to name a few, will be pretty decent. Just remember, the main thing you are going to want to look at in a PSU is the amps on the 12v+ rail. Like the Raidmax shows 21. Kinda iffy, not great, but I've seen worse.

For example, look at this power supply. It's a 350 watt, but has 2 12v+ rails, one at 18 amps, one at 16 amps. Clearly a lot stronger than the raidmax. See the difference? Wattage is not so much the key as is the amperage. That said, you probably don't need to go too overboard as the bigger power supplies are mainly for better video cards. And the 4670 is not really a power hungry card. So in all actuality the raidmax supply may run it, no guarantees of course, but if you want to upgrade later to a better card, you may get stuck upgrading the power supply as well as the card.
January 14, 2009 1:09:16 PM

Thanks! you are very helpful! I think I will get another power supply with the same case...I should be able to fit it in my budget! thanks again!
January 14, 2009 4:31:32 PM

Is it a good case and psu?
January 14, 2009 5:02:14 PM

Actually the psu in the new case looks like the same one you listed above. Again, look at the amperages on the power supplies. If they don't list it in the specs, usually if you click on the pictures, you can see well enough to read it on the stickers stuck to the power supply when its in the case.
January 14, 2009 6:12:38 PM

ok thanks!
January 14, 2009 6:32:52 PM

RaidMAX PSUs are known to be crap. I thought that video of four of their "500W" models flaming out when loaded to only 375W was particularly humorous. It won't be so funny if such a unit fries your new PC.

I just bought a $38 Seasonic 300W PSU, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... It has no PCIe power connector, which a 4670 doesn't need. It has Active PFC, and is 80+ certified. It's running a 780V-based system that won't be used for more than casual games.
January 14, 2009 8:03:49 PM

"It has Active PFC, and is 80+ certified"

If you can find a PSU that has both of those, it is likely at least "OK".
Of Course Seasonic is a good brand who will not put out a bad PSU.

January 14, 2009 10:36:43 PM

If this computer is for gaming, I would stretch the budget for a 4830 (+20-30$) or a 4850 (+65$).
January 15, 2009 1:05:23 AM

See, to the original poster and every other noob:

Post your budget, the components you need, the components you already have and the PURPOSE of the build (ie. gaming, editing, etc.).
January 15, 2009 1:33:26 AM

It will be for casual gaming and programming and surfing the web....thanks for the PSU suggestion I will look into it and get back with ya'll
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January 15, 2009 2:30:57 AM

the current Newegg email salesheet has codes for further discounts on some PSU's and Case. 2 minutes ago I ordered the Antec 900 case for $79.99!!! You probably get the Newegg email notices - they are full of discount codes! The current one is one of the best ever (I have no relation to them other than giving them lots of my hard-earned money lol)
January 15, 2009 11:20:15 AM

micahjamesmesser said:
It will be for casual gaming and programming and surfing the web....thanks for the PSU suggestion I will look into it and get back with ya'll
What is "casual gaming" to you? Some people use the term "casual", simply because they don't play that many games or don't spend 20hrs a week gaming. No matter your gaming lifestyle, what is important is the games you play; Crysis won't play better on your 4670 just because you play 3 hours a week :p .
January 15, 2009 1:19:06 PM

Dont forget that an AMD black edition cpu doesnt come with a heatsink-fan.
January 15, 2009 3:03:02 PM

I built a system for someone recently using this
and this. Solid PSU and decent quality case, all for $50.
January 15, 2009 3:40:31 PM

no but that 7750 does come with a cooler...check newegg reviews of customers
January 15, 2009 3:44:22 PM

so should I get a Heat sink or not?
January 15, 2009 3:58:18 PM

Ok here is my updated build with Heat sink.



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Case:

COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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PSU:

FSP Group SAGA+ 450R 450W ATX12V Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

____________________________________________________________

MotherBoard:

ECS A780GM-A AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

____________________________________________________________

Video Card:

ASUS EAH4670/DI/512M/A Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

____________________________________________________________

Hard Drive:

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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CPU:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core black edition Processor Model AD775ZWCGHBOX - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

____________________________________________________________

Memory:

( 2 ) Kingston HyperX 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KHX8500D2/1GR - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

____________________________________________________________

Heat Sink:

ARCTIC COOLING ACF64LP 60mm CPU Cooler for low profile PC - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
____________________________________________________________
January 15, 2009 4:09:23 PM

You can do much better than that for $400, as I did recently.
First off forget AMD, for a budget build like this what you want is an e5200. Overclocks 33-50% easily on stock cooling and has double the cache of the one you are looking on top of simply being faster. It costs $82.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

An acceptable p45 motherboard can be had for about $80 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157135

Ram is dirt cheap. Not getting 4 gigs is just pointless. 2x2gigs of nice ddr2-800 can be found for $20-25 after rebate on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199

What's with the 250 gig HD? For a few dollars more you can double the size.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145215

That about $250 and covers everything besides case/psu and the video card. There's an HD4830 for $90 after $10 rebate and free shipping on newegg right now. It's the best deal in your price range.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102803

You've got a case already right? The remaining $50-60 should get you a fine PSU that will handle that system easily.
January 15, 2009 4:17:16 PM

That case is fine for a budget build. You might want a bit more power than 350 watts to power an HD4830 though.
January 15, 2009 4:24:44 PM

jyjjy said:
That case is fine for a budget build. You might want a bit more power than 350 watts to power an HD4830 though.


I didn't see that you had changed your video card. I think 350 would work with the 4830 but the psu I listed doesn't have a pci-e 6 pin connector so I would suggest something different.
January 15, 2009 4:44:09 PM

He didn't change it. I suggested the HD4830 because it's much better than the HD4670 for only $20 more.
Btw I didn't realize that AMD chip was a black edition with 2 megs of L2 cache so it's not as bad as I thought. However the e5200 is still a good bit better at stock and OCs much better. Here is a chart that benchmarks them at stock speeds;
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
e5200 @ 2.5 = 1,572
7750 @ 2.7 = 1,444
The typical OC on the 7750 seems to be 3.0-3.1 while the e5200 can do 3.3-3.5 on stock cooling(close to 4ghz if you want to invest in a decent cooler.) So an e5200 is superior while clocked 200mhz slower and can OC to clock 200-500 mhz higher than the 7750.
Also the 7750(or any black edition) does not come with a cooler while the e5200 does so that'll save you $20-30 right there.
January 15, 2009 9:28:27 PM

Thanks for the advice but I still am going with the AMD chip because with everything the AMD is a cheaper build...but thanks for the advice!....
January 15, 2009 10:00:18 PM

Changed the build...again.... look at it again. 8 messages above ^
January 15, 2009 10:40:10 PM

micahjamesmesser said:
Thanks for the advice but I still am going with the AMD chip because with everything the AMD is a cheaper build...but thanks for the advice!....


Eh, it's not though. The amd chip is $80, the e5200 is $82. I linked you decent motherboard to go with it for $80 while the amd one you are interested in is $100. If you are willing to spend that much there are a lot of nice p45 boards to choose from. Plus you'll need a cooler for the 7750, thats $20-30. All the other parts are independent of the processor/mb.
I can understand favoring AMD. I've always bought AMD until my last build and it's nice to support the underdog but when you are working with a small budget like this you really should go for the best parts at the best price. The e5200 is about 10% better at stock and over 25% better if you plan on using a modest overclock. Plus you'll be spending $25-45 more on the AMD build. On a $400 budget it means having to cut corners elsewhere just so you can use a significantly weaker processor. Doesn't make sense imo.
January 15, 2009 11:33:55 PM

well it is for me... I am fine with a 250Gb HD and mine case is fine so is my PSU and Video Card and MOBO(changed it look again at the message above you) I have done modifications to it....I added all of the stuff you suggested and it was over $400 like by $50....send me the links again and maybe it will be lower now.
January 16, 2009 4:03:32 PM

The FPS power supply you listed is decent so if you were planning on a video card that requires a 6 pin PCI-E connector, such as the 4830 or above, then it would be a good choice.

As for motherboards, I have a problem with ECS and Biostar. Both are bottom end manufacturers that design their products to be at the lower end of the price range as well as the lower end of the quality range. There are hundreds of components on a motherboard that are picked by the manufacturer. If their goal is to save money then they can use cheaper, lower quality, components that could have an impact on the longevity and stability of all the parts of your system. Rather than spending $50-$60 on a motherboard you really should be looking in the $70-$80 range. Something from Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Foxconn are all good choices. Asrock started as a subsidiary of Asus designed to market toward the lower end but recently have been releasing products designed more toward the high end and I would also stay away from Jetway.

Something like this looks like a good board and, I think, would be a good choice. You could also save a litte money by going with a mATX motherboard. You might loose a few features and a little expandability but you're planning on a single slot video card so, other than that, how much expandability will you need?
January 16, 2009 5:36:53 PM

micahjamesmesser said:
well it is for me... I am fine with a 250Gb HD and mine case is fine so is my PSU and Video Card and MOBO(changed it look again at the message above you) I have done modifications to it....I added all of the stuff you suggested and it was over $400 like by $50....send me the links again and maybe it will be lower now.


What does "it is for you" even mean? Newegg doesn't change their prices based on who's buying it.
I said it straight out in my last post, the e5200 is $82 and the 7750 is $80. The e5200 comes with a fan while the 7750 does not. Apparently you have picked out a $37 cooler. You've picked out a motherboard that's $86 + shipping(usually $9) while I linked you to a p45 motherboard that was $80 with free shipping. Let me say this again, ALL the other components are entirely independent of what cpu/motherboard you pick out so everything else is not an issue.
So the AMD set-up you've picked out(cpu + mb + cooler) is $212 while the e5200 set-up is $162. You are spending $50 extra, over 10% of your budget, in order to use an significantly inferior processor.
With this extra money you can easily double your ram(gotta do this no matter what, its crazy not to) double your hard drive size and get the HD4830 which is about 50% better than the HD4670. In the end you'll be spending the same and have a much, much better system in almost every aspect.
January 16, 2009 6:46:03 PM

e5200 - $82 with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

ASRock P45TS P45 Motherboard - $80 with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157135

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800 - $40 - $5(promo code EMCABBDBG) = $35 with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122

Seagate Barracuda 500GB HD - $65 - $5(promo code EMCABBGCG) = $60 with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148377

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4830 512MB - $100 - $10 mail-in rebate = $90 with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102803

Antec earthwatts EA430 430W PSU - $40 with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371006

Total $397 - $10 mail-in rebate = $387 NO shipping

This leaves out the case.
Everything without the case on the last build you posted totaled $373 after the $10 rebate but there's shipping on the motherboard, the memory, the PSU and the videocard. All that shipping is probably about $20.
So you can get a much better CPU, twice the ram, twice the HD space, a much better video card and a better power supply and be spending less money after shipping.
BTW with shipping that case is going to cost close to $50. If you want to try to stay closer to the $400 budget I recommend this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811121004
Not the best brand but I'm sure it could power this build fine. Taking out the PSU and adding that makes the total for what I am suggesting $417 with no shipping after the $10 rebate.
January 16, 2009 9:20:06 PM

I am sorry but what you posted no change I only used what you put on there and it is $477.93....Don't ask me why but it is.
January 16, 2009 9:24:04 PM

ausch 30: Does the PSU have a PCI-E x 16 2.0 power connector?
January 17, 2009 12:38:24 AM

micahjamesmesser said:
ausch 30: Does the PSU have a PCI-E x 16 2.0 power connector?

No it doesn't, but with the video card you chose, you don't need one. Keep in mind that $400 is a tight budget and you're going to have to make some sacrifices. I would say that it wouldn't be a bad idea to spend an extra $20 on a PSU that could allow you to have a little upgradeability with a PCI-E 6 pin connector or two but it would be a better idea to raise your budget $20 rather than sacrificing another component to get it.
January 17, 2009 12:44:30 AM

micahjamesmesser said:
I am sorry but what you posted no change I only used what you put on there and it is $477.93....Don't ask me why but it is.

I think that when you were adding things to your cart you might have had some other things in there already, that's why you got the $477. jyjjy's build is good and I personally think you would be better off with something along those lines but you seem determined so I put mine together with your original choices in mind.
January 17, 2009 1:28:23 PM

I did it over again and the cart was completely cleared before I did it and it was $404 without shipping and rebates.
January 17, 2009 1:29:56 PM

and the problem with that is NO CASE. I need a case! unless a old Acer Entra (the original Entra) I think its a mini tower.
January 17, 2009 2:39:35 PM

To the op, noticed at one point you picked out an ECS board which are not the best known, but if you want to go that cheap, may look at this board too for 55.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

from 82 reviews it has 4 of 5, so can't be all bad. Also, sacrifice a little on hd space, maybe go to a 320 gb or 250 gb drive. That should be plenty for now, then add another later. Then you should be able to afford a budget case.
January 17, 2009 2:48:00 PM

That $404 you got is correct. However you did not apply the two promo codes which drops it $10 and with the mail-in rebate that brings it down to $384.
I DID suggest a case. Did you read my whole message? I suggested one with a (supposedly) 585w power supply built-in for $70. Removing the $40 PSU and adding that case makes the total after you apply the promo codes is $424. There is no shipping on anything I picked out so that is the total. After the $10 rebate that comes to $414. The last build you posted was probably about $440 with shipping and the rebate taken into account.
January 17, 2009 4:01:02 PM

How do you get the promo codes?
January 17, 2009 4:41:41 PM

If you sign up for the neweggs mailing list they send them to you.
Or you can find them here;
http://www.dealigg.com/story-NewEgg-coupons-NewEgg-com-coupon-code
I think sometimes they won't let you use them unless your account is signed up for the newegg mailing but that's simple to do and can be canceled after ordering if you want.
January 18, 2009 12:49:09 PM

Ok thanks alot!! really thanks! Now I think I am ready to buy.
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